Manny_Pacquiao Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 This was news to me. I had no idea that muslim extremism was this strong in UP, or in indian politics: https://openthemagazine.com/features/the-muslim-rage/ Quote The anti-CAA protestors were clearly sending out signals that they would flex their religious muscle in consonance with their political muscle. This was evident from the placards and slogans— these were mainly about the scrapping of Article 370, the ban on instant Triple Talaq and the division of Jammu and Kashmir. The Muslim community was no longer willing to indulge in tactical voting to help parties like the Congress and its allies but seemed to have come into its own as political actors with agency. The rallying cry of the anti-CAA protestors in India continues to be “Say it in the tear gas/ la ilaha ilallah” and “Tera mera rishta kya? La ilaha ilallah”, similar to the slogans chanted by protesters in Iran and Kashmir when stone-pelters take over. Such slogans have been in use in Pakistan since the days of Zia-ul-Haq. Here too, the signals are becoming louder and clearer. The largest minority community in India is hardening its political position based on the community identity rather than a national identity. The contours of the anti-CAA stir highlight the possibility that the time may have passed when coalitions could be carved out, as part of tactical alliances, among Muslims, Jats, Jatavs and Yadavs. The failure of the Dalit-OBC-Muslim coalitions as a means of increasing electoral and political heft was evident in the results of the last Assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh. Its shelf life now appears over. The Muslim community’s assertion is nothing new. In 1971, when India splintered Pakistan after capturing Lt General AAK Niazi, the commander of the Pakistani troops in East Pakistan, there was an outburst in the Muslim streets of northern India. Indira Gandhi had made her political point that the individuals involved in the Pathan general’s surrender surrender were a Parsi, a Sikh and a Jew. Niazi surrendered to Lt General Jagjit Singh Aurora, a Sikh; Major General JFR Jacob, a Jew, was in charge of the operation; and the Indian Army was headed by Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw, a Parsi. Lucknow-based religious scholar Ali Miyan Nadvi went to the extent of telling his audience in Pakistan: “We cried when you lost.” The Muslim community’s anger against Indira Gandhi for the cleaving of Pakistan into two separate entities shattered the dream of a homeland governed, ruled and committed along the lines of the first five prophets. But this anger did not make any difference to Indira Gandhi’s political prospects. In the Assembly polls held after the war (she had won the Lok Sabha elections before the war), the Congress swept on the strength of her image as Ma Durga. In 1977, the community sided with the Janata Party and the Shahi Imam addressed a Ram Lila Maidan meeting. But the community wanted to teach the Congress a lesson and in 1980 it went with Charan Singh. In Uttar Pradesh, the Dalit Mazdoor Kisan Party made handsome gains in minority-dominated seats at the expense of the Congress. Going by the current indicators, the terms of political and electoral give-and-take by the Muslim electorate countrywide are set to be radically transformed for the coming elections. The Muslim mood clearly shows that the community will only do business with parties ready to give it the biggest share of seats. This is a sign that should worry the ‘secular’ parties that have been hoping to keep Muslims on as their captive vote banks. I have no problems with this approach, by the way: as i have always believed muslims are victims of discrimination in India. muslims have alienated themselves at the behest of "secular" parties and should become more of an independent voting bloc, rather then a branch within the larger, hindu-communist-dominated secularist tree. political islam has a future in india, and should be the only option for muslims going forward. this not only helps the BJP strengthen it's position - which is good for india as a whole - but it forces opposition parties to work harder for the muslim vote. muslims shouldn't be allowed to remain the destitute, poverty-stricken community that they are...they should put a higher price on their vote. best way to do that, is by talking about azaadi, and maybe even rioting every once in a while. the sight of rioting muslims always helps the BJP win votes. encouraging muslim extremists also helps expose the absurdity of the muslim identity to ordinary muslims. there is a faction of muslims - a minority - who are willing to abandon the extremism and possibly even convert out of the religion. remember, the BJP doubled its vote share within the muslim population. we're also seeing muslims picking up the indian flag and re-asserting their 'indian' identity, which is a positive change, even if it is an act. my only question is, when india inevitably goes to war against pakistan - most likely to capture PoK --> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/pok-part-of-india-hope-to-have-jurisdiction-over-it-one-day-jaishankar/articleshow/71169271.cms which side will the muslim community take? 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panther Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Up Muslims also helped Abdali at panipat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, panther said: Up Muslims also helped Abdali at panipat. And we are converting them back from pedophile prophet religion. 20 more years of yogi and mission will be complete.ghazwa e Islam is underway. sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: And we are converting them back from pedophile prophet religion. 20 more years of yogi and mission will be complete.ghazwa e Islam is underway. Don't worry I am actively engaged in 'love jihad'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, panther said: Don't worry I am actively engaged in 'love jihad'. Have you pre-booked your 72 hoors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, panther said: Don't worry I am actively engaged in 'love jihad'. That’s fine. You can love Jihad the 0.1% Hindu Pashtuns. We will ghazwa e Islam the 14% Muslim indians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, panther said: Don't worry I am actively engaged in 'love jihad'. Bachhabazi don't count. Ranvir, sandeep, Muloghonto and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 During 1965 war Azam Khan and his group dug up roads outside Rampur cantonment to hinder movement of army vehicles. What happened? For many years he remained the 2nd most powerful leader in UP. Many powerful elements in Muslim society will take the enemy's side if the opportunity presents itself, India is destined to suffer the same fate as Vijayanagara. This is what Ambedkar had to say, now don't tell me he was an intolerant, fascist Sanghi. Quote Islam is a close corporation