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http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2001/jul/30bat10.htm

 

Wisden rated Bradman's 270 at top and Laxman's innings at no 6.

 

1. Don Bradman
270 for Australia v England at Melbourne in 1936-37. 

2. Brian Lara
153* for West Indies v Australia at Bridgetown in 1998-99

3. Graham Gooch
154* for England v West Indies at Headingley in 1991.

4. Ian Botham
149* for England v Australia at Headingley in 1981

5. Don Bradman
299* for Australia v South Africa at Adelaide in 1931-32.

6. VVS Laxman
281 for India v Australia at Calcutta in 2000-01 

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ODI list by Wisden

 

1 IVA Richards 189* WI v Eng, Old Trafford, 1984 257.6
2 RT Ponting 140* Aust v India, Jo'burg, 2002-03 252.5 
3 IVA Richards 138* WI v Eng, Lord's, 1979 245.8
4 ST Jayasuriya 189 SL v India, Sharjah, 2000-01 245.3 
5 Kapil Dev 175* India v Zim, Tunbridge Wells, 1983 241.9 
6 Saeed Anwar 194 Pak v India, Chennai, 1996-97 225.6 
7 DI Gower 158 Eng v NZ, Brisbane, 1982-83 219.8
8 BC Lara 169 WI v SL, Sharjah, 1995-96 215.2
9 PA de Silva 107* SL v Aust, Lahore, 1995-96 212.9
10 CH Lloyd 102 WI v Aust, Lord's, 1975 209.8
11 BC Lara 153 WI v Pak, Sharjah, 1993-94 204.5
12 IVA Richards 181 WI v SL, Karachi, 1987-88 203.1 
13 BC Lara 146* WI v NZ, Port-of-Spain, 1995-96 202.9 
14 SP Fleming 146* NZ v SA, Johannesburg, 2002-03 202.3 
15 ST Jayasuriya 151* SL v India, Mumbai, 1996-97 201.1 
16 PA de Silva 134 SL v Pak, Sharjah, 1996-97 201.0 
17 A Symonds 143* Aust v Pak, Johannesburg, 2002-03 200.6 
18 ME Waugh 173 Aust v WI, Melbourne, 2000-01 200.1 
19 RL Powell 124 WI v India, Singapore, 1999-2000 199.5 
20 SR Waugh 120* Aust v SA, Headingley, 1999 199.2

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To put the Kapil knock into perspective, Kapil scored 175 and the next best score was 24 . Kapil's strike rate was 127 and the next best SR for India was 45.And all this coming after 4 for 9 in more or less knock out match in world cup.

It's not only best innings in ODIs (by Indian atleast ) but one of the most  the best superman / single handedly winning innings ever in any sport.

 

Easily one of the most underrated sporting performances ever particularly if you take into account the lasting impact ,the knock and subsequent world cup win , it has had on Indian cricket and even India as a country.

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1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

ODI list by Wisden

 

1 IVA Richards 189* WI v Eng, Old Trafford, 1984 257.6
2 RT Ponting 140* Aust v India, Jo'burg, 2002-03 252.5 
3 IVA Richards 138* WI v Eng, Lord's, 1979 245.8
4 ST Jayasuriya 189 SL v India, Sharjah, 2000-01 245.3 
5 Kapil Dev 175* India v Zim, Tunbridge Wells, 1983 241.9 
6 Saeed Anwar 194 Pak v India, Chennai, 1996-97 225.6 
7 DI Gower 158 Eng v NZ, Brisbane, 1982-83 219.8
8 BC Lara 169 WI v SL, Sharjah, 1995-96 215.2
9 PA de Silva 107* SL v Aust, Lahore, 1995-96 212.9
10 CH Lloyd 102 WI v Aust, Lord's, 1975 209.8
11 BC Lara 153 WI v Pak, Sharjah, 1993-94 204.5
12 IVA Richards 181 WI v SL, Karachi, 1987-88 203.1 
13 BC Lara 146* WI v NZ, Port-of-Spain, 1995-96 202.9 
14 SP Fleming 146* NZ v SA, Johannesburg, 2002-03 202.3 
15 ST Jayasuriya 151* SL v India, Mumbai, 1996-97 201.1 
16 PA de Silva 134 SL v Pak, Sharjah, 1996-97 201.0 
17 A Symonds 143* Aust v Pak, Johannesburg, 2002-03 200.6 
18 ME Waugh 173 Aust v WI, Melbourne, 2000-01 200.1 
19 RL Powell 124 WI v India, Singapore, 1999-2000 199.5 
20 SR Waugh 120* Aust v SA, Headingley, 1999 199.2

I feel Jayasuriya and Anwar's innings at 4 & 6 were on feather beds against very weak bowling lineup from India, not sure of they ought to appear that high, surprised that only one Indian figures in the list surely Sachin's desert storm could have  been included on the list

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4 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

281 vs Australia , VVS Laxman in tests

175 vs Zimbabwe , Kapil Dev in ODIs 

70(30) vs Australia , Yuvraj Singh in T20s

 

Didn't think off it earlier but genuinely amazing .And I can't even think of Laxman or Kapil's knock being bettered anytime soon.

 

 

In t20 - kohli knock against Aus in 2016 was the best for me 

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4 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

281 vs Australia , VVS Laxman in tests

175 vs Zimbabwe , Kapil Dev in ODIs 

70(30) vs Australia , Yuvraj Singh in T20s

 

Didn't think off it earlier but genuinely amazing .And I can't even think of Laxman or Kapil's knock being bettered anytime soon.

