Apologise to kohli thread

[Cricketics]

10 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

in the end its about scoring 1 run more than the other team and winning the match . We score 180 runs , I never critisized Virat for batting first , its a 50-50 call imo ..but I dont see how the current scoreline suggests it was a great call ? 

 

SA has an extremely weak batting linup ( Not saying this after the start of series ) , if we have managed to get them out for ~200 am sure we could have bolwed them out for much less had they batted first . 

It was fine call, I say. I am not too crazy about calling it a great call but like to rub it in to those who claim in as a “bad” call for no reason withou watching the game and seeing a poor Indian scoreline from the scorecard.

 

To me all this captaincy talk is BS and also overrated. He is leading the team

well thats about i for mAt times bad selections which I am also concerned about  but too early to discuss on replacing him since most players in the team aren’t putting any runs on the board.

 

Guy is not perfect but we freakin scrutinize too much about every little thing. 

 

 

 

[Sachinism]

40 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Would not want to bat last on this track . Cracks coming . Green from ball 1 and just as green now .

 

good decision to bat first .

 

another chance for you wankers jumping on captain courageous to bat first . Come on you know it alls . Beg at his feet for forgiveness . Are you man enough ?

love how KT just turns up the volume to max. 

[jusarrived]

9 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

It was fine call, I say. I am not too crazy about calling it a great call but like to rub it in to those who claim in as a “bad” call for no reason withou watching the game and seeing a poor Indian scoreline from the scorecard.

 

To me all this captaincy talk is BS and also overrated. He is leading the team

well thats about i for mAt times bad selections which I am also concerned about  but too early to discuss on replacing him since most players in the team aren’t putting any runs on the board.

 

Guy is not perfect but we freakin scrutinize too much about every little thing. 

 

 

 

Am not for all the conspiracy theories , but lets not call them just "bad" selections . Cost us a series , if we are going to have a chance in the last match its only cos hes got the playing 11 finally right . 

 

I have zero hopes from Virat , cos I have seen him do the same with RCB . I would love it if am completely wrong on this , but being betting man this is one of those I would go ALL In . 

[Tattieboy]

4 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

love how KT just turns up the volume to max. 

how is my Interesting theory standing up so far? 

All depends on batsmen learning from first innings 

 

[Cricketics]

6 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Am not for all the conspiracy theories , but lets not call them just "bad" selections . Cost us a series , if we are going to have a chance in the last match its only cos hes got the playing 11 finally right . 

 

I have zero hopes from Virat , cos I have seen him do the same with RCB . I would love it if am completely wrong on this , but being betting man this is one of those I would go ALL In . 

This is where I say its wrong. It did not cost us the series. None of the replacement did anything. I doubt his captaincy cost us the series.

 

 

Agree to disagree

 

[Sachinism]

8 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

how is my Interesting theory standing up so far? 

All depends on batsmen learning from first innings 

 

Mate. I didn't bother responding as you somehow deciphered my post as an attack on your thought.

Maybe go back and read what I wrote instead of assuming I meant is sarcastically

[Tattieboy]

Just now, Sachinism said:

Mate. I didn't bother responding as you somehow deciphered my post as an attack on your thought.

Maybe go back and read what I wrote instead of assuming I meant is sarcastically

I didn't take it that way 

I am only asking you if you think India can still win batting first 

Like I said all depends on how they bat now 

 

I hope they do it, I put a bet  of equivalent of rupees on them winning 

[Sachinism]

4 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

I didn't take it that way 

I am only asking you if you think India can still win batting first 

Like I said all depends on how they bat now 

 

I hope they do it, I put a bet  of equivalent of rupees on them winning 

India are definitely capable of doing better than they have been doing. But that is due to many factors. You can bat first, bat second, but unless you nail the basics you're not going to win. There's a multitude of factors that need to be in our favour to win.

 

I said it was an interesting tactic, as it put our struggling batsmen first up on a seaming wicket, which could turn sour very quickly. It's a huge risk and if it pays off does provide good returns. 

[Tattieboy]

1 minute ago, Sachinism said:

India are definitely capable of doing better than they have been doing. But that is due to many factors. You can bat first, bat second, but unless you nail the basics you're not going to win. There's a multitude of factors that need to be in our favour to win.

 

I said it was an interesting tactic, as it put our struggling batsmen first up on a seaming wicket, which could turn sour very quickly. It's a huge risk and if it pays off does provide good returns. 

If they do it it still doesn't cancel out a lot that is wrong that needs to be fixed 

[jusarrived]

38 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

This is where I say its wrong. It did not cost us the series. None of the replacement did anything. I doubt his captaincy cost us the series.

 

 

Agree to disagree

 

Thats not how cricket works . if you think a player is only as ggod as his last innings , I have nothing to argue here .

[Cricketics]

Just now, jusarrived said:

Thats not how cricket works . if you think a player is only as ggod as his last innings , I have nothing to argue here .

No, no one is saying. I am just replying to your assumption that you have assumed that it is the captaincy which has cost the series.

 

It doesn't work like that. He did not play the players at the right time, yes, but doesn't mean that was the reason why we lost the game.

 

That is what I am trying to put into your mind but you seem to be not understanding. Captaincy alone can not lose you the game, unless you have made drastic changes to bowling and batting line up which we did not.

 

Koli did not drop Steve Smith or Sachin Tendulkar or Rahul Dravid for Dhawan. He picked the wrong guy surely when he dropped Bhuvi, or Rahul, but overall Kohi did not lose us the test because of those moves.

