South Africa have the renowned Mr 360, ABDV walking in at #4. Australia, have the option of calling upon the likes of Glenn Maxwell, or even a Chris Lynn. England can send in a Jos Buttler. Come WC 2019, who will India turn to at #4?
Its taken a few years, but by now, even the most casual of cricket fans have realized that ODI cricket has changed a lot since the last time India got its hands on the WC trophy. Apart from the 2 new balls, and slow and steady infusion of T20 batting skills, mindset and expectations - its the shift in powerplay rules that has required batting teams to re-structure their approach towards constructing their innings to make best use of the 300 scoring opportunities that the ODI game offers.
5 out-fielders in the last 10 overs, and 4 in the middle 30 directly translates into smarter teams recognizing the need to shift their risk-taking and acceleration earlier than the historical ODI approach. England, have shown an even more courageous method of utilizing their batting depth by pushing for maximum runs, from ball 1 to right to 300; instead of waiting for the "death" overs to accelerate. Sooner or later, more teams and batsmen are going to start recognizing the benefits of being pro-active in the pursuit of big runs - at least to the team score, if not to the individuals.
So what are the building blocks required to have an ODI batting line-up that can "go big" with the maximum frequency and consistency? Everybody knows the importance of having high quality batsmen in the top 3, guys who can handle pressure, class bowling, an ability to attack as well as set the platform. This is common knowledge since the days when Jayasuriya and Kaluwitharana ran amok at the 1996 World Cup. Or even going back to the pioneering Kiwis and Mark Greatbatch in the 1992 version. A team absolutely needs class at the top of the batting lineup in order to be a contender.
The need for a reliable "finisher" in the middle order - a power hitter who can deliver boundaries when needed, and be more reliable than an Afridian lottery ticket, is also apparent.
But for the 2019 World Cup, this is not going to be enough. Teams are routinely going past 330 with ease, and threatening 400 with increasing frequency. And for a batting line-up to achieve such high watermarks regularly, what they are able to do in the 30 to 40 over phase, starts to matter a lot. You need to have batsmen with a low deliveries per boundary stat, in the #4 and 5 slot. Especially given the likelihood of the tracks for the World cup being on the flatter side.
It is increasingly clear that MS Dhoni is a shadow of the legendary ODI bat he once was and is simply not good enough to create or even sustain momentum at this pivotal slot in the batting line-up. And Rahane may have played a quality innings in the first ODI against SA, but he isn't the answer either. Manish Pandey is another aspirant, but thus far in his career, he's shown himself to be a poor man's Kohli at best - not exactly a power hitter with a high boundary striking abilities. And to be bluntly honest, someone like a Dinesh Karthik never was.
For all of Kedar Jadhav's slingy round-arm cleverness with ball in hand, his batting doesn't inspire too much confidence that he can do consistently deliver the goods, especially away from home. Jadhav's opportunistic placement-driven batting style does offer potential - his skill-set and batting tools could be effective in the middle phase with only 4 fielders operating outside the inner ring. The question whether he can do it against tougher opposition, away from Indian tracks remains unanswered at this point. And the sad reality of Indian team selection is that given his lack of "seniority", he is unlikely to get a proper extended run at the position.
Who then, will Team India turn to, for the all-important #4 slot in the batting order? Given that the rest of the team is stacked with quality and class - on both sides of the ball, the choice of #4 may well end up determining India's fate in WC 2019. Especially given the Indian team think tank's resolute faith in allowing the top 3 batsmen the luxury of pursuing big runs while intentionally sacrificing the opportunity for early momentum.
Phase 1: Test batting till 1910s was underdeveloped and cricket was too much in favor of batsmen. So, 1870s to 1910s have lowest averages, but batting was consistently improving.
Phase 2: Batting improved a lot in Bradman era (1920s-1940s) and this was batsmen dominated phase.
Phase 3: 1950s. Pace bowling started developing from trundlers to faster bowlers and batsmen struggled to manage them. Averages dropped quite significantly with improved quality of bowling on uncovered pitches.
Phase 4: 1960s. Covered pitches came into picture and bowlers had no clue to what to do. Batsmen made merry and it was much better decade of batsmen than previous one.
Phase 5: 1970s-1980s. Balanced time for batsmen and bowlers. Batting averages went up and pacers found their way to get wickets.
Phase 6: 1990s. Toughest era for batting with all teams having good bowlers and batsmen struggling. Batting averages dropped significantly. Averaging 50 became almost impossible.
