Leave Sachin, Is kohli even better than Yuvraj as a match winner?

[Sujithmb13]

Yuvi has won the game for India against Australia in CT,qf against Australia .Also he was the best player in a WC.What has kohli done in ICC odi tournaments?

Edited July 11, 2019 by Sujithmb13

[Real McCoy]

Not a chance. He had a chance to redeem himself yesterday with a modest score to chase but he failed to do it at pressure situations. Yuvi is one of the clutch performers in those world cups you mentioned. Kohli is a bilateral ODI king that loses it in crunch situations in tournament cricket. Sachin may not have succeeded in world cups in high pressure matches but he showed his commitment and determination to stay at the crease. Sachin wouldn't have played around the ball to a regular inwinger from a leftie. Its not a technical thing with Kohli. Its more mental.

 

And Sachin was good in tournament finals other than world cups. He played at an era where triangular tournaments was still watched across the world and he didnt have the team to back him. Yuvi played in an era where we had the batsmen but not enough bowlers. We relied heavily on Zaheer and Harbhajan. But Kohli failed with all resources at his disposal. He had Shami and he chose not to play him. Shami was deadly in the NZ tour earlier this year. He not only chokes as a player but also as a captain. Still hurting with the loss yesterday

[haiwan]

kohli is going to go down from here. So don't expect any better. Maybe he would play a significant innings in his last world cup's semi-final or final in 2027.

Edited July 11, 2019 by haiwan

[New guy]

4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Not a chance. He had a chance to redeem himself yesterday with a modest score to chase but he failed to do it at pressure situations. Yuvi is one of the clutch performers in those world cups you mentioned. Kohli is a bilateral ODI king that loses it in crunch situations in tournament cricket. Sachin may not have succeeded in world cups in high pressure matches but he showed his commitment and determination to stay at the crease. Sachin wouldn't have played around the ball to a regular inwinger from a leftie. Its not a technical thing with Kohli. Its more mental.

 

And Sachin was good in tournament finals other than world cups. He played at an era where triangular tournaments was still watched across the world and he didnt have the team to back him. Yuvi played in an era where we had the batsmen but not enough bowlers. We relied heavily on Zaheer and Harbhajan. But Kohli failed with all resources at his disposal. He had Shami and he chose not to play him. Shami was deadly in the NZ tour earlier this year. He not only chokes as a player but also as a captain. Still hurting with the loss yesterday

Also sachin helped win the 2011 semis and the 2003 semis

Edited July 11, 2019 by New guy

[Real McCoy]

3 minutes ago, New guy said:

Also sachin helped win the 2011 semis and the 2003 semis

2003 semis was against Kenya I know you are a Sachin fan but if you are trying to make this a big deal, I will point out the other details. Sorry. He scored a sedate 80 runs I believe and Ganguly was the one who scored at a brisk pace for a 100. We scored 270 runs and the bowlers came to the party and bowled the Kenyans out.

2011 semis was a choke job with multiple drops and Sehwag, Raina and the bowlers rescuing us. They won the match and Sachin collected the MoM in the end. But he did try to hang in there I'll give him that. Was still more determined than the sh1t show yesterday. Both innings was not his achievement alone just as many of you point Dhoni was not the only one who contributed in the 2011 finals.

[Sujithmb13]

23 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Not a chance. He had a chance to redeem himself yesterday with a modest score to chase but he failed to do it at pressure situations. Yuvi is one of the clutch performers in those world cups you mentioned. Kohli is a bilateral ODI king that loses it in crunch situations in tournament cricket. Sachin may not have succeeded in world cups in high pressure matches but he showed his commitment and determination to stay at the crease. Sachin wouldn't have played around the ball to a regular inwinger from a leftie. Its not a technical thing with Kohli. Its more mental.

 

And Sachin was good in tournament finals other than world cups. He played at an era where triangular tournaments was still watched across the world and he didnt have the team to back him. Yuvi played in an era where we had the batsmen but not enough bowlers. We relied heavily on Zaheer and Harbhajan. But Kohli failed with all resources at his disposal. He had Shami and he chose not to play him. Shami was deadly in the NZ tour earlier this year. He not only chokes as a player but also as a captain. Still hurting with the loss yesterday

Also remember Yuvi gave the balance to the team with his bowling . It was a team of superstars but if Yuvi the bowler didn't click we would have been done

Edited July 11, 2019 by Sujithmb13

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Yes he is. Just not in ICC 50-over knockout games. 

[Nikola]

Kohli still has time to improve his game in knockout matches. He will easily play 2 more worldcups and few more icc events. We can only compare this when he will retire from international cricket.

