The Kuldeep Yadav Bowling Analysis Thread

[OpeningBatsman]

Usually we only take 2 spinners on overseas tour and one in playing XI. Would be interesting to see the next test XI 

IMO Ashwin has shown again n again that  on non responsive wickets he becomes cannon fodder, especially when put under pressure.  The excuse that he hasn't played much cricket overseas is chit, because the reason he has not got much chances overseas, is due to his poor performances whenever he did play. 

No doubt, ash has been our greatest match winner at home, but we definitely need to look at more options for overseas. 

Edited March 25, 2017 by OpeningBatsman

[Ankit_sharma03]

Have been screaming before home season started to give him chances

Wanted him to play whole aussie series has aussies did struggle SL chinamen and even shamsi 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Pollack said:

For a wrist spinner half the battle is won if he has control. Can anyone give reasons for his mediocre first class stats. 

He used to bowl too slow and was overweight. This season was very good for him. Also spinners take time to grow and mature. Wrist spin is a very difficult art. 

[Texan]

Kuldeep is a spinner more in the classical mould. He tosses the ball up and tries to deceive batsmen in the flight and has good variations too. I think when we play away, we should seriously consider making him a first choice spinner. The balls to Handscomb and Maxwell were beauties, completely bamboozling them. Great to see a classical wrist spinner and hope he has a long career.

[renjith]

He has good control, loop, dip and reasonable turn. Some of his deliveries were the seam position does not wobble drifts. Some he bowls with a wobbled seam does not drift.

Will be interesting to if kuldeep gets selected ahead of ashwin and jadeja on foreign pitches.

 

I also think kuldeep and chahal can make an attacking spin combo in lois. Both ashwin and jadeja struggles to pick wickets in middle overs in lois.

Edited March 25, 2017 by renjith

[coffee_rules]

bowls a bit full, I thought. 2 steps out, people would get full tosses. But amazing debut, glad he was held back for the clincher

[The Dark Horse]

His bowling is so free flowing, beautiful to watch.

[gakgupta]

2 hours ago, Pollack said:

For a wrist spinner half the battle is won if he has control. Can anyone give reasons for his mediocre first class stats. 

He was too slow for a wrist spinner....Only in the last season, he worked on his fitness which in-turn helped him to increase his speed and more importantly zip of the surface....

 

I still think, he has to work in this aspect....he is a work-in-progress....

 

After couple of matches, he will be worked out by the batsmen......

 

so, it's very important that he continue to work on the most important aspect of wrist spinner ...."ZIP OF THE SURFACE"

 

 

[gakgupta]

50 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

bowls a bit full, I thought. 2 steps out, people would get full tosses. But amazing debut, glad he was held back for the clincher

he is getting wonderful dip.....so it's not as easy as you think.....

[gakgupta]

1 hour ago, OpeningBatsman said:

Usually we only take 2 spinners on overseas tour and one in playing XI. Would be interesting to see the next test XI 

IMO Ashwin has shown again n again that  on non responsive wickets he becomes cannon fodder, especially when put under pressure.  The excuse that he hasn't played much cricket overseas is chit, because the reason he has not got much chances overseas, is due to his poor performances whenever he did play. 

No doubt, ash has been our greatest match winner at home, but we definitely need to look at more options for overseas. 

One good match for kuldeep doesn't mean anything.....

 

However, if he works hard, he can be potent weapon outside ASIA

[Mosher]

Good article by Aakash Chopra on Kuldeep's bowling. He explains why Kuldeep bowls a much fuller length compared to the other spinners.

 

At the outset, there are two things that work in his favour - his short stature, which allows him natural dip. Taller bowlers find it difficult to create the parabola loop and therefore, have to work really hard to get the ball to dip on the batsman. Some of Kuldeep's deliveries land a touch shorter than where the batsman expects them to fall. The other key difference is his unique angle from over the stumps. He forces right-handed batsmen to open their stance - to take care of the blind spot outside the leg stump - and that in turn is testing the batsman's footwork more. Now, they have to plant the foot a little straighter and play inside the line for deliveries pitching within the stumps, and yet be mindful that they don't go too straight as some might hold the line and go across with the angle. Also, there's a demand to have a bigger front-foot stride going across to the ones that pitch a little wider outside off.

 

 

David Warner

While facing Kuldeep, batsmen often misread full balls for short ones, like David Warner. Since the trajectory is quite low, you mistake normal falls for faster and shorter deliveries. He went back to a ball that was too full and too close to cut. My coach Tarak Sinha would tell us to avoid playing an attacking shot when an error - misreading the line or length - is committed. That would add to the first mistake, and batting doesn't let two errors go unpunished. Kuldeep's biggest strength on the first day was the cluster he created, which highlighted that he bowled a lot fuller than any other spinner in the series. Bowling it full forced the batsmen to play offensive shots, thereby creating possibilities of committing errors. Also, his length took the flat nature of the pitch out of equation, for he was no longer reliant on a positive response from the pitch to create doubts. Kuldeep has two different legbreak deliveries; the one that dismissed Warner was bowled with the seam going across the pitch.

