Are we not aware of the importance of batting strike-rates in T20Is ?

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

What is the average runs scored per Innings in T20s in India? That will give a fair idea. You don't see huge scores in international T20s in the subcontinent. It's always around 160-170. That is 8 runs an over and almost a SR of 140. Explains the lack of 140+ SR batsmen in the current team.

 

These are the SR of our current T20I batsmen away from India.  They are no better than their overall SR.

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
KL Rahul	2016-2017	6	5	2	203	110*	67.66	130	156.15	1	0	1	20	8
V Kohli	2010-2017	33	29	9	1252	90*	62.60	936	133.76	0	13	0	132	24
KM Jadhav	2015-2017	7	5	0	95	58	19.00	72	131.94	0	1	0	9	2
RG Sharma	2007-2017	46	40	10	1056	83	35.20	802	131.67	0	11	2	95	38
MK Pandey	2015-2017	6	5	1	118	51*	29.50	94	125.53	0	1	2	6	5
KD Karthik	2006-2017	9	8	1	144	48	20.57	116	124.13	0	0	1	18	4
MS Dhoni	2006-2017	55	46	23	763	48*	33.17	637	119.78	0	0	1	50	25
S Dhawan	2011-2017	13	13	1	244	60	20.33	208	117.30	0	1	1	31	6
AM Rahane	2011-2016	11	11	1	192	61	19.20	169	113.60	0	1	1	16	3

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=3;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=50;qualval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

Edited October 8, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

1. It's easy to say that Iyer and pant will not break the momentum but the reality might be very different. IPL and T20Is are different scenarios. Both have been inconsistent in the IPL itself. Change in the team doesn't always mean that the new players will perform.

 

Consistency is not the biggest quality one looks for in all the T20 batters.

 

We need a couple of consistent batters who will hold the innings together .... and we have Kohli, Rohit and Rahul

 

We also need a couple of batters who could play a special innings on their day and win it for our team .... and Pant and Iyer could be two such batters.

 

Anyway, they are representative names and others can be tried if they are not good.

 

With the World T20  3 years away, this is the ideal time to experiment.

 

3 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

Dhawan is an established opener. You need to have strong reason to replace him. Iyer and pant both haven't performed extraordinarily or anything in the A-series or BP11 matches.

 

The strong reason is his extremely low SR of 115.  Even in the IPL,he has a low SR of 121 after 127 games.

 

He is in super form now and we may see a special T20 innings or two in the near future.

 

But, is he the best option for the next world T20   3 years away .... while other top T20 teams are producing Evin Lewis-type openers

 

 

3 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

2. There is no proper keeper in your team. Pant/Rahul are half&half keepers.

 

Pant is a front-line proper keeper .... keeping regularly in all 3 formats .... and keeping rather well in the last 12 months.

 

3 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

3. Krunal isn't ready yet for International games. I would say Axar is a better pick currently as we more of their bowling than batting given the top 6 we have.

 

 

Krunal is more ready than Hardik was during his debut.  This is the time to develop him with no big T20I tournaments around.

 

His ceiling as a batsman is higher than Axar.

[prudent_kreeda]

4 hours ago, sourab10forever said:

1. It's easy to say that Iyer and pant will not break the momentum but the reality might be very different. IPL and T20Is are different scenarios. Both have been inconsistent in the IPL itself. Change in the team doesn't always mean that the new players will perform. Dhawan is an established opener. You need to have strong reason to replace him. Iyer and pant both haven't performed extraordinarily or anything in the A-series or BP11 matches.

2. There is no proper keeper in your team. Pant/Rahul are half&half keepers.

3. Krunal isn't ready yet for International games. I would say Axar is a better pick currently as we more of their bowling than batting given the top 6 we have.

4. Raina has been out of the scene for a long time now. He also has ego issues by not playing Ranji and other domestics. Not fit as well. Can't have such players in the national team.

 

 

Dhawan

Rohit

VK

Rahul

Dhoni

Pandya

Axar

Kuldeep

Chahal

Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

6 bowling options. 3 pacers and 3 spinners. 2 wrist and 1 finger-spin.

  1. It's easy to say that Iyer and pant will not break the momentum but the reality might be very different. IPL and T20Is are different scenarios. Both have been inconsistent in the IPL itself. Change in the team doesn't always mean that the new players will perform. Dhawan is an established opener. You need to have strong reason to replace him. Iyer and pant both haven't performed extraordinarily or anything in the A-series or BP11 matches.

IF they are super consistent at 19-22 , why they should be playing all these A , Ranji games ?.  They would,have been in senior team by now. What is needed is players - who are attacking and have big shots . That would be mean 1or 2 guys will come up with real blazing knocks even though short ones. Thats how T20 games are won.

Also note some of the success of last IPL was these young guns and not established players.

