Steve Waugh hits the nail on it's head.

[jf1gp_1]

1 minute ago, ThePhenomenal1 said:

I will always respect the aussies for making the tough decisions. They dropped Steve Waugh who captained the 1999 wc and was a legend, before the 2003 cup. Can’t believe BCCI would do the same thing. Kohli has no guts either.

Semi final you needed a Rahane kind of batsman. During league matches we had 4-5 low scoring games and it was more than evident we needed a solid no 4. Look at how most will jump as soon as you mention rahane in ODIs team. With pant and pandya in XI we could definitely afford a rahane in place of DK.

 

[ExtremeBrainfade]

2 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

Agreed.

 

just my opinion on why they aren’t doing it is, because anyone whose opinion has any weight were hero’s themselves who didn’t recognize their sell by date, hung around too long & either had to slowly sidelined or forced out. They empathize with what’s happening with the current heros.

 

 

The current hero’s are firmly in control at BCCI, why loose on the gravy train by trying to be too honest?

 

 

Not only do they empathize, they perhaps realize that they have no credibility in this matter and would rather not step in it. 

[express bowling]

18 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

No one wants to have a rational discussion. you have two extreme opinions. 

 

Lots of sensible posters on ICF agreed (  say around 3 months before the World Cup )  that although they thought that Dhoni is done and dusted in international cricket, the time to groom a new keeper batsman was gone and he should play the WC.  That seems like a rational viewpoint to me.

 

Playing him in the WC is one thing  ... but effusively praising him, even when he is playing super slowly, is something that is grossly OTT.

[ThePhenomenal1]

31 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Semi final you needed a Rahane kind of batsman. During league matches we had 4-5 low scoring games and it was more than evident we needed a solid no 4. Look at how most will jump as soon as you mention rahane in ODIs team. With pant and pandya in XI we could definitely afford a rahane in place of DK.

 

I was always in favour of manish pandey ever since he won india the game in australia in 2016. The guy is a gutsy player, was wrongly played in t20s and not given a fair run. He would have been good in a small run chase. Rahane is quality but prone to failure when the pressure is on.

[jf1gp_1]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Lots of sensible posters on ICF agreed (  say around 3 months before the World Cup )  that although they thought that Dhoni is done and dusted in international cricket, the time to groom a new keeper batsman was gone and he should play the WC.  That seems like a rational viewpoint to me.

 

Playing him in the WC is one thing  ... but effusively praising him, even when he is playing super slowly, is something that is grossly OTT.

Very well put. That Dhoni was more or less done was evident in CT itself. Ideally grooming should have started back then but we didn't leave much of a choice when we persisted with him. Dhoni today had to be viewed as an exceptional no 8 batsman, guy no 5,6 or 7 can rely on not getting out but won't win you match. 

 

[jf1gp_1]

4 minutes ago, ThePhenomenal1 said:

I was always in favour of manish pandey ever since he won india the game in australia in 2016. The guy is a gutsy player, was wrongly played in t20s and not given a fair run. He would have been good in a small run chase. Rahane is quality but prone to failure when the pressure is on.

Actually Sunny for a long time has been questioning Pandeys exclusion and how unfair selectors have been. 

[ThePhenomenal1]

2 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Actually Sunny for a long time has been questioning Pandeys exclusion and how unfair selectors have been. 

Absolutely. He finished the 5th odi in australia in 2016 when we were losing 4-0 and the previous game we failed to close from an easy position. It was clear he had guts and determination, decent technique but fight. Top fielder as well. But then wrongly added to t20s and miscast.

 

our selectors are terrible and had pandey been backed for even 2 years im sure he would have got results. 

[jf1gp_1]

29 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Lol I find it funny how you make fun of my ifs and buts when you yourself use a if when you said “if we had won”. Of course you would deserve it if you had won. But not every team was gonna let you win by allowing your only two batsmen to score runs. There was bound to be a game where your top order flops. Which happen during the New Zealand game. Nothing “ifs” or “buts” about that. 

 

Oh yes my logic is flawed cause I said a well known fact about your team. And yes I was gonna laugh at you when you compared your current team to this Australian team:

 

 

Clearly no one other than Gilchrist and Hayden can bat in that team. 

So when are you bringing akmal brothers back in playing XI

[goose]

This is an Indian culture issue in my opinion looking in as a Brit. Backed by the money men who deal in brands and certainty of profit.