Phase 7: 2003-2013. Era of FTBs. Many great bowlers retired. Pitch quality improved a lot and we got flat pitches all over the world. Minnows entered the scene with lot of matches. Top 6 team averaged 37 with bat. Great ones averaged above 55 and there were million batsmen averaging 50+. Steyn was only great fast bowler emerging during this phase. Massive FTBs and minnow bashing era.
Phase 8: Post 2013. Teams becoming desperate for home advantage and started preparing spicy pitches everywhere. Bangladesh improved at home and Zimbabwe rarely got matches, so that minnow factor dimnished. So many new pacers and spinners emerging again. Overall batting average since 2013 - 33.10. The way it's decreasing with year, it is easily toughest phase in 1990s.
Ill give them edge over KXIP as they have gambhir as captain and they have all the bases well covered .
If maxwell is in form well that cud put this side head of many and if not then it looses that extra mile
Also Rabadaa shud play seriously as last yr it felt he wasnt giving his 100%
Gr8 for prithvi shaw,kalra n abhishek sharma as he gets to play shami, rabadda, boult everyday in nets and seek help of ponting
whole team can rotate around gambhir n later shankar
Maxwell, Pant n morris thats one heck of firepower
Will start with KXIP 1st
1. Yuvi form can be cruical, if not in form they ll find him hard to drop due to fan base and that cud cost half the tournament
2. They are a new team with new captain so might take time to gel together. It may sound an unimportant factor but its not thats the reason MI n CSK put value on retaining the core. A lot wud depend on Hodge n Ashwin
3. Seems avg in field
4. good bowling but many teams have better
5. Ill play tiwary within few games if yuvi doesnt work, tiwary is also a good fielder and can help ashwin with captaincy
6. Rahul n NAir can bat anywere in top 4 which gives them flexibilty
7. They can always throw gayle and u never knw.
8. akashdeep nath can be a surprise
3. CSK- do not underestimate the team on age factor......very well built squad
1. All bases well covered
2. Have exp players which comes in handy in final stages which is why we have seen young sides like DD or RR struggle to reach playoffs in last stages.
3. Great bunch of spinner which can make them unbeatable at home
4. More then few excellent fielder- Raina, Faf, jadeja, bravo, Raydu, dhoni behind stumps.
5. They have attack for a turning track- they can play bravo, watson n wood/indian pacer as seamers n play the wide range of spinners
6. they also have pacer for a bouncy track - Lungi, wood, asif, thakur, monu
7. watson can open n bat as finisher. If he fails they can get billings or even vijay and have one more overseas bowler
8. Consistent players
9. Lacks firepower in terms of s/r but still can manage 150-180 which is good to win many games and they have the bowling that wnt get them big totals most days.
10. captain has the bowling arsenal he likes to choke teams in middle with help of fielders .
11. Batsman who can bowl full quote or almost 2-3 overs Raina, jadhav, watson, bravo (he is a gun bowler in t20)
12. They shud hope bravo finds some form with bat
13. dhoni with this squad shud adopt a bit of kohli style of horses for courses
1. What a top order, if kohli remains consistent with lower order selection it wont disappoint as well
2. Bowling looks good to specially spin dept with chahal n sundar
3. Kohli captaincy is a weekness but his drive to take team anywere as captain n player is also the strength.
4. Kohli with this squad shud aim for balance n consistency like a dhoni wud do
5. Shud start with kulwant ahead of aniket .
6. Baz can be a help on field and as captain but can they make space for him in team
7. Shud play coulter nile rather going for all indians in bowling which can prove really costly
8. A lot depend on Chinnaswamy's pitch - Waha kumble hai
1. Again heavily dependent on warner
2. Even they have 3 batsman with avg s/r - dhawan, pandey , Saha
3.No one can blaze apart from warner or may be hooda, hence hooda form wud be very crucial
4. Mustafizur was the X-factor when they won i see that lacking
5. Other teams have better keeper batsman
6. lack of good indian spinner can hurt them
their batting is better then SRH but warner i feel is a better captain and has better bowling attack
Starting XI- Tripathi, Rahane, smith, Samson, butler, stokes , gowtham, Archer, unadkat, Gopal/lomor, Saxena/dhawal/anureet
