Shubman Gill needs to be tried in test matches and ODIs

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I think you know it as well as I do that stats from the first 3 matches in one's career carry little meaning.

 

Im saying that a small sample but there is IPL as well . In IPL also he follows Rohit kohli footsteps of taking his time 

Forget sample he doesnt have that extra gear 

 

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

And young rookies don't have fully developed games. It took some time to develop the the Kohlis and Rohits of today.

 

Rohit always had the extra gear , it was dhawan n kohli who developed and still they arent dashers which is what we need. 

 

Id rather develop Pant as opener who brings a completely different dimension to this team 

 

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

With no WC round the corner, now is the time to develop rookies. Dhawan won't be there in WC 2023 and even Rohit may lose fitness and form. 

 

I dnt mind developing rookie but he shud bring something new to team,  no point having similar players . 

I dont mind someone like Samad coz he brings something new to this team....gill is similar version to Rohit and kohli and at this point a slower one . 

 

We want impact from that one opener slot  and as of now i dnt see him as a dasher , infact at this point he is slower then dhawan 

 

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Devdutt does not play that fast at the start either. And neither is he on the cusp of a national team cap 

 

problem was his IPL side who was playing conservative cricket , i hve seen him in domestic he is blessed with that extra gear surely needs to develop but thats why im not giving his name immediate

 

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Extra gears often come after a couple of seasons for the more classic players. We need to give him time 

 

Disagree - some have it some dont. 

Rohit, yuvi, dhoni, pant , shaw, YP, HP, sehwag  had it....they took it to next level which makes them even more dangerous. Kohli developed like a freak but still he doesnt have extra gear that Rohit has 

 

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I don't think a team like India will play Jaddu at 4. We are not that experimental

 

 

 

agree we are conservative but he ll be huge help

[vaul]

Some guys on ICF so biased against Gill that they think that he is not an opener.For them  - there is no cure for jealousy.

[Khota]

Gill has done well. As an opener those runs are valuable. He needs to repeat this performance.

[neel roy]

I find shades of Babar Azam in Gill than anybody else. Similar whippy cover drive and on drive.. 

[coffee_rules]

Avoid him in ODIs where we have plenty of options, he is perfect for Tests, can replace Kohli as our top option for #4

[Vk1]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Gill won't be a slow starter in ODIs.

 

He is not good enough for T20Is.

Gill should only open in ODIs. Any other position is risky.

[Khota]

5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Avoid him in ODIs where we have plenty of options, he is perfect for Tests, can replace Kohli as our top option for #4

Kohli cannot be replaced. he needs to play all formats.

[coffee_rules]

3 minutes ago, Khota said:

Kohli cannot be replaced. he needs to play all formats.

Absolutely, but my comment is after Kohli retires or in his absence 

[express bowling]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Im saying that a small sample but there is IPL as well . In IPL also he follows Rohit kohli footsteps of taking his time 

Forget sample he doesnt have that extra gear 

 

 

Rohit always had the extra gear , it was dhawan n kohli who developed and still they arent dashers which is what we need. 

 

Id rather develop Pant as opener who brings a completely different dimension to this team 

 

 

I dnt mind developing rookie but he shud bring something new to team,  no point having similar players . 

 

I dont mind someone like Samad coz he brings something new to this team....gill is similar version to Rohit and kohli and at this point a slower one . 

 

We want impact from that one opener slot  and as of now i dnt see him as a dasher , infact at this point he is slower then dhawan 

 

 

problem was his IPL side who was playing conservative cricket , i hve seen him in domestic he is blessed with that extra gear surely needs to develop but thats why im not giving his name immediate

 

 

Disagree - some have it some dont. 

Rohit, yuvi, dhoni, pant , shaw, YP, HP, sehwag  had it....they took it to next level which makes them even more dangerous. Kohli developed like a freak but still he doesnt have extra gear that Rohit has 

 

 

 

 

 

You know what new quality Gill brings to the table as an ODI opener ?

 

Ability to play good quality pace bowling.

 

India has not adopted the one dashing opener model in ODIs ... but has been very consistent in ODIs, especially in 2018 and 2019. Scoring runs has not been an issue. We won all matches WC 19 before the knockout loss. Nowadays, fields cannot be spread out fully and runs can be scored at any stage. The 1990s and 2000s model, of score as much as you can in the first 10, is not essential.

 

What has been our issue in ODIs ?

 

Losing the entire top order the moment there has been even slightly helpful conditions for pacers. And this has happened in important matches starting from CT 17 final.

 

We need atleast 2 good quality batsmen in the top 3, who can play test match quality fast bowling.

 

Gill and Kohli, in the top 3, will achieve this.

 

And Gill has the ability to hit pacers for big 6s too. He can be the complete package as an ODI opener after he plays one year of ODI cricket.

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by express bowling

[express bowling]

This innings of 91 off 146 balls by Gill ... against Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood and Lyon ... on a 5