[Lannister]

28 minutes ago, ThePhenomenal1 said:

I was always in favour of manish pandey ever since he won india the game in australia in 2016. The guy is a gutsy player, was wrongly played in t20s and not given a fair run. He would have been good in a small run chase. Rahane is quality but prone to failure when the pressure is on.

+1. How many players from the current squad have scored a century in Australia? Even **** Karthik was able to make into the WC squad but not Pandey. 

[goose]

2 hours ago, Stuge said:

Casual cricket followers don't see stats or otherwise or follow cricket regularly...They only remembers  91 runs he scored  against SL in 2011.

Not always a bad thing.

[Khota]

Nice article.

[Norman]

1 hour ago, Shaz1 said:

Lol I find it funny how you make fun of my ifs and buts when you yourself use a if when you said “if we had won”. Of course you would deserve it if you had won. But not every team was gonna let you win by allowing your only two batsmen to score runs. There was bound to be a game where your top order flops. Which happen during the New Zealand game. Nothing “ifs” or “buts” about that. 

 

Oh yes my logic is flawed cause I said a well known fact about your team. And yes I was gonna laugh at you when you compared your current team to this Australian team:

 



 

Clearly no one other than Gilchrist and Hayden can bat in that team. 

 

Okay either you're deliberately ignoring my point or it went over your head. 

 

Just tell me ... If India didn't deserve winning this WC , who did ? 

 

England ? A team which lost to bottom half teams like Pak, SL and thrashed by Aus ? No bowler barring Archer is any good. 

 

Australia ? Who lost to an uninterested South Africa  and lost to India as well. 

 

New Zealand ? Your own countrymen were crying  when they made the SF saying they don't deserve to be here.  

 

If any team deserved it more than anyone else after the league stage , it's India. That's why everyone (indians) are saying we've underachieved and are gutted about the TM. Remove your green tinted glasses for once. 

Edited July 13, 2019 by Norman

[Sgattick10]

6 hours ago, Pollack said:

Glad to find atleast few people on this forum who acknowledge we are a country of idiots hero worshippers since I am struggling to find any in real life.  All I am hearing about is how Dhoni could have won the match if not for the unfortunate run-out.

U won't believe everyone in my office feels Dhoni would have won the match if not for the run out... The delusions I tell u 

[cricketfan28]

"It becomes increasingly challenging when people get to a certain age. Mahendra Singh Dhoni you are referring to is still a great player," said Waugh.

 

yes agreed.

[ThePhenomenal1]

1 hour ago, Lannister said:

+1. How many players from the current squad have scored a century in Australia? Even **** Karthik was able to make into the WC squad but not Pandey. 

Only Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli have made 100s in Australia in ODIs. Pant has a test 100 as well. So they needed a middle order player who has played a clutch innings and taken india home. Pandey was that guy, he deserved a chance to fail and instead we got DK, it's shocking.

 

Had pandey been at 4 at least he could rotate the strike and keep it ticking, not sure about his chances against swing but he's a gritty player he might have found a way and helped india recover. How could india just discard pandey after that 100 against a wc winning aussie side, that's like the biggest sign that you have a reliable middle order batsman.

 

 

[maniac]

Steve Waugh comes across as a good Analyst. During the India Nzl game he was commentating with Harsha and Ganguly. He wanted to do badly talk about the game going on but Harsha and Ganguly kept bringing him back to the 1999 WC, SA semifinal and obviously the 2001 Kolkata test when Ganguly was captain

[sandeep]

The over-glorification of Aussies continues. 

 

Same Steve Waugh ran an absolutely shameless PR campaign when he was dropped for the 2003 World Cup.  

 

 

[Norman]

16 minutes ago, sandeep said:

The over-glorification of Aussies continues. 

 

Same Steve Waugh ran an absolutely shameless PR campaign when he was dropped for the 2003 World Cup.  

 

 

 

I don't think anyone's glorifying them here. And yes...even if they do glorify , there's not much wrong with it given their achievements. 

[Pollack]

38 minutes ago, sandeep said:

The over-glorification of Aussies continues. 

 

Same Steve Waugh ran an absolutely shameless PR campaign when he was dropped for the 2003 World Cup.  

 

 

What over-glorification? Aussies are 5 times World Cup champions. Dominated an entire decade with "no unfortunate" or "not meant to be " attitude. If anything they are under glorified since Australia in this decade has been melted down a lot. Still managed to grab one World Cup.

Edited July 13, 2019 by Pollack