1. A good consistent top order with lot of firepower in lower order . Stokes, butler n gowtham can be the x-factor
2. Very week on spinners
3. If archer fails well their fast bowling also might lack the sting
4. Unadkat on jaipur pitches can become easy to counter.
5. Can struggle on turning tracks and the later stages of IPL can offer many such tracks.
6. Suggestions- go in auction n buy ISH sodhi n look for some domestic spinners
7. also try to add aaron, warrier in terms of domestic pace
1. Shud start with this and if they feel they are week in bowling then can drop duminy n add an overseas bowler
2. Lacks in terms of backups- never a good thin
3. Rahul, akila n anukul - u never knw with these spinners they are young
4. Needs more batsman specially a top player to reduce burden on rohit
5. suggestion - buy amla, root , shaun marsh .....one or two of them depending on pocket left
6. Can add an overseas fast bowler n spinner to like morkel , ish sodhi, Mitch mcgleshan
What were they smoking, spending half the pocket on 4 players only
KKR- Lynn, uthappa, shubhman , rana, karthik, Russell, narine, starc, kuldeep, nagarkotti, Mavi
1. where is the captain- If anything we have learned in IPL is the importance of a good captain. Their options are very unknown
2. Very poor on backups specially in batting
3. with so many issue if ur keeper has a habbit of brain farts......well well well
4. If starc gets injured they are screwed
5. If lynn gets injured , again can become tough
6. fire power in batting but a lot of inconsistent batsman to.
7, No batsman to hold them toghter and their best bet is shubhamn gill, depending on an 18 yr old cant be good
8. shud buy morgan incase things go wrong at start they can make him captain
9. Shud look to add amla n root or marsh (not sure how much pocket is left)
10. Add unmukt n baba- atleast kuch backup hoga
11. start scouting some young talent around.
I remember the year 1989 very well. Gavaskar had retired a couple of years earlier and Kapil had lost pace. We were losing to Pakistan more often than not in ODIs. The 1983 World Cup and 1985 Benson & Hedges Cup twin wins were things of the past. Crickets fans were feeling directionless. Then came the tour to Pakistan , where a baby-faced 16 year old stole the hearts of the entire nation with his brave batting against the Pakistani quicks. Watching cricket was a pleasure once again for Indians ... and this euphoria lasted for more than fifteen years. In the 1990s, when Tendulkar batted, the whole nation " batted " through him.
In 1991, a tall, thin guy, with flailing arms while bowling , burst onto the scene and bowled really quick ... and India had its first genuine fast bowler, Srinath. The year 1996 saw an elegant left-hander score a century on test debut at Lords. This was followed by another century in the next test match. While this was happening, another young man with impeccable technique missed his centuries by a few runs in both those tests. Indian cricket fans were brimming with excitement once again at the emergence of these twin gems.
Be it a wristy Hyderabadi scoring 3 centuries in his first three tests in 1984-85, a bespectacled Kumble taking a 4-fer in in Sharjah in 1991, Zaheer and Yuvraj sparkling in Nairobi in 2000, a dashing Sehwag scoring 105 in South Africa on test debut in 2001 ... these memories will stay with us for ever. More than these moments and memories, every time a special talent emerged, it gave us reasons to watch cricket for the next few years.
No one will forget the dabaang innings of 148, that a long-haired keeper-batsman played in 2005 against Pakistan ... and a new star was born. No matter what one feels today, every Indian cricket fan felt a connection with that young man, which would stay with us till the time he won us the 2011 World Cup as captain.
Then came Kohli, who would go on to become one of the biggest superstars. entertaining us in all three formats with his spectacular batsmanship. Rohit, Rahane, Pujara, Dhawan, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, Umesh, Bumrah, Bhuvi etc. ... all of them inspired interest among certain sections of fans. Seeing a young Shami debut, combining genuine pace with reverse swing to floor the West Indians in 2013, was very exciting. Fast bowling fans just loved it when young Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron bowled at 150 kph.
Sports survive and grow in stature and popularity because of superstars and stars. Thirty-one years have passed but people still talk about and remember Maradona winning the football world cup. Fans need to find a connection with individual players. They are happy when that person does well and sad when he fails. They realize their own sporting dreams through him or her. Cricket is facing competition from other sports in India like never before and needs star players more than ever.
In Indian cricket, we are recently seeing a trend of trying to introduce thirty-plus players as a matter of priority, especially the batters and keepers . Youngsters are getting chances but only when an " elderly " is not good enough or is injured or fails the yo-yo test or rotation policy demands more players. If the current ODI batting line-up makes it to the 2019 World Cup then we will have six batters who are 30+. Dhoni 38, Karthick 34, Jadhav 34, Dhawan 33, Rohit 32, Kohli 30.
