Straight Drive Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 21 hours ago, King Tendulkar said: Would we ever fast track someone like this ? Or do we desire 5 years of trundling in ranji accumulating meaningless stats before being picked Tom actually played for Middlesex seconds team. I have never known Indian bowler being so fast tracked. Actually we do not have seconds team concept at all like in England. Where we score though is that we have lot of domestic tourneys as compared to that in England. Link to comment
ShebbySB Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 22 hours ago, fineleg said: ^ Is he on average - 135-140 or 130-135 - that can make a difference. (Hope he is not 127-132 Bhuvi like speed) 135-140ks I reckon. Link to comment
ShebbySB Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Is Aniket around 6'3-6'4? Link to comment
ShebbySB Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 17 hours ago, renjith said: I would replace bk with ankit rajput. He is the best uncapped quickie imo. Not even in the A squad.But ya he has tremendous potential..I rate him highly. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, Straight Drive said: Tom actually played for Middlesex seconds team. I have never known Indian bowler being so fast tracked. Actually we do not have seconds team concept at all like in England. Where we score though is that we have lot of domestic tourneys as compared to that in England. We do have second teams and they are called u25, u23. Likes of Khalil, Avesh have been playing for U23 as they didn't make main squads. Even when he doesn't play for main squad play U23. Edited February 7, 2017 by rkt.india Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 8 hours ago, ShebbySB said: Is Aniket around 6'3-6'4? Yes ShebbySB 1 Link to comment
gakgupta Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 15 hours ago, express bowling said: What we are finding among most Indian fast bowlers these days is that their stock balls are quite quick and usually hover within 2 k to 3 k of their fastest ball of a spell. We have seen this with Shami, Umesh, Bumrah and Ishant. Srinath had the same quality too. Another issue is the ability to bowl that sudden faster ball.....something that Zaheer pointed out after he lost a bit of pace during his last 2 years. He said that " nowadays i cannot bowl 137 k + consistently and, what I do is bowl some deliveries at around 132 / 133 k and suddenly bowl one at 138 k / 139 k with almost the same action and it surprises the batsman " . For pacers who are not consistently quick, this ability helps and I found thatr interview an interesting read. The ability to get more-than-normal bounce off length or just short of it, is often the difference between a good international pacer and an ordinary one. The reason why I want pacers like Nathu Singh and Basil Thampi to be introduced in our pool of pacers and the new kid being discussed, Aniket Choudhary, has this ability too. ( While guys like Dinda, Mohit, Vinay etc. did not have this ability and they failed dutifully ). Another interesting issue here ( which was being partially discussed by Nasser Hussain in our last test series vs. England ) is the greater effectiveness of skiddy fast bowlers with some extra pace in the sub-continent in comparison to the tall bouncy fast bowlers. My personal observation is that those skiddy fast bowlers, who have the ability to get some balls to bounce higher-than-normal from length or just short of it, and some to skid-on along a lower trajectory, are the ones who succeed the most in India nowadays ( like Shami ). It basically ends up surprising batsmen much more than just skiddy fast bowlers or just bouncy fast bowlers. The great Malcolm Marshall had the same quality. We need to look for more such bowlers to partner Shami..... and Thampi and Nathu are again 2 such names.....while pacers like Ishant, Aniket, Rajpoot etc. would be more the consistent bouncy variety to add variation to our pace attack in Asia and lead the attack on bouncier tracks outside Asia. yes...ankeit chowdary has that ability.......he being tall helps him even more.... Shami has developed that ball from WI tour and he is rewarded plenty tweaker and express bowling 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, gakgupta said: yes...ankeit chowdary has that ability.......he being tall helps him even more.... Shami has developed that ball from WI tour and he is rewarded plenty Shami, Ishant, Pandya, Aaron, Nathu, Thampi, Aniket, Ankit, Warrier....all have this ability of getting extra bounce from some length or just short of length deliveries. They should form our fast bowler pool. Umesh, despite being very fast, is not very good at this....and this partially explains his less than expected success at international level. He has improved this aspect in the last series against England though. tweaker, Mosher and Rightarmfast 3 Link to comment