 

 

La la la la la Land, coz of their DNA

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5 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

281 vs Australia , VVS Laxman in tests

175 vs Zimbabwe , Kapil Dev in ODIs 

70(30) vs Australia , Yuvraj Singh in T20s

 

Didn't think off it earlier but genuinely amazing .And I can't even think of Laxman or Kapil's knock being bettered anytime soon.

 

 

VVS's 281 and Kapil's 175 I agree. In T20s, I would put Samuels' 78 in the 2012 T20 WC final as the best. Very clutch innings in a very difficult match situation. 

 

 

 

 

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I agree Laxman's knock is right up there, perhaps even the best.

 

Consider this though....

 

Everything in previous post can be said of Dravid's 180. Where do we rank that innings?

 

In real time, the game was far from won upon the completion of Laxman's knock. 

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2 hours ago, sarchasm said:

VVSs' 281 is indisputably the best and ticks all the boxes.

 

His team was trailing in the series.

 

His team was following on.

 

Against an ATG team at the very peak of its powers.

 

Against a team that was on a record run of consecutive won matches.

 

Against a conceivably most well rounded ATG attack ever assembled.

 

Given the above, I don't need Wisden to handhold me about best test innings ever played. I know it and saw it live (on tv).

Exactly. I dont want anyone telling me either what the best is. Wisden has a bias and I could care less. What makes Laxman so special was that Australians were the best. They thought they had the game in hand. Laxman had different plans then them. Scoring against all odds against Australian line up is a treat for everyone. Laxman did not surprise me as he was doing that in Ranji all the time. In a culture of hero worship in India laxman has never been treated fairly. I still get goosebumps thinking about it. Absolutely the best.

 

laxman - Best ever 

 

Daylight

 

 

rest of knocks.

 

Nothing even comes close. Nothing.

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6 minutes ago, gharampaani said:

This is a subjective list, as any list of this nature will be. Obviously Indians will mainly say yes but I can think of many innings that are comparable or better. 

 

In terms of t20s, HUsseys knock against Pakistan in the semi final 2010 was the greatest. It may never be matched. Australia had lost crucial wickets, Hussey was up against the best bowlers in the tournament and the team needed 50 or 60 runs in about 5 overs. It must also be remembered that Pakistan were world champs, arguably the best t20 side on the planet and in fine form. 

 

In ODIs and Tests the sample size is too large so will require a bit more thought. 

it must also be remembered that best t20 side on the planet lost 3 matches against Aus,NZ and Eng and still somehow came to semis on back of victory against SA and were fluking their way towards a win against arguably the best side in that tournament but you hardly know your facts 

anyways i concur with you that was one hell of a knock by hussey,that look on the face of waqar was lolworthy 

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On 10/21/2017 at 4:50 AM, Trichromatic said:

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2001/jul/30bat10.htm

 

Wisden rated Bradman's 270 at top and Laxman's innings at no 6.

 

1. Don Bradman
270 for Australia v England at Melbourne in 1936-37. 

2. Brian Lara
153* for West Indies v Australia at Bridgetown in 1998-99

3. Graham Gooch
154* for England v West Indies at Headingley in 1991.

4. Ian Botham
149* for England v Australia at Headingley in 1981

5. Don Bradman
299* for Australia v South Africa at Adelaide in 1931-32.

6. VVS Laxman
281 for India v Australia at Calcutta in 2000-01 

Thanks for that but Wisden should be renamed to Bradman.  Knock by Lara and Laxman should be in top 2. Lara's knock standout as it was against the best away and his side was falling like pin. Its not that he didnt took the game to opposition. Its just that rest of his team mates were no better than lower league players compared to Aussie side.

 

In case of Laxman, there was Dravid but imo situation was exactly the same, Indian were on backfoot against one of the strongest opposition in Test History and target was lot bigger. Dravid himself is one of the best test batsman of his time. So he too wasnt a pushover and had he played alongside lara in Bridgetown he would have supported better than windies team.

 

Hence like for like difficulty/challenge wise, I will say either of two inning are comparable and can be classed as best ever test knock. Rest all in that list is standard Wisden Bullshit.

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59 minutes ago, gharampaani said:

Losing a match to Australia (eventual finalists) and England (eventual winners) does not change Pakistans role coming into the tournament. They were still one of the best sides, as I said, champions and not too long removed from one of the longest win streaks in t20 cricket. The point still stands. And Hussey pulled it off against the likes of Amir, Ajmal, Afridi and co, one of the bets bowling line ups in t20...and chasing one of the highest scores of the tournament.

 

I understand it makes you jealous that Pakistan have a better record in t20 tournaments than India and reached the KO stage of every tournament from 2007-2012, whereas India has only reached the KO stage twice since the inauguration of the mighty Inditva IPL lol 

whatever floats your boat

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On 10/21/2017 at 1:18 PM, Khota said:

Exactly. I dont want anyone telling me either what the best is. Wisden has a bias and I could care less. What makes Laxman so special was that Australians were the best. They thought they had the game in hand. Laxman had different plans then them. Scoring against all odds against Australian line up is a treat for everyone. Laxman did not surprise me as he was doing that in Ranji all the time. In a culture of hero worship in India laxman has never been treated fairly. I still get goosebumps thinking about it. Absolutely the best.

 

laxman - Best ever 

 

Daylight

 

 

rest of knocks.

 

Nothing even comes close. Nothing.

I think it was one of the most watched/followed inning. Even English fans were genuinely following Supporting Laxman. One of the David vs Goliath moments of cricketing history.

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