 

 

Kuldeep Yadav's pitch map in the first innings © ESPNcricinfo Ltd

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2016-17/content/story/1088469.html

Edited March 25, 2017 by Mosher

[OpeningBatsman]

2 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

One good match for kuldeep doesn't mean anything.....

 

However, if he works hard, he can be potent weapon outside ASIA

I didn't say Kuldeep is gonna be the next warne. However, we need to look for other options as well rather than just hoping Ashwin will win us matches overseas too.

Not just Kuldeep.

Edited March 25, 2017 by OpeningBatsman

[vayuu1]

Looked like an average chinaman to me. Haven't seen anything special in him to be honest. He'll get carted around when his novelty factor will wear off. 

Nah, for avg spinner he has excellent control over his line and length atleast he doesn't give long hops,the good thing about him is he turns the ball both ways and has a good Flipper as well, he has got a good slider as well, he isn't a mystery spinner with unorthodox action, his basics are right, so he will do well.

 

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[Sandeep99]

2 hours ago, Pollack said:

For a wrist spinner half the battle is won if he has control. Can anyone give reasons for his mediocre first class stats. 

Manjrekar was saying Kuldeep used to bowl very slow in u19 and starting days of first class. Then he worked and increased his pace a little and that helped..

[Pollack]

23 minutes ago, gakgupta said:

He was too slow for a wrist spinner....Only in the last season, he worked on his fitness which in-turn helped him to increase his speed and more importantly zip of the surface....

 

I still think, he has to work in this aspect....he is a work-in-progress....

 

After couple of matches, he will be worked out by the batsmen......

 

so, it's very important that he continue to work on the most important aspect of wrist spinner ...."ZIP OF THE SURFACE"

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said:

Manjrekar was saying Kuldeep used to bowl very slow in u19 and starting days of first class. Then he worked and increased his pace a little and that helped..

Thanks 

[MK55]

Looked impressive. Has got good control with not many loose deliveries. Was able to turn the ball when Ashwin couldnt. This made his wronguns dangerous as batters were playing for that big turn

Only thing that he needs to work upon  is his pace. Batters may exploit that aspect and would start coming down the wicket. Heard that he used to bowl much slower before. Good that he's improved. Would want further improvement.

 

[BeautifulGame]

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It  wasn't a wicket-taking ball, but it was one of the best deliveries Kuldeep Yadav bowled on his first day as a Test cricketer in Dharamsala. It hovered above Matthew Wade's eyeline, drawing him forward, making him believe he could get close to the pitch of the ball and drive. Once it reached the apogee of its flight, the ball began descending steeply, and landed a few inches short of Wade's expectations.

 

It made Wade stretch and reach out in front of his body, and still he didn't meet it on the half-volley. It ripped away off the pitch and beat the outside edge.

 

When teams select spinners of unusual styles, they often do it because of the mystery. Late last year in Adelaide, South Africa handed Tabraiz Shamsi a Test debut largely because they thought the pink ball and floodlights would make his left-arm wristspin harder to pick out of the hand and off the seam. He played that one Test, since which South Africa have reverted to the left-arm orthodox of Keshav Maharaj.

 

Kuldeep, like Shamsi, is a left-arm wristspinner who can be hard to pick out of the hand. Glenn Maxwell found that out in the worst way possible when he was squared up and bowled off the thigh pad while playing down the wrong line of a googly. Wade later said he had found it difficult to read Kuldeep as well, when he was new to the crease.

 

"Yeah it took a couple of balls to get used to it. He bowled a lot of different deliveries. He bowled a lot of legspinners with a scrambled seam and then his wrong'un was scrambled seam as well, so it took a few balls to get used to it. But once you stayed out there for a little while, you got a read on him."

Kuldeep's bowling on Saturday, though, wasn't all about mystery. It wasn't even primarily about mystery. Take, for instance, that ball to Wade. It had beaten the batsman even before it landed. It had beaten him in the air.

 

The same was the case with the ball he bowled to dismiss Peter Handscomb - it hung enticingly in the air, drifting wider and wider, all that width tempting the batsman into a drive away from the body.

 

The wicket of Pat Cummins? Classic legspinner caught-and-bowled against left-handed batsman, except in the mirror. No mystery here, just flight and dip and turn.

 

This was the first day of the Test match, and the HPCA Stadium pitch was unlike the pitches at the three previous venues of this series. There were no footmarks to exploit just yet, little help by way of up-and-down bounce, and only a few cracks to disturb the equanimity of an otherwise firm surface. This wasn't yet a surface for India's fingerspinners to thrive on.

 

Wristspinners, though, tend to extract a decent amount of turn and bounce from harder pitches. In that sense, India's decision to go with a third spinner, and to pick Kuldeep rather than the offspinner Jayant Yadav, was thoroughly sound.