speedheat Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Guys guys guys guys why are we even discussing this thread??? Selectors will troll us by picking dindu, vinnu, arvind, mithun, lol Mosher 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Shami, Ishant, Pandya, Aaron, Nathu, Thampi, Aniket, Ankit, Warrier....all have this ability of getting extra bounce from some length or just short of length deliveries. They should form our fast bowler pool. Umesh, despite being very fast, is not very good at this....and this partially explains his less than expected success at international level. He has improved this aspect in the last series against England though. But I feel, out of most of them, Umesh if given confidence and chance, will succeed the most. Mosher and rahulrulezz 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: But I feel, out of most of them, Umesh if given confidence and chance, will succeed the most. Now that he has started to get some bounce, I feel Umesh's wicket count in tests may go up suddenly if he is able to maintain his new-found accuracy tweaker, rahulrulezz, Mosher and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, express bowling said: Now that he has started to get some bounce, I feel Umesh's wicket count in tests may go up suddenly if he is able to maintain his new-found accuracy With Umesh the only thing i have been wondering in recent times why has he stopped using that sliging arm action with old for reverse swing that he used against Sa in 4th and somewhat against Wi in 1st.....post that i dnt think he used that ploy. Mosher and tweaker 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: With Umesh the only thing i have been wondering in recent times why has he stopped using that sliging arm action with old for reverse swing that he used against Sa in 4th and somewhat against Wi in 1st.....post that i dnt think he used that ploy. Yes....Umesh bowling slightly wide of the crease with a somewhat slightly action made it difficult for the batsmen to play him Mosher 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, express bowling said: Yes....Umesh bowling slightly wide of the crease with a somewhat slightly action made it difficult for the batsmen to play him Yup he isnt even using the crease much.......who asked him to stop doing what was working for him. Reverse swing becomes more lethal with a slingy action specially at his pace, had he used those ploy in past few test his wkt tally wud hve been diff. Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Pollack Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I rate Indian prospects in this order: 1.Nathu Singh 2.Ankit Rajput 3.Aniket Choudhary 4.Avesh khan 5.Shardul thakur Sran is skillfull but not sure about his fitness and pace.Pawan Suyal and Sanghwan don't rate them much. Did not watch thampi and warrior much so no comments. SUMO 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, Pollack said: I rate Indian prospects in this order: 1.Nathu Singh 2.Ankit Rajput 3.Aniket Choudhary 4.Avesh khan 5.Shardul thakur Sran is skillfull but not sure about his fitness and pace.Pawan Suyal and Sanghwan don't rate them much. Did not watch thampi and warrior much so no comments. U shud see Thampi's videos then , ur list wud change afterwards ShebbySB and maniac 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 On 2/6/2017 at 7:52 AM, rkt.india said: Strength training doesn't help in increasing pace much. It helps you sustain that pace for longer periods. Pace comes from your run-up and bowling action. Strength doesn't translate into pace all the time. i have heard people say its the delivery stride, and the non bowling arm positioning. Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Pollack said: I rate Indian prospects in this order: 1.Nathu Singh 2.Ankit Rajput 3.Aniket Choudhary 4.Avesh khan 5.Shardul thakur Sran is skillfull but not sure about his fitness and pace.Pawan Suyal and Sanghwan don't rate them much. Did not watch thampi and warrior much so no comments. there is a thread for Thambi's videos, check that out he will be in your top three after that. Sandeep is pretty good too. express bowling 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thampi is good..Rajput should move higher up the chain..Thakur doesn't have it in him...looks pretty average. Nathu Singh....still reserved on the judgement about him. MCcricket, Ankit_sharma03 and tweaker 3 Link to comment
Late Cut Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I am a Basil fan, after watchng his videos...Man he bowls a heavy ball...it seems to almost explode off the pitch in some cases. sandeep and tweaker 2 Link to comment
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