 

We should have played Rahul and Bhuvi and Rahane, but we did not lose the test matches because of those moves.

 

[Trichromatic]

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No, no one is saying. I am just replying to your assumption that you have assumed that it is the captaincy which has cost the series.

 

It doesn't work like that. He did not play the players at the right time, yes, but doesn't mean that was the reason why we lost the game.

 

That is what I am trying to put into your mind but you seem to be not understanding. Captaincy alone can not lose you the game, unless you have made drastic changes to bowling and batting line up which we did not.

 

Koli did not drop Steve Smith or Sachin Tendulkar or Rahul Dravid for Dhawan. He picked the wrong guy surely when he dropped Bhuvi, or Rahul, but overall Kohi did not lose us the test because of those moves.

 

We should have played Rahul and Bhuvi and Rahane, but we did not lose the test matches because of those moves.

 

Captaincy was the biggest reason India lost the series.

[Cricketics]

4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Captaincy was the biggest reason India lost the series.

No lack of preparation.

 

Not arriving 4 weeks before is why we lost. Like how Aussies and English team does, that's the reason we lost.

 

 

[randomGuy]

4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No lack of preparation.

 

Not arriving 4 weeks before is why we lost. Like how Aussies and English team does, that's the reason we lost.

 

 

Probably the toss also... Batting last on these pitches is just too much. 

[Laaloo]

11 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Captaincy was the biggest reason India lost the series.

Not really. Our batting let us down especially our openers and our shot selection. It was criminal to drop bhuvi but that's not the main reason why we lost.

[jalebi_bhai]

19 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Captaincy was the biggest reason India lost the series.

 

13 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No lack of preparation.

 

Not arriving 4 weeks before is why we lost. Like how Aussies and English team does, that's the reason we lost.

 

 

A combination of both. Our batsmen have been poor. Only one fifty from the top 3 in 15 innings paints the picture. Not a single 50 run partnership from the top 3 so far.

[coffee_rules]

T3 team with Shami replaced by Ashwin should have played in T1. We lost by giving unnecessary practice to Dhawan over Rahul and then put Rahul under pressure. Dhawan to beech mein lane ki zaroorat nahin thi. 

[Cricketics]

1 minute ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 

A combination of both. Our batsmen have been poor. Only one fifty from the top 3 in 15 innings paints the picture.  

Very true. Vijay, Rahul, Dhawan, have been bad. We need better shot selections from them. Keeper hasn't added runs either.

So one only one guy is scoring runs in the line up, which is the captain himself, then its hard.

 

Pandya did pitch in in the first test, so credit to him. but most guys eventually did not even look like scoring more than 10 runs in both the innings, so that is where we lost.

 

 

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

No lack of preparation.

 

Not arriving 4 weeks before is why we lost. Like how Aussies and English team does, that's the reason we lost.

 

 

Who decided to skip the only practice match?

 

Who refused the offer the send team early?

 

Who decided to give 1 practice match to Rahul, Dhawan and Rahane each? Pujara played all matches and finally came good in 3rd one. Even Dhawan has potential to fluke one inning of 40-50 runs out of 6 innings if given chance. Now it's like Dhawan played 1 match, got the feel of conditions and then he was dropped. Rahul comes in, bats for first time and now it is practice for him. Rahane is playing first match. How is anyone going to perform in such scenario. No one is getting enough time. What is the expectation here? Play 1 match and perform right away? All the experience Rohit gained from first 2 tests is wasted and now Rahane is starting fresh.

 

Who decided to drop Bhuvneswar in 2nd test? Even if we assume that we didn't miss his bowling much, we certainly missed his batting. We didn't lose first match by more than 100 runs because of his batting and next match he wasn't there we lost by 150+. When he came back again we lagged by just 7 runs in first inning. 

 

Who decided that his buddy should always be in slips so that he can have sweet talk with him even when the captain and his buddy are worst slip catchers in the world. Dhawan dropped Maharaj and that alone was biggest reason for the lead we conceded in first test. Just 7 runs of lead in third test and 70+ lead in first test. You would say it's just bowling for this type of change because slip catching is just luck? Is it a coincidence that we didn't drop any catch today?

 

Who is publicly criticizing Pujara on consistent basis for his SR. Agreed he is poor and very limited batsman overseas and being no 3 he should be able to handle pressure. But Kohli's negativity towards him has led to the brainfarts he produced in 2nd test. Pujara is more responsible for himself, but Kohli has certainly contributed towards this.

 

Placing himself and Dhawan in slips on regular basis itlself shows how arrogant captain has been in this series. Do you think that Kohli doesn't know that him and Dhawan are worst slip fielders? Is it something which doesn't know. He knows and doesn't change. It almost like he wants to show that decision is right and will go to any extent to prove it right. While this attitude works well with him, it is taking the team down.

 

Kohli has best bowling line up any Indian captain ever had and he has probably 2nd best set of batsmen also. This team has weakness and cracks, but forget covering those cracks, or even leaving those cracks as it is, Kohli has helped in widening those cracks. Now you can blame those cracks to be there on first place and close your eyes to say that Kohli has nothing to do with it.

[mishra]

^ and shoving Sharmas into team. We are still carrying one ie playing with 10 players. Think if we played with 11.

 

If anything, people criticising him has been prooven correct. 

 

Edited January 25, 2018 by mishra