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mishra Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Asim said:

^ and that piece you consider as "Pak establishment"? :cantstop:

Comments were from Pakistani people. And u can see up voting too. Unlike other news sites dawn do moderates the comments.

 

Read the story properly, It says

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Following is the text of the conversation between PM Nawaz and Trump, as released by government's Press Information Department (PID).

Anyone and everyone becomes "true friend" of Pakistani establishment as soon as he says something which can be interpreted as he may agree to listen in future about Pakistan and Kashmir.:laugh1:

 

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49 minutes ago, mishra said:

Comments were from Pakistani people. And u can see up voting too. Unlike other news sites dawn do moderates the comments.

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and that thing is Pak establishment?

mishra Grand Master

mishra

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18 minutes ago, Asim said:

and that thing is Pak establishment?

Second part in my answer was about Pakistani establishment. Unless they deliberately tried to take a mickey of Trump, there was absolutely no need for government's Press Information Department (PID) to release verbatim statement of a courtesy call.

 

Vilander Veteran

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9 hours ago, Asim said:

 

:phehe: u think so?

 

Main points here were instead:

i. kind of loose-cannon trump is!

ii. how dumb it was was from Pak to quote him word by word...

Finally we agree on something Asim.

kosingh Proficient

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Trust Pakistan to champion an Islamophobe. 

 

Although India is unlucky to have Pakistan as a neighbor, there is some comfort in the fact that their administration is rarely smart.

Mariyam Grand Master

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Its a sub continent thing. We need approval from the Americans/ West. I do not understand the roots behind this deep psychological malaise. We lap up all praise that comes from the West and at the same time when ever there is a hint of criticism the West is suddenly decadent/ imperial/ scheming etc.

 

Why do we find the need to impress them so much?

Muloghonto Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

Its a sub continent thing. We need approval from the Americans/ West. I do not understand the roots behind this deep psychological malaise. We lap up all praise that comes from the West and at the same time when ever there is a hint of criticism the West is suddenly decadent/ imperial/ scheming etc.

 

Why do we find the need to impress them so much?

Not just subcontinental thing, its a world thing. Because the west has been the biggest driver of human development for the last 500 years than rest of human history put together. Its the same thing as if you are a budding physicist, you'd run your idea by Einstein if you could and see how he reacts- coz he is the superstar and you are a nobody. 
The way modern life works,99% of things that make modern life possible is western invention. So they are the superstars in the room, we are all wannabe nobodies. 


Atleast we are not as bad as the Chinese, who change their names just to impress the western folks. In places like Vancouver or San Fransisco, where there are significant chinese populations, you will meet more Chinese Steve/Suzy/April/Mike/Judy etc. than white people. Or completely copying a white wedding. Not just the suit-n-tie and white gown business, right down to the organ music & in a church, even when the people getting married are not Christian!! 

 

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Mariyam Grand Master

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@ Mulo I was talking about it more from a psychological POV. The massive inferiority Complex that is ingrained into us. Even when we do well, it is always in contrast to the West.

Take for instance Mangalyan. What should we be celebrating? The success of our scientists. The stories of their sacrifices and hard work. What did we end up celebrating instead: Oh this is 1/10 as cheap as NASAs project. Did you know that India got it right the 1st time and the Americans/Soviets needed 5 tries. etc. 

If one were to do a recall test , I'd wager that 95% of those celebrating Mangalyan couldn't name a single scientist associated with the program. But everyone would rattle off numbers on how Mangalyan is better than the others. The source of our pride is no longer based on achievement. The main source of the pride is via a faulty comparison process which stems from a parvenu inferiority complex.

 

Take your example too, about the Chinese. "We aren't that bad, so we shouldn't bother that much. At least the Chinese are worse off than us in aping/looking to the West in every wake of life" .