 

Change in the team doesn't always mean that the new players will perform

One of main objective of selectors is to find replacements , hence they need to test some of the new guys for future replacements and T20s are really the place where you need to do this.  ENG is doing it really well. 

What would be the age of Shikhar by next TW20 -   34-35?  Rohit - 33 ?  Kedar - 35-36?  MSD -  40+ . Pandey - 32-33 , Nehraji - 41+ ,    Gosh  ...  I go mad when i go about thinking about them .

 

2. There is no proper keeper in your team. Pant/Rahul are half&half keepers.

What Pant is doing ?  What Ishan K is doing ?

 

3. Krunal isn't ready yet for International games. I would say Axar is a better pick currently as we more of their bowling than batting given the top 6 we have.

What was the basis for this judgement without giving even a single game ? 

 

Currently team is doing well both in 50 overs and T20 due to bowlers . Take out BK & Bhumra  and then see how team performs . 

VK & Rohit would have to bail out 9 out 10 times .

All these pretenders (MSD, Kedar , Axar  will be naked against good pace attack) .

Hence you need to groom players to take their position ASAP . That means try out 2-3 guys and zero in one those who show promise .

 

 

 

[Vk1]

Trivia of the day.. how many  international T20 matches has Dhoni helped us win on his own. 

 

Actually, I don't know the answer but I'm expecting the answer to match with something we Indians proudly invented in the number system..

[Rasgulla]

12 hours ago, MCcricket said:

We simple aren't getting the game, we initially won the t20 worlcup when this version was in it's nascent stage, now although we have the best leGue in the business, other countries are ahead of us.

Blame squarely should be on selectors as they don't get it n care enough to focus on separate t20 squad, it's more of an after thought n most ODi players get in by virtue of being there on the tour.

If selected on merit 40% of the squad or more don't deserve to be on the squad.

DHONI

Dhawan

Rahane

Need to go asap

Also Virat, Rohit, Jadhav should target 150 mark as far as S/R.

Young guns like Sarfaraz, Hooda, K Pandya , other t20 specialist should come in, also personally I would hand over captaincy to someone else, so we have an option in the future, someone young and aggressive n wants to win bad.

Mehhhh we won that because we got rid of people like sachin and other people who are not good enough for T20 cricket. Not sure what T20s you are watching India did pretty well in last 2 T20 WCs 

 

Sf in 2016 if that was any other groud with slight bit of spin we would have rolled over WI instead those curators created a patta for WI hacks and gave the game away. Not sure if anyone rememers we smacked them left and right in practice match when they played full squad on a pitch with bit of spin. 

 

Finals in 2014 Wc - one off day we made it to finals an SL were rightful winners that day. 

 

It's not like they are getting knocked out in first round lol 

[SK_IH]

2 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Trivia of the day.. how many  international T20 matches has Dhoni helped us win on his own. 

 

Actually, I don't know the answer but I'm expecting the answer to match with something we Indians proudly invented in the number system..

lets see,

2007 none

2008 none

2009 none

2010 none

2011 none

2012 none

2013 none

2014 none

2015 none

2016 none

2017 none

i remember two partnerships in 2007 wt20 where he played second fiddle and 3-4 other goodish inning but overall yes you are right no standout innings in 10 years but there are 2-3 innings where he actually *ed up a chase with leaving it too late approach.same goes for dhawan ,although he has played 3-4 good innings but he gets stuck far too often especially against spinners and not possessing six hitting ability like hitman makes him quite dispensable 

 

on topic wonderful thread, we need absolute no nonsense hitters for t20s , there is no scope thinking in this format, maaro aur maaro approach. if we assemble such a batting lineup and with the kind of bowling lineup we are dishing out these days, ours can be the most dangerous side 

[sandeep]

16 hours ago, OpeningBatsman said:

Whats the use of IPL if we don't give chance to people who perform?

Edited October 8, 2017 by sandeep

[sandeep]

21 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Sf in 2016 if that was any other groud with slight bit of spin we would have rolled over WI instead those curators created a patta for WI hacks and gave the game away. Not sure if anyone rememers we smacked them left and right in practice match when they played full squad on a pitch with bit of spin. 

 

And in spite of the track, If Ash doesn't overstep in the 2016 SF, its a very different ballgame.  

Edited October 8, 2017 by sandeep

[sandeep]

21 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

It's not like they are getting knocked out in first round lol 

Its not a question of the results, its the process that's wrong.  We are neither putting the best XI on the ground in T20s, nor planning for the future.   

[Adi_91]

8 hours ago, raki05 said:

According to some he is still grooming Virat and keep grooming  till eternity

If Virat needs to be groomed, then he might as well quit captaincy, because he is unfit. 

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, sandeep said:

Its not a question of the results, its the process that's wrong.  We are neither putting the best XI on the ground in T20s, nor planning for the future.   

that's a good assessment of the situation

[Rasgulla]

5 hours ago, sandeep said:

And in spite of the track, If Ash doesn't overstep in the 2016 SF, its a very different ballgame.  