 

Wristspinners, however, can also be erratic, and when Kuldeep came on for the first time, with lunch just minutes away, India couldn't afford erratic. Australia were 120 for 1 and already going at more than four an over.

 

Kuldeep had learned the evening before that he was part of India's 12-man shortlist, and on the morning of the match that he would be playing. He was replacing India's captain in a swap that wasn't like for like. He was the extra bowler playing at the expense of a sixth specialist batsman, and he would have to justify not just his inclusion but the change in the team's composition as well. Given Australia's situation when he came on, Kuldeep had to be on the money straightaway.

 

"We planned about the next session during lunch time," Kuldeep later said. "The plan was to not give them more than 70 to 80 runs. Not much [was discussed] about number of wickets we intended to take. Obviously if you are giving away only 80 runs you are bound to get wickets. followed plans as per team management's demands."

 

He certainly seemed to. Kuldeep did not bowl a full toss - apart from when Shaun Marsh or Handscomb stepped out and met his deliveries on the full - or a long-hop all day, and when he did err, it was almost always on the fuller side.

 

His pitch map, in the end, didn't look a whole lot different to Ravindra Jadeja's in terms of length, just a broader spread, consistent with the greater margin for error afforded to a bigger turner of the ball. In terms of line, though, it was even more stump-to-stump, reflecting his predominantly left-arm over angle to the right-hand batsmen, which allowed him to land both his stock ball and his googly in roughly the same area.

 

This presented Australia's batsmen a problem they hadn't faced all series. Two kinds of deliveries, turning in opposite directions from roughly the same area, one threatening the inside edge and the other the outside edge, both of which could conceivably hit their stumps.

 

All through the series, Australia's batsmen have spoken about playing for the one that attacks the inside edge and threatens lbw and bowled, and not worrying too much if their outside edge was beaten. They could do that with Jadeja. They could do that with R Ashwin. Those two had to produce an absolute peach to beat the outside edge and still hit the stumps. With Kuldeep, it was a little different.

 

It made for an excellent package: consistent lines and lengths, deceptive trajectory, turn in both directions. For Kuldeep to put it all together demanded a great deal of composure - he was playing on a stage he had never been part of before - and belief in his own ability. He certainly seemed like a man full of confidence at the end of the day's play, during his first press conference as a Test cricketer.

 

He referenced his dismissal of David Warner when asked about his interactions with Shane Warne.

 

"Did you see the first wicket?" Kuldeep asked. "That wasn't a chinaman. It was a flipper which I learnt from Shane Warne.

 

"So learning from Warne and then dismissing one of his [Australia's] players is great. My idol was Warne and I have followed him since childhood. I still watch his videos and it was a dream come true when I met him. I couldn't believe I was speaking to my idol and sharing my thoughts on bowling and what all I should be doing.

 

"I did exactly what he told me to do. He has promised that he will have another session with me in the near future."[/b]

 

Was that wicket really a flipper? Flippers tend to go straight on and skid, staying a touch lower than expected. Warner was instead defeated by extra bounce. It would be just like Warne, though, to call a non-flipper a flipper and make batsmen hurry back to the video analyst.

 

When asked about bowling to Steven Smith, who made his third hundred of the series on Saturday, Kuldeep was matter-of-fact.

 

"Actually, I was bowling to Smith for the first time, and I didn't have any difficulty as he wasn't playing any shots against me," he said. "Maybe he didn't want to take any chance against me and was depending on singles. Maybe since wickets were falling at the other end, he was being cautious.

 

"I was never nervous against Smith. From childhood I have been told that a spinner should take wickets even if he gets hit. My theory remains the same."

 

Then someone asked him which of his wickets he prized the most.

 

"All four are precious but the first one was very special. The next two [Handscomb and Maxwell] were satisfying, as I got them exactly how I had visualised their dismissals."

 

He surely cannot have visualised bowling Handscomb through the gate or squaring up Maxwell with a googly. Maybe he did. Or maybe it was all just kidology, something he picked up from all the Warne videos he has watched. We may yet come to see and hear more of it from this confident young leggie in the mirror.

 

 

Another really good article on Cricinfo

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/1088481.html

 

 

Edited March 25, 2017 by BeautifulGame

[gakgupta]

33 minutes ago, Prince_ said:

 

Let me tell u the main reason. It's pretty simple. He's Just not good enough. Unlike aussies who r sitting ducks against spin, Indian domestic players r pretty decent against  spin and the wickets where the first class matches r played aren't usually tailor made for the spinners either. 

 

 

 

Don't see him doing well in overseas conditions. Might start struggling at home too after 10/15 games. 

he did really well in the last season....

[Sidhoni]

What brilliant variety he provides to our spin attack btw. SLA, offie and chinaman.

 

I hope someday one of Mishra/Chahal plays with them in a quartet. Most varied attack ever

Edited March 25, 2017 by Sidhoni

[Sandeep99]

I hope selectors select Bhuvi, Bumrah, Shami, Chahal, Jadeja, Umesh, and Kuldeep for CT.. dynamic bowling attack with lot of options to choose from..