 

I couldn't have made my point better.

velu Grand Master

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On 12/2/2016 at 9:56 PM, KeyboardWarrior said:

NS and Trump ..... both deserves each other. 

no..

pakistan and usa deserves ns and trump :giggle:

 

coffee_rules Grand Master

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On 12/4/2016 at 0:25 PM, Mariyam said:

@ Mulo I was talking about it more from a psychological POV. The massive inferiority Complex that is ingrained into us. Even when we do well, it is always in contrast to the West.

Take for instance Mangalyan. What should we be celebrating? The success of our scientists. The stories of their sacrifices and hard work. What did we end up celebrating instead: Oh this is 1/10 as cheap as NASAs project. Did you know that India got it right the 1st time and the Americans/Soviets needed 5 tries. etc. 

If one were to do a recall test , I'd wager that 95% of those celebrating Mangalyan couldn't name a single scientist associated with the program. But everyone would rattle off numbers on how Mangalyan is better than the others. The source of our pride is no longer based on achievement. The main source of the pride is via a faulty comparison process which stems from a parvenu inferiority complex.

 

Take your example too, about the Chinese. "We aren't that bad, so we shouldn't bother that much. At least the Chinese are worse off than us in aping/looking to the West in every wake of life" .

 

I couldn't have made my point better.

It is not a feeling of inferiority, but insecurity. We all (at a personal level) aspire to be better at something, if not, we at least, take solace in the fact that we did something better than others.

Vilander Veteran

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On 12/3/2016 at 1:21 PM, Mariyam said:

Its a sub continent thing. We need approval from the Americans/ West. I do not understand the roots behind this deep psychological malaise. We lap up all praise that comes from the West and at the same time when ever there is a hint of criticism the West is suddenly decadent/ imperial/ scheming etc.

 

Why do we find the need to impress them so much?

nope sorry India does not need US approval. Its a pak thing basically. Ind and pak are totally different.

Vilander Veteran

Vilander

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On 12/3/2016 at 2:34 PM, Muloghonto said:

Not just subcontinental thing, its a world thing. Because the west has been the biggest driver of human development for the last 500 years than rest of human history put together. Its the same thing as if you are a budding physicist, you'd run your idea by Einstein if you could and see how he reacts- coz he is the superstar and you are a nobody. 
The way modern life works,99% of things that make modern life possible is western invention. So they are the superstars in the room, we are all wannabe nobodies. 


Atleast we are not as bad as the Chinese, who change their names just to impress the western folks. In places like Vancouver or San Fransisco, where there are significant chinese populations, you will meet more Chinese Steve/Suzy/April/Mike/Judy etc. than white people. Or completely copying a white wedding. Not just the suit-n-tie and white gown business, right down to the organ music & in a church, even when the people getting married are not Christian!! 

 

I see it as them assimilating, they retain some good aspects of their culture, the English first name is pretentious but other ones are merely assimilation which is good.

velu Grand Master

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On 12/4/2016 at 1:04 AM, Muloghonto said:

Not just subcontinental thing, its a world thing. Because the west has been the biggest driver of human development for the last 500 years than rest of human history put together. Its the same thing as if you are a budding physicist, you'd run your idea by Einstein if you could and see how he reacts- coz he is the superstar and you are a nobody. 
The way modern life works,99% of things that make modern life possible is western invention. So they are the superstars in the room, we are all wannabe nobodies. 


Atleast we are not as bad as the Chinese, who change their names just to impress the western folks. In places like Vancouver or San Fransisco, where there are significant chinese populations, you will meet more Chinese Steve/Suzy/April/Mike/Judy etc. than white people. Or completely copying a white wedding. Not just the suit-n-tie and white gown business, right down to the organ music & in a church, even when the people getting married are not Christian!! 

 

its same with koreans and they do this in korea itself

Asim Newbie

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On 12/2/2016 at 8:13 PM, Vilander said:

Finally we agree on something Asim.

Yeah Finally....!!!

 

 

but wait

7 hours ago, Vilander said:

nope sorry India does not need US approval. Its a pak thing basically. Ind and pak are totally different.

 

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