I doubt result would have been any different. WI wants it so bad and giving them patta was always a bad decision. Even last T20I against them completely owned by one player..Even if Ashwin didn't bowl no ball someone would have took them home easily. Everything was going well for them on that day. Didn't even feel bad they won WC after listening to Sammy'speech well deserved. They needed that so bad. 

[Pollack]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Consistency is not the biggest quality one looks for in all the T20 batters.

 

We need a couple of consistent batters who will hold the innings together .... and we have Kohli, Rohit and Rahul

 

We also need a couple of batters who could play a special innings on their day and win it for our team .... and Pant and Iyer could be two such batters.

 

Anyway, they are representative names and others can be tried if they are not good.

 

With the World T20  3 years away, this is the ideal time to experiment.

 

 

The strong reason is his extremely low SR of 115.  Even in the IPL,he has a low SR of 121 after 127 games.

 

He is in super form now and we may see a special T20 innings or two in the near future.

 

But, is he the best option for the next world T20   3 years away .... while other top T20 teams are producing Evin Lewis-type openers

 

 

 

Pant is a front-line proper keeper .... keeping regularly in all 3 formats .... and keeping rather well in the last 12 months.

 

 

Krunal is more ready than Hardik was during his debut.  This is the time to develop him with no big T20I tournaments around.

 

His ceiling as a batsman is higher than Axar.

Agreed. Hardik wasn't ready for international when he debuted. And comparatively krunal is slightly more readier than Hardik was.

 

Krunal has the same positive attitude that his younger brother has minus the love for extravagant showoffs. Krunal comes across as a player who will definitely get better as he plays.

Just look at the way he bat in IPL16 and IPL17. There is vast improvement in his batting in IPL17 though he did well in both. Great fielder as well.

Only and a very serious issue is his fitness. He is not fit as Hardik.

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, Pollack said:

Agreed. Hardik wasn't ready for international when he debuted. And comparatively krunal is slightly more readier than Hardik was.

 

Krunal has the same positive attitude that his younger brother has minus the love for extravagant showoffs. Krunal comes across as a player who will definitely get better as he plays.

Just look at the way he bat in IPL16 and IPL17. There is vast improvement in his batting in IPL17 though he did well in both. Great fielder as well.

Only and a very serious issue is his fitness. He is not fit as Hardik.

like hardik, his bowling is quite second-string... it is not particularly penetrating.

[sandeep]

Krunal has yet to demonstrate fitness or batting proficiency, outside of the IPL.  Hardik got selected based on his domination of the Syed Mushtaq Ali T20 tournament.   Like it or hate it, Indian selectors have made it very clear that the pathyway to national team selection is through First Class Cricket.  I can't think of anybody who's been selected only on the basis of IPL performances.  Even Bumrah had a couple of good domestic seasons under his belt by the time he made it to the Indian team. 

[express bowling]

17 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Krunal has yet to demonstrate fitness or batting proficiency, outside of the IPL.  Hardik got selected based on his domination of the Syed Mushtaq Ali T20 tournament.   Like it or hate it, Indian selectors have made it very clear that the pathyway to national team selection is through First Class Cricket.  I can't think of anybody who's been selected only on the basis of IPL performances.  Even Bumrah had a couple of good domestic seasons under his belt by the time he made it to the Indian team. 

What relevance does FCC have regarding T20I selections  ?  Hugely different format.

 

IPL should be the major decider for T20Is, irrelevant for tests and secondary for ODIs, after List A.

Edited October 8, 2017 by express bowling

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

What relevance does FCC have regarding T20I selections  ?  Hugely different format.

 

IPL should be the major decider for T20Is, irrelevant for tests and secondary for ODIs, after List A.

Syed Mushtaq Ali is a T20 tournament, played by the Ranji teams.   Point is, criteria for selection is based on performances by the domestic First class teams.   I'm not belittling the importance of IPL performances btw...

[Lannister]

The current bunch of selectors are utter joke, just like that Sunil Gavaskar. They lack the basic understanding how the game works in this age, especially that old guy Gavaskar who's not fit to be in the commentary panel. 

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, sandeep said:

Syed Mushtaq Ali is a T20 tournament, played by the Ranji teams.   Point is, criteria for selection is based on performances by the domestic First class teams.   I'm not belittling the importance of IPL performances btw...

 

Domestic T20 is not called FC.

 

By the way, Krunal Pandya has good SMA Trophy stats too ..... SR around 145 and average around 30.

 

His IPL stats are spectacular though .... SR of 158  and average of 34 ..... bowling ER of 7.15

 

I feel that if someone performs in the IPL, then SMA Trophy performances should not matter for T20I selection ..... it could be the other way though. 

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Same batting lineup continues.