Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 @Stumped your pic here unwitting concludes in the other side lol. butlers right foot is grounded it is further away from the cam while the bat which is nearest ( so should be much lower to be on ground level) is on same level so clearly its in air. this is the max its possible to derive from this angle and this representation of the image, need an image from ground level right near the batsman ( one that does not exist to show it conclusively). so yeah based on this pic his bat is in the air at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 this one is even better we can even see that the bat is right over the line with no part behind it as ashwin is about to loadup while the batsman should have grounded his bat and be looking at the bowler at this point. thanks for the pics @Stumped elaborates my point very clearly, butler should not steal runs like this , he will get mankaded more in WC now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stumped said: the bat is behind the line No it is not - it is clearly on the line which belongs to the umpire and the frame is just prior to delivery stride of the bowler , and even if it is behind for arguments sake it still does not mean anything, Ashwin has not loaded into his delivery stride and raised his arm to its highest point to deliver the ball , buttler needs to stay in the crease till then ( in the video he is 3 or 4 steps into the pitch by then lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 interesting take on this. https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/ipl-2019-kaushik-maybe-next-time-jos-simply-dont-cross-the-line-2078037.html "The relevant law, 41.6, states, “If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out." What constitutes ‘expected to release the ball’, though? Is the expectation from the time the bowler has ‘loaded’? Should that be the case, with Ashwin not having entered that mode, what is the yardstick against which said expectation is measured? Also, Ashwin has a history of more than occasionally pausing before delivering the ball, largely but not only in limited-overs cricket. If that is ‘smart’ cricket because he gives himself that fraction of a second extra to see how the batsman is setting himself up, then why must this not fall in the same category?" "It can be argued that Buttler wasn’t seeking unfair advantage and looking to ‘steal’ a head-start, but carelessness isn’t a virtue either. Maybe his outpouring of vitriol on his stomp off the park was directed at himself" "Buttler had previously been dismissed in like fashion in an ODI in Birmingham in 2014. The bowler on that occasion was another off-spinner, Sachithra Senanayake. It’s unlikely that in the intervening five years, Buttler hasn’t left his crease ahead of time. Until Monday night, no one else had called his bluff." "Some of the reactions to the incident have been little short of stupefying. Shane Warne, the Rajasthan Royals brand ambassador with a colourful past, has termed Ashwin’s actions ‘disgraceful and low’, while several former and current England internationals, especially, have been equally scathing. Unsurprisingly, they have barely mentioned a word about the rules, though coming from England, the invocation of ‘spirit’ might appear a little rich." flamy, Sachinism and philcric 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Mosher said: Mosher, Zero_Unit, profster and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 What a douche bag. Not as clever as thinks. Screws up by not having enough inside circle, de russ gets bowled but wait no ball. He then blitzes. Cricket gods giving this twat a tight slap lol This plonker defo type if oppo batsman on 98 and 4 needed to win ashwin will bowl massive 4 wides to stop him getting ton. Douche bags on ICF will defnd this as well lol beetle, Switchblade, Laaloo and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, mishra said: Stop Thinking. Also Sivaramkrishana is an oily rat. Suck it up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said: What a douche bag. Not as clever as thinks. Screws up by not having enough inside circle, de russ gets bowled but wait no ball. He then blitzes. Cricket gods giving this twat a tight slap lol This plonker defo type if oppo batsman on 98 and 4 needed to win ashwin will bowl massive 4 wides to stop him getting ton. Douche bags on ICF will defnd this as well lol Guess who else thinks like you? The hypocritical Poms, Pak!s and Convicts....some nice company you keep. Let most ICFers remain douche bags, much better than being on the other side. Edited March 27, 2019 by Gollum Vilander, philcric, mishra and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Gave 5 6s of his overs today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, zen said: Gave 5 6s of his overs today Ashwin ke paas chakkon ki kami nahi. Bhar Bhar ke dega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Stumped said: Think you need your eyes tested buddy, even despite the angle which does Buttler no benefit the bat is behind the crease in this frame: Care to quote this specific definition of "expected point of release" from either the MCC laws or ICC playing conditions? I'll give you a helping hand and link you to both: https://www.lords.org/mcc/laws ,https://pulse-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/ICC/document/2018/09/27/061adf29-5cf7-486b-858b-ca5ad6bde935/03-Mens-Test-Match-Playing-Conditions-2018.pdf His bat is at best on the line not sure what you are trying to prove with the image lol. And are you saying the umpire was wrong in giving out. I think mcc clarified that very clearly on what the grounds of the interpretation was. And on point of delivery Ashwin was not at point of delivery he was loading into that when buttler moved out of the crease, he should simply stay in next time. Its butlers job to not be careless with his wicket and end up asking for advance warning etc and whinging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Stumped said: Honestly mate, if you really think that bat is on the line I really do recommend an eye test. The MCC stated that the law was up to interpretation and the decision could have been made either way (why they did that and didn't just clarify the law itself with an amendment for the future I don't know). My personal interpretation of this law (which I'd had previous to this incident occurring) was that this should have been not out. On another note the MCC have now declared that Ashwin was in violation of the spirit of cricket. you are again correct -> umpire failed to consider the delayed delivery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Stumped said: On another note the MCC have now declared that Ashwin was in violation of the spirit of cricket. Oreally..Did they do some state of the art oldboys sweat-room lobbying in the gym with all the oldies to acheive this excellent result ? Very impresssive at least pakistan takes 2 days to reverse their statement UK is setting the trend now. Edited March 27, 2019 by Vilander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, zen said: you are again correct -> umpire failed to consider the delayed delivery Again self goal if the ump considered any more delay in delivery he would have considered buttler out by a bigger margin . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Stumped said: more definitive statement after reviewing it further Oh did they now. Very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Vilander said: Again self goal if the ump considered any more delay in delivery he would have considered buttler out by a bigger margin . good to know that you have no idea what you are talking about .... don't know why @Stumped is wasting time on your posts Pollack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, zen said: good to know that you have no idea what you are talking about .... don't know why @Stumped is wasting time on your posts Oh really. Lolz. Delay in delivery means the point of delivery (hand reaches highest point where ball is released)is further away in time. If thats the case buttler is expected to be in crease for longer. Simple math but then again not simple for everyone some are differently able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Vilander said: Oh really. Lolz. Delay in delivery means the point of delivery (hand reaches highest point where ball is released)is further away in time. If thats the case buttler is expected to be in crease for longer. Simple math but then again not simple for everyone some are differently able. Pollack and Vilander 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Vilander said: Oh really. Lolz. Delay in delivery means the point of delivery (hand reaches highest point where ball is released)is further away in time. If thats the case buttler is expected to be in crease for longer. Simple math but then again not simple for everyone some are differently able. No point in arguing if someone keeps repeating 2x4=8 but 8X4 =2 Vilander and Real McCoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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