R!TTER Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, mancalledsting said: In crux gams vs top teams e.g. NZ, Australia, RSA, Pakistan. Bhuvi invariably delivers. Which games, the last WC or CT? In both cases BK has been outperformed by Shami, heck BK was missing in the last WC IIRC.
speedheat Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 There is no chance bhuvi would have been economical on this wicket. Shami over bhuvi any day.  Mosher and raki05 2
Lannister Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, New guy said: Bhuvi has taken 5 wickets in 2 matches against the likes of Australia and south Africa so it's not like he is not taking wickets either. However on current form shami will be ahead of him Shami should always be ahead of him. Even though he is not an effective death bowler, but he makes up with his wickets, which should be the #1 priority. sandsaims and Mosher 2
New guy Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, Lannister said: Shami should always be ahead of him. Even though he is not an effective death bowler, but he makes up with his wickets, which should be the #1 priority. And bhuvi should be ahead of him in tests. beetle and sandsaims 1 1
R!TTER Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, New guy said: But shamis wickets being against Afghanistan and west indies last two matches don't count? See this is what I don't like about you guys, the absolute hypcorisy and double standards. a million excuses to put down bhuvi, a million excuses to hype bowlers you like Look BK's good on tracks where there is movement, over there I'd prefer him over Chahal with Kuldeep being the lone spinner. Also why are you mixing formats, when talking about their career figures? raki05 1
Hell Raiser Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, New guy said: Why is bhuvi test place questioned them and why is shami ahead of him in tests when his stats are head and shoulders ahead if shami in tests? I am not against Bhuvi in tests on overseas tours apart from Australia. I still remember Bhuvi was wrongly dropped from 2nd test against SA on that SA tour. But no way he is getting ahead of Shami in ODI's and test matches. Bhuvi hasn't played enough on flat Indian wickets where Shami has done well or has credentials to do even better consistently. raki05, Mosher and New guy 2 1
New guy Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, R!TTER said: Look BK's good on tracks where there is movement, over there I'd prefer him over Chahal with Kuldeep being the lone spinner. Also why are you mixing formats, when talking about their career figures? Because there is a clear hypocrisy when people quote his and shamis stats in lois but ignore the stats in tests. Double standards beetle 1
rkt.india Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Without shami's wickets, we might have been staring at 370. England were 160/0 in 22 overs. Mosher, philcric, raki05 and 1 other 4
New guy Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hell Raiser said: I am not against Bhuvi in tests on overseas tours apart from Australia. I still remember Bhuvi was wrongly dropped from 2nd test against SA on that SA tour. But no way he is getting ahead of Shami in ODI's and test matches. Bhuvi hasn't played enough on flat Indian wickets where Shami has done well or has credentials to do even better consistently. Yes suddenly all your stats disappear and a million caveats come? I can guarantee if bhuvi had taken wickets last over again Afghanistan and west indies with them blindly swinging, you would have pointed that out As I said you guys are big hypocrites Edited June 30, 2019 by New guy
New guy Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, rkt.india said: Without shami's wickets, we might have been staring at 370. England were 160/0 in 22 overs. Much more actually
Lannister Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, New guy said: And bhuvi should be ahead of him in tests. Yes, only in certain conditions. Besides he is breaking down regularly and looks unfit for longer formats. raki05 1
rkt.india Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, New guy said: Why is bhuvi test place questioned them and why is shami ahead of him in tests when his stats are head and shoulders ahead if shami in tests? Let's see who understands bowling here Because bhuvi has taken 3 wickets per test, shami 3.6 and has a bit better SR too. raki05 1
Hell Raiser Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, New guy said: And bhuvi should be ahead of him in tests. Only in your dreams.Bhuvi is no way better than Shami in tests or ODI's. If bhuvi plays same number of test matches on flat India wickets, the so calles stats that you speak of will take a massive hit and in a long test series he would be bowling pies at high 120's. raki05, express bowling and Mosher 3
sandeep Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 The right answer is both. Particularly on tracks like these, against teams that don't **** their pants at the sight of wrist spin. Bhuvi could have given us control in the 1st and last 10, while Shami would have been hard to slog in the middle phase. beetle 1
rkt.india Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, sandeep said: The right answer is both. Particularly on tracks like these, against teams that don't **** their pants at the sight of wrist spin. Bhuvi could have given us control in the 1st and last 10, while Shami would have been hard to slog in the middle phase. You do realize BK can go for as many runs as Shami. raki05 and Pollack 2
sandeep Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: You do realize BK can go for as many runs as Shami. But you are almost guaranteed he'll never go for 70 80 runs like our spinners today. Not only that, he bowls at good economy rate in the last 10. beetle 1
Hell Raiser Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, New guy said: Yes suddenly all your stats disappear and a million caveats come? I can guarantee if bhuvi had taken wickets last over again Afghanistan and west indies with them blindly swinging, you would have pointed that out As I said you guys are big hypocrites What hypocrites? Even in another thread RKT told you about number of wickets and averages, and showed you how Shami still has more wickets per match and here you still are talking about stats. Don't act like a blind Dhoni bhakt. A wicket taker like Shami would always be considered a better bowler than a economical bowler like Bhuvi apart from maybe by few Bhuvi fanboys. raki05, Mosher and express bowling 3
Pollack Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 Easy choice.Wicket taking bowler. On flat pitch, everyone is going to be expensive. Wickets are the only way to restrict batsmen to have few quiet overs which are very crucial to bring the overall score down. BTW who told you Bhuvaneshwar is a good death bowler. The death bowler in him is dead nowadays. He maybe marginally better than other choices in death but it isn't worthy on flat pitches. He is going to be tanked as well plus wouldn't even pick wickets.
rkt.india Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, sandeep said: But you are almost guaranteed he'll never go for 70 80 runs like our spinners today. Not only that, he bowls at good economy rate in the last 10. He has gone for over 100 runs. So can't rule out anything. Yes, might have been better than Spinners but you never know. Don't think they would have dropped a spinner anyway to play him. raki05 1
express bowling Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) England has an innings ER of 6.74 today. And Shami has an ER of 6.9 today. It is not as if his ER is way more than the innings ER like Chahal. Add to this 5 wickets. It becomes a good performance. Edited June 30, 2019 by express bowling raki05, velu and Mosher 3
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