[nevada]

No

[Stan AF]

32 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

2003 semis was against Kenya I know you are a Sachin fan but if you are trying to make this a big deal, I will point out the other details. Sorry. He scored a sedate 80 runs I believe and Ganguly was the one who scored at a brisk pace for a 100. We scored 270 runs and the bowlers came to the party and bowled the Kenyans out.

2011 semis was a choke job with multiple drops and Sehwag, Raina and the bowlers rescuing us. They won the match and Sachin collected the MoM in the end. But he did try to hang in there I'll give him that. Was still more determined than the sh1t show yesterday. Both innings was not his achievement alone just as many of you point Dhoni was not the only one who contributed in the 2011 finals.

So what dude??. Do you think any runs come easy??.

 

BTW what was dhoni doing yesterday huh??  While jadeja was making all the hard and difficult runs dhoni ate up all the balls and dragged it till the end. he was single handedly the reason why we lost yesterday. Except dhoni moronic fans in this forum everyone saw this coming from a mile away.

[R!TTER]

Dhongi fanatics & Brat fans always need to drown their sorrow in BUT BUT Sach even after so many years of his retirement, just goes to show where he is & where these fakers are 

[VT87]

To hell with this janta@@ ,don't care lunatic but man,  we lost a golden opportunity to win a wc

[mishra]

A player is remembered by trophies and his contributions in winning the trophy. Stats , strike rate , centuries, wickets, rpo, are for PR machinery and stupid fans.

Kohli has two gaping weaknesses against new ball bowlers A ball on leg stump or off leg stump, he can NOT keep it down. A ball on 5th stump, He cant keep it down. Both these weknesses are real issue why he is sitting ducks in front of left arm pacers as most of their deliveries are on that line.

 

Against spin, Less said is better. This is real cause of his failure in big games where bowlers, captains and fielders do turn up and bowl exactly according to plan.

 

As a opposition. who would you see really like . Do you want someone like impeccable Yuvi or fancy your chances against statsguru Kohli?

Its a matter of choice but I will rather bowl to Kohli

Edited July 11, 2019 by mishra

[Ajju]

Pls dont compare with sachin sehwag yuvi gambo

 

virat is hashim amla range player

[asterix]

The funny thing is, I had fully expected Kohli and his team to "lose" either in Semis or Finals... I was prepared for it... Kohli and his team has mastered the art of losing KOs/Finals... Probably they thought better not to lose in Finals as that'd have been too much to handle...

[Tendulkar1996]

Tendulkar was very good in triangular knockouts which were the rage back then.He was good in world cup knockouts.

 

96 QF - Good start of 30 off vs pak.

96 semis - 65 and then run out unfortunate.Whole team collapses to 126 after him.

 

2003 semis - 80 odd.

2003 final - Impossible target against one of the best bowling attacks of all time.

 

2011 QF - crucial 54 in crunch chase vs australia.

2011 semi - Crucial 85

2011 Final - failure

 

This added to 3 man of the match awards win vs pakistan in world cups,and that innings at centurion in a quasi knockout match.

 

Yuvraj was a great ODI player.Kohli still not there despite his godly stats.Because he doesnt get out after any runs.He just bombs it with a below 10 score.

[R!TTER]

SRT's record is 4/7 in WC KO, as good as any. Only one who has arguably a better record is Gilly IIRC, even Ponting had more failures in WC KO than decent knocks & he batted first in most of them.

[rtmohanlal]

Kohli has 4 'very good' to 'great' category inns  in ICC tournament  knockout matches. So he has been a match winner   by ordinary standards.. It is by his own standards that he has been a  bit off.

[rtmohanlal]

34 minutes ago, Tendulkar1996 said:

Tendulkar was very good in triangular knockouts which were the rage back then.He was good in world cup knockouts.

 

96 QF - Good start of 30 off vs pak.

96 semis - 65 and then run out unfortunate.Whole team collapses to 126 after him.

 

2003 semis - 80 odd.

2003 final - Impossible target against one of the best bowling attacks of all time.

 

2011 QF - crucial 54 in crunch chase vs australia.

2011 semi - Crucial 85

2011 Final - failure

 

This added to 3 man of the match awards win vs pakistan in world cups,and that innings at centurion in a quasi knockout match.

 

Yuvraj was a great ODI player.Kohli still not there despite his godly stats.Because he doesnt get out after any runs.He just bombs it with a below 10 score.

Still SRT better to Kohli as of now. But, if triangular knockouts can be holed in such high esteem why can't champions trophy knock outs be? So Kohli has done ok  by normal standards

[R!TTER]

Those are all ICC tourney's or just the WC? Also one of them was chasing a low score against Bangers in 2017, sure you can count it but then he was cleaned up twice in the finals!