and the distinction that it makes between Muslims and non-Muslims is a very real, very positive and very alienating distinction. The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt and enmity. ... In other words, Islam can never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin. That is probably the reason why Maulana Mahomed Ali, a great Indian but a true Muslim, preferred to be buried in Jerusalem rather than in India coffee_rules, Stradlater, sergio04 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gollum said: Many powerful elements in Muslim society will take the enemy's side if the opportunity presents itself, India is destined to suffer the same fate as Vijayanagara. Having said that, if corrective measures are enforced from this moment we can prevent this from happening. As long as army, paramilitary, police, judiciary etc. under the control of dharmics, plus if we course-correct our politics, civil society, cultural avenues and media so that Islamists and urban Naxals are permanantly sidelined there is hope. But be ready for plenty of bloodshed in bordering states and some isolated pockets, no matter how well prepared we are when the Muslim pop touches the critical 30% mark (M/H 1:2 ratio) there will be trouble. Learn from China and Russia, don't become like PC West. Unlike them idiots we are surrounded by enemies who won't waste the opportunity to hasten our implosion. Do you think Assam will be controllable in 2061 when it is set to become a M-majority state? By then Bengal M-pop will be close to (if not more than) 40%, so good luck with that, hope I am dead by then. Edited March 16, 2020 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) Don't buy the poverty/rich/HDI angle. In Nigeria demography battle is precariously placed, 41% Muslims and rising (worlwide phenomenon, backed by facts, if snowflakes want to pretend otherwise I couldn't care less)...elite Muslims from North funded and aided the rise of Boko Haram to gain political leverage. Look at North Kerala today, a much more financially well off region than most of India, how has it become the hub of radical Islam? Don't blame everything on the Gulf, if someone wants to get radicalized, he/she will. Enough room in Holy Quran to mass produce extremists/terrorists, thread binds Russia, China, India, Israel, Philippines, Nigeria, Kenya, West....either all kafirs are at fault or......? Likewise waiting for the day when some JSR or Maa Kali shouting guy starts blowing up places in Pak, Afg, BD, Gulf, Malaysia as revenge for persecution but even there Muslims have taken it a step further, they have carried out bomb blasts in India as revenge for what Myanmarese army allegedly did to foreign Muslims in another country...India isn't the only example which begs the question, does fault lie with all kafirs or.....? Pakistan Movement was spearheaded by those who stayed back. I don't understand how to trust those who voted overwhelmingly in favor of Muslim League in 1946. What has changed in these last 70 odd years? Wounds are deep (since advent of Islam in SC), has something dramatic happened that we should forget history (largest genocide ever)? One Muslim majority state and the only instance of forced exodus, can KPs ever return, anything similar ever happened in Hindu majority states? Why should we trust the Muslim community? There are other minorities in India, Christians too have origin from outside SC and sure they can be annoying at times with their deceitful proselytization but I am 100% sure they won't backstab India in favor of some Christian country. Never heard any Christian take pride in the rule of European colonizers just because they happen to share religious rituals and scriptures. Never seen any Christian support some other country over India because of shared religion. Onus is on Muslims to prove us wrong and I'll be glad if that happens. They aren't on the right track, CAA related violence makes that much clear. Edited March 16, 2020 by Gollum sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javier26 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 A simple thought. If theres a chance of Muslims in Pakistan and India getting united to overthrow the Secular government and impose Sharia Law in India, do you think Muslims in India would let go of such an opportunity and would rather fight along with Hindus to defend the Secular Status of India and resist Sharia ? Lol that sounds so weird and absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 UP Muslims should had been thrown out of India after partition.they were biggest culprits of partition. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First class Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 The way Muslims are treated in India, what else you expect from them. Norman and Clarke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, First class said: The way Muslims are treated in India, what else you expect from them. They are forced fed Dal and vegetables, they banned beef, because it boost testosterone, otherwise Muslims In India would have reestablished the Mughal empire. Norman, Clarke, Stradlater and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 29 minutes ago, Singh bling said: UP Muslims should had been thrown out of India after partition.they were biggest culprits of partition. It has also given leaders like Arif Mohammed Khan, Syed Shahabuddin , but also like Azam Khan and sAbu Azmi. Pakistan bana lakhnavi Urdu bolne wale nawabon se, jaake hukumat kar rahein Punjabi, Pashtun aur Sindhi bachadon pe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, First class said: The way Muslims are treated in India, what else you expect from them. Muslims are treated better in india than all other 57 Muslim countries combined. You jihadis have blasphemy laws. What a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 They really should have been kicked out in 1947. Too much apathy from Hindus at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Reality of Pakistan and 1.4 bil Muslims of the quom, Hasan Nissar sahab ka byan sandeep and Laaloo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manny_Pacquiao Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 12 hours ago, First class said: The way Muslims are treated in India, what else you expect from them. I expect them to leave their religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, javier26 said: A simple thought. If theres a chance of Muslims in Pakistan and India getting united to overthrow the Secular government and impose Sharia Law in India, do you think Muslims in India would let go of such an opportunity and would rather fight along with Hindus to defend the Secular Status of India and resist Sharia ? Lol that sounds so weird and absurd. Don't forget Bangladeshis as well sab saale ek thaali ke chaate baate hai . Edited March 17, 2020 by vayuu1 sergio04 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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