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putrevus Grand Master

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30 minutes ago, mishra said:

Pakistan can determine. India has a document just like it had for 654 rulers about its accession to state of India. The call PM Nehuru made on 1st oct or November(i dont recall) was unilateral call to do a plebiscite. After that it went to UN by Pakistan. After that Shimala agreement was signed.

 

One PM made a mistake of speaking about plebiscite in some rally, the same state PM took that away in parliament. So where do kashmiri people BS comes. Kashmir Kingdom legally belonged to Hari Singh. Others were just subjects.

 

If anything Pakistan owns Junagadh. they can try their luck getting it back from us

 

Learn some history before making some sweeping statements.

Who gives a damn about some king did or did not do in 1947. This is about people who live there and  the choices they have have been given. 

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16 minutes ago, bharathh said:

The Indian govt. It's pretty clear from the ascension document.

That is the point, India govt past or present have no clue on what Kashmiris want or need as we have seen in last 70 plus years. Let us give them choice of what they want and end this meaningless bloodshed.

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42 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That is the point, India govt past or present have no clue on what Kashmiris want or need as we have seen in last 70 plus years. Let us give them choice of what they want and end this meaningless bloodshed.

Let the Pak army remove themselves and return Gilgit Baltistan and convince the Chinese to get out of Aksai Chin. Then let's look at the people living there and remove anyone not living there in 1947... and then talk. Possible?

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45 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Who gives a damn about some king did or did not do in 1947. This is about people who live there and  the choices they have have been given. 

They have a choice not to support terrorists and work towards building their economy, J&K is the most beautiful place I have seen in my life. Despite all the challenges places like Gulmarg is a top-notch winter paradise for tourists - as are Pehelgaum and other places around there. 

 

Tourism would enrich everyone living there and make them rich and prosperous beyond measure. If only they could lay down their arms and stop putting their religion before their lives and livelihoods.

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3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Who gives a damn about some king did or did not do in 1947. This is about people who live there and  the choices they have have been given. 

Are you out of your mind? World works within a certain framework. Your statement is like who gives a damn that you own deeds of your real estate, it belongs to your neighbour because he has 10 people in family and has decided to enter in your house and claims its his now. Have some commin sense. 
 

India owns the deeds of full Kashmir, Its India’s. We can’t clear out PoK doesn’t means its theirs. Its ours. Its duty of Indian Parliament and administration to get that back to Indians because deed belongs to every Indian.

 

PS; Unlike otheers, I ask for PoK based on simple principled stance. Eff “Aman ki asha” , work towards getting what is urs. I also know why And how Nehuru was coaxed into plebiscite by his so called friend Lord Mountbatten. Had he knew what we know now, he would have rubbished the idea of plebiscite just like the way Sardar Patel rubbished it when mr Mountbattene uttered those words

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2 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Biden is the worst thing to have happened to Amreeka. He is USAs Manmohan Singh.

MMS Term 1 will go down in Indian history as one of the most glorious term by any govt. Likes of Modi can only dream of such resounding success. 

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40 minutes ago, Vancouver said:

MMS Term 1 will go down in Indian history as one of the most glorious term by any govt. Likes of Modi can only dream of such resounding success. 

Yes .. those periodic bomb blasts across India culminating in 26/11 cannot be forgotten for sure. 

 

Not to mention all those scams and the raping of the Indian banking system. Only the second term could eclipse those wonder years. 

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4 hours ago, bharathh said:

Let the Pak army remove themselves and return Gilgit Baltistan and convince the Chinese to get out of Aksai Chin. Then let's look at the people living there and remove anyone not living there in 1947... and then talk. Possible?

See there are only two ways to end this nonsensical bloodshed, one is give Kashmiris choice and let them choose what they want and second is have some guts and courage go all out and demolish Pakistan and end this conflict.No need to run like little girl to UN to complain.

 

Indian govts past and present have shown not any inclination to do either.  Modi and Home minister can talk all macho they want but they will get trounced, if they touch  Chinese, Indians will endure bigger and more embrassing defeat than 1961.

 

Indira Gandhi for all her faults did the brave thing in Punjab but paid with her life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, putrevus said:

See there are only two ways to end this nonsensical bloodshed, one is give Kashmiris choice and let them choose what they want and second is have some guts and courage go all out and demolish Pakistan and end this conflict.No need to run like little girl to UN to complain.

 

Indian govts past and present have shown not any inclination to do either.  Modi and Home minister can talk all macho they want but they will get trounced, if they touch  Chinese, Indians will endure bigger and more embrassing defeat than 1961.

 

Indira Gandhi for all her faults did the brave thing in Punjab but paid with her life.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Factual corrections. 
 

1) Kashmir is resolved from India’s end with abolition of article 370. 
 

2) India did not have nuclear weapons in 1961 with $100 bn trade gap with China. Maybe some are rooting for India’s humiliation, but not happening. 
 

3) Indira Gandhi did the right thing in Punjab. Meaning what. Creating and festering Bhindranwale and khalistani movement in Punjab to later attack golden temple. Which was the brave part here. 

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14 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

 

 


Lost his life being at the wrong place in the worst possible time. His dad is saying that he got 97% in Pre-University, never got a seat in a government college where other castes with 40% got seats. He wanted to do MBBS and I took loans to send him to Ukraine. State of our society and system 

 

 

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6 hours ago, putrevus said:

See there are only two ways to end this nonsensical bloodshed, one is give Kashmiris choice and let them choose what they want and second is have some guts and courage go all out and demolish Pakistan and end this conflict.No need to run like little girl to UN to complain.

 

Indian govts past and present have shown not any inclination to do either.  Modi and Home minister can talk all macho they want but they will get trounced, if they touch  Chinese, Indians will endure bigger and more embrassing defeat than 1961.

 

Indira Gandhi for all her faults did the brave thing in Punjab but paid with her life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not happening without what I mentioned earlier. Why don't Kashmiris appeal for the Pak army to withdraw and take their masters out of Aksai Chin and Gilgit Baltistan first? After that anyone that wasn't a part of the Kashmiri population in 1947 needs to out. Pandits back in. These are choices that are in the hands of Kashmiris who want "azaadi".

 

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2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:


Lost his life being at the wrong place in the worst possible time. His dad is saying that he got 97% in Pre-University, never got a seat in a government college where other castes with 40% got seats. He wanted to do MBBS and I took loans to send him to Ukraine. State of our society and system 

 

 

Reservations are a subject that will not be addressed by anyone. Doing so is political suicide. Even saying that ppl that have already benefitted should not be allowed to avail reservations is apparently anathema.

 

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11 hours ago, coffee_rules said:


Lost his life being at the wrong place in the worst possible time. His dad is saying that he got 97% in Pre-University, never got a seat in a government college where other castes with 40% got seats. He wanted to do MBBS and I took loans to send him to Ukraine. State of our society and system 

 

 

 

Bitterly sad. One can only hope he is in a better place

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9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:


Go get him Tiger!! USA’s support to Ukraine is hollow movie dialogues

 

 

 

 

 

While talking about plight of Ukrainians in midst of all bombing he said Putin can never win hearts of Iranians

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