Our so called Fast Bowlers

[Adi_91]

This has happened far too many times and it has happened today. With such a bowling attack like ours, can we realistically expect winning matches abroad in Eng, SA, Aus and NZ?

 

They don't bowl to a plan, come under pressure when the opposition batsmen starts attacking. Isn't it time that we start accepting that without good bowlers, we will struggle outside the SC, even be it against a weak WI?

[zen]

I don't rate Ind team that highly esp overseas. The team has to learn to grind it out in the middle overseas

 

I have not watched day 5 live but it appears as if despite have a lead of 300, Ind did not have enough men in the catching position 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

A lot to do with the slow pitch but i would like to see how they are groomed over next 1.5 yr under kumble and whoever the next bowling coach would be.

But we need to find a few wkt taking bowler like shami who asks question of every ball not like ishant who balls random stuff

 

 

Edited August 3, 2016 by Ankit_sharma03

[fineleg]

To be very frank - I am surprised that in the last one or two years, our bowlers have done well in Tests (relatively speaking). I expected far worse. We are a very weak bowling attack, so to win even what we have done in last 2 years is indeed better than expected, and most of it is due to one or two bowlers doing well.

[Bleed-Blue]

You can blame poor captaincy but bowlers need to take responsibilty aswell, set there own fields etc.

 

When the going gets tough the tough get going and thats what seperates the good bowlers from the great ones. Even in these tough circumstances,a great bowler would have found a way of getting wickets and this is what india lack.

[express bowling]

On an easy paced pitch, the batsmen were getting sufficient time to play the ball even if there was some seam movement or spin.

 

The only way to take the pitch out of the equation---- bowl some reverse swinging yorkers at pace but that was not done.

[Bleed-Blue]

Jadeja would have made the difference replacing the toothless Mishra.

[Tibarn]

We as fans can accept this, but it's up to the captain and management to make the decisions. Over the last two tests, based on their statements, Kohli-Kumble have clearly determined that they see Ishant and Shami as our main two pace bowlers and Ashwin as our main spinner. Mishra, Jadeja, Yadav, and any new players may go in and out of the playing 11 based on the pitch/match.

 

Here are their averages by country:

Ishant 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/236779.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

Shami

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/481896.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

Ashwin

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/26421.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

We have seen both Ishant and Shami play in every non-Asian country. Ashwin has played everywhere except NZ. However, we have seen Ashwin improve his bowling recently, so I am optimistic about his improvement during our next out of Asia tour. Ishant and Shami haven't really looked any different over the last few seasons. If these two stay as our main pace bowlers, then we are expecting that their performance will improve with Kohli's more attacking field placings. Other than field placings or a new bowling coach, there isn't much a captain/coach can influence if we follow the same selections.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, Bleed-Blue said:

You can blame poor captaincy but bowlers need to take responsibilty aswell, set there own fields etc.

 

When the going gets tough the tough get going and thats what seperates the good bowlers from the great ones. Even in these tough circumstances,a great bowler would have found a way of getting wickets and this is what india lack.

Not really even great bowlers have seen such situations

Kumble- mohali test and few other test as well.

[Bleed-Blue]

20 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Not really even great bowlers have seen such situations

Kumble- mohali test and few other test as well.

Yh sometimes it happens but happens to often with these bowlers.

 

A great bowlers would have worked these batsmen over and got the team out in the course of the day.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Bleed-Blue

[The Realist]

When you have your so-called spearhead more interested in jumping from buildings than taking wickets it is unrealistic to have any great expectations of actually fielding a decent bowling attack...

 

[Adi_91]

1 hour ago, rett said:

I don't rate Ind team that highly esp overseas. The team has to learn to grind it out in the middle overseas

 

I have not watched day 5 live but it appears as if despite have a lead of 300, Ind did not have enough men in the catching position 

 

 

Not just belief, I think they themselves lack the belief that they can win the match for their team. 

 

This happened in 2014 during the NZ tour when we managed to draw the test after having taken a sizable lead and then let Mccullum score 300+ in the second innings to save the test. Similar bowling attack and the same result. The simple point is, bowlers not bowling consistently well enough in the same test.

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

A lot to do with the slow pitch but i would like to see how they are groomed over next 1.5 yr under kumble and whoever the next bowling coach would be.

But we need to find a few wkt taking bowler like shami who asks question of every ball not like ishant who balls random stuff

 

 

I really don't understand how Ishant is still in the team, let alone be the leader of the pack. In fact, Ashwin has done enough to claim that from him.

[Adi_91]

1 hour ago, fineleg said:

To be very frank - I am surprised that in the last one or two years, our bowlers have done well in Tests (relatively speaking). I expected far worse. We are a very weak bowling attack, so to win even what we have done in last 2 years is indeed better than expected, and most of it is due to one or two bowlers doing well.

Dare I say Ashwin covering up for these guys?

[Adi_91]

59 minutes ago, Bleed-Blue said:

You can blame poor captaincy but bowlers need to take responsibilty aswell, set there own fields etc.

 

When the going gets tough the tough get going and thats what seperates the good bowlers from the great ones. Even in these tough circumstances,a great bowler would have found a way of getting wickets and this is what india lack.

Both MSD and Kohli are having the same trouble of these bowlers. I don't blame Kohli for what happened today as well. He gave them a lot of respect in the first session when he kept Ashwin away from bowling which may have well turned the game on its head.

[Adi_91]

28 minutes ago, Bleed-Blue said:

Yh sometimes it happens but happens to often with these bowlers.

 

A great bowlers would have worked these batsmen over and got the team out in the course of the day.

Especially Ishant was terrible to watch in the last session, bowling short and wide and asking the batsmen to hit. Terrible.

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Adi_91 said:

Both MSD and Kohli are having the same trouble of these bowlers. I don't blame Kohli for what happened today as well. He gave them a lot of respect in the first session when he kept Ashwin away from bowling which may have well turned the game on its head.

What did Ashwin do after that? 

[Lala]

I think India should be satisfied with the results as a draw, if WI made 200 target it would have been tough to chase.

Well Played Both Teams!!!

 

[Adi_91]

46 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

What did Ashwin do after that? 

Nothing, but initially we should have attacked with Ashwin.

[Mosher]

It is the whole bowling team failure and not just the fast bowlers. Mishra bowled poorly. The worst I have seen him bowl recently. Ishant and Umesh failed to pick up wickets when the ball was reversing. Ashwin and Shami are our best bowlers but they too struggled in the 2nd innings. But we have too remember the same bowlers did well in the 1st test and everyone chipped in with wickets. Hope they will bounce back in the next match. We also have to give credit to the WI batsmen. Blackwood, Chase and Dowrich batted brilliantly to pull this off.

Edited August 4, 2016 by Mosher

[MechEng]

6 hours ago, The Realist said:

When you have your so-called spearhead more interested in jumping from buildings than taking wickets it is unrealistic to have any great expectations of actually fielding a decent bowling attack...