I am not suggesting that thirty plus players should all be be dropped or not given fresh chances. But, there should be a mix of experience and youth. Too many youngsters mean lack of experience and too many older players mean lack of new direction and dwindling fan interest. Moreover, there is no point in promoting mediocrity when it comes to selecting fresh players.
We have seen young spinners and all-rounders being introduced and backed though ... and the result is there for all to see. Be it the wrist-spin twins, Kuldeep and Chahal, or the charismatic all-rounder Hardik Pandya, they have given new direction and new energy to our team.
I hope that some talented youngsters are allowed to flourish in the batting, keeping and fast-bowling departments too. If they receive the same backing as the young spinners and all-rounders are getting, they will also do well . KL Rahul, Shreyas Iyer, Rishabh Pant, Prithvi Shaw, Vijay Shankar, Karun Nair, Md. Siraj, Basil Thampi, Avesh Khan, Kamlesh Nagarkoti etc. etc. are waiting.
It never was and and never is about choosing the top performers in domestic cricket or the well known names. It is always about spotting and backing the players who have the potential to achieve something extra at international level from now on.
Shreyas Iyer. Sanju Samson. Rishabh Pant. Karun Nair. Sarfraz Khan. And the latest addition to the mix, chota packet promising to be the next big dhamaka - Prithvi Shaw.
All of these guys seem to have that 'it' factor when it comes to their batting. That certain something that jumps out when you watch them bat - plenty of timing, a plethora of strokes, and a willingness to take the attack to the bowlers. But take a bit of a closer look, and you can start to see telltale signs of inconsistency - a tendency to "live hard or die trying". Given the way the economic and 'popularity' incentives are stacked in favor of "modern" bats who are capable of exciting stroke-play, its not hard to see why the teenyboppers of Indian batting are all out to emulate the ABDVs and Rohit Sharmas of the world, as opposed to the Gavaskars and dare I say, even the great Sachin Tendulkar.
Gone are the days where the domestic circuit prioritized, taught and honed the ability of a young batsman's ability to put a premium price on his wicket. These days, all you hear in terms of "cutting edge conventional wisdom" is the tiresome cliche of "expressing yourself" and "playing your natural game". So widespread is the epidemic in India's young ranks,, that even the normally reticent Rahul Dravid felt compelled to publicly call out some of his wards. An annoyed Dravid was quoted as dismissing all this emphasis on "natural game" as "frustrating". Dravid chose to make his point with an unusually strong choice of words.
Strong words they might be, but I feel that it will be inevitably swamped by the tsunami of $$$$ that has flooded cricket since the inception of the IPL. After all, what will a young Indian cricketer aspire to be, considering the cricket circuit today - Why should he devote his energies to building his skills like say, a Murali Vijay, Che Pujara, or even an Ajinkya Rahane? When a test cricket 'failure' like Rohit Sharma is a multi-millionaire superstar IPL team captain, and gets to be a glory hogging ODI opener for the national team because of his ability to hit sixes?
To some extent, this evolution of incentives and the corresponding evolution in batting is not restricted to India alone. One look at the young batsmen coming through the ranks in England and Australia will show you a markedly 'same-ness' in the ranks. James Vince. Marcus Stoinis. Chris Lynn. Glenn Maxwell.
I wonder where the next Rahul Dravid will come from. Or if he will show up at all. Cricket will be poorer for it, if he doesn't.
No.4 is a pivotal role in ODI lineup,sort of a mid runner in a relay race who takes the baton from the top 3 and passes the baton to so called finishers(i hate this term) to finish the game.In some ways no.4 has to be a player with a finisher mentality himself but he has to be well versed in playing dual role of consolidating and finishing.
Yuvi played the role of no.4 really well for half decade circa 2005-2011 but post that no number 4 has been able to establish himself.Though Pandya batted at no.4 in last 2 ODIs but in the current set up there are lots of players who are vying for that no.4 slot:
Hardik Pandya : He has done a great job in last 2 odis. In the modern ODI setup he seems an ideal no.4 to me as he has shown the ability to take singles according to situation and sixes against spinners are never far away.That he isnt a slogger has been on display in the last 6 months or so and to me he has certainly fortified his credentials to be a regular no.4.But I believe if he is to be the regular no.4,there has to be inclusion of one more more power player in the lineup.
Manish Pandey : His demotion in the last 2 odis must have given him signals that the team management has not been impressed with him.But Pandey to me is someone who needs to time to build up his innings and I dont think he is someone who can be very successful in lower order.He plays all his cricket for KKR at top order and thats where he has been successful as well.So, he is another one who at the moment is playing at a position where he is being disadvantaged and he has himself to blame for that as he failed continuously against NZ last year and then in the 1st ODIs this series.But personally I believe he is someone who needs to be backed,that innings at Sydney always come to mind where he played an ideal innings for a big chase.
Jadhav : Very good player,always likes to aggressive ,sometimes unnecessarily aggressive.What I observed even yesterday about him,he has these pet shots which he plays whether its cut or sweep.I was very disappointed the way he played against Zampa , he got into bad positions and was premeditating too much.Not one of the top contenders for me for sure.
Dhoni: The favorite of many on this forum.He is someone who in many fans thinking is the ideal no.4 at the present with the way he bats these days.The way he takes his own sweet time before getting into groove.Somehow I believe he is good at the position he has scored runs at no.5 recently ,though I was hoping he is sent earlier than when he came in because I wanted to see how he reacts to the situation,his modus operandi etc.There were many who believed he would have taken RRR quite up and made the situation even more difficult.Sadly,even though am his fan I agree with the said notion,because we can only presume what he would have done and too much tuk tuking is exactly what he has done in recent past when there has been a huge target to chase.But even if he is given a chance at no.4 ,its not a bad option to try but he needs to be tested in situation like there was one yesterday.
KL Rahul: Only few bright minds in the team management think Rahul can be a no.4/middle order option,.I ll only hope,this guy's career is not ruined in the process.
Then ,we can throw in a curve ball in Krunal Pandya: I truly believe this guy is a very good batsman,who can play according to situation,street smart and also has the ability to play big shots when needed.Last year I believe he was playing at no.3 for Baroda,which clearly shows he is primarily batsman,who has the ability to build up an innings.
The batting order should be set, keeping in mind that when the situation of 60 runs of 36 balls comes,there should be a player left who is adept at taking side home from that situation.Exhausting all players capable of playing at good pace is also not a bright idea.
Development of Pandya as a cricketer has been a delight to watch.In many ways this guy has completed our side in almost all formats.Hitting ability aside ,the matirity and calmness he has shown in last 6 months exemplifies his development.
Much of Pandya's growth as a cricketer must be attributed to Dhoni at start and largely to Kohli for always backing him in every situation.There were times I thought him playing as a 3rd seamer is a slightly risky option but he has seldom disappointed with the ball in the hand.Going into the champions trophy final I thought he might be the weak link in the bowling but he turned out to be one of the best bowler on the finals day.Subsequently he has taken crucial wickets and now hardly can be treated as a weak link as I presumed he was in this side.Inclusion of variations like knuckle ball is a pleasant sight as well.
Batting has been a revelation.I remember I was not convinced that much after his 50 odd vs Eng at Eden Gardens in January this year , the innings was riddled with edgy shots.But 6-8 months after that,Pandya looks much more calmer, equally destructive against spinners or seamers but he does all that with a plan in mind.Never have I seen a batsman who finds hitting sixes against spinners as easy as this guy and even yesterday when Agar was bowling I knew chakka tou padega hi isko kabhi na kabhi and Pandya didnt disappoint.Now the growth part ,when he miscued one on a flighted loopy delivery, he knew he had committed a mistake and it was great to watch he didnt repeat it and on the contrary changed his modus operandi and hit Agar for a six using his feet.Maturity,calmness and game awareness everything was on display.
Now coming on to the nub of the point I am trying to make,looking at Pandya grow as a cricketer in this regime, a thought came in my mind that Rishabh Pant who I believe is an equally big talent,should be given a chance to become a polished cricketer like Pandya is on course to becoming.As I wrote earlier,Pandya has completed our side in many ways already but if Pant is a given a chance to become a player he has the potential to become ,our limited overs team can be the most dangerous side in the current circuit.We have one maverick in Pandya and there is still scope for one more in our side and Pant is ideal for that.
Now comes some people's apprehension that Pant can only play if Dhoni hangs up his keeping gloves.I dont believe that, Dhoni and Pant both can play,like Healy n Gilly circa 1997.The world cup is still 2 years away and I am desperately hoping Pant is in Kohl's scheme of thing for that tournament because such a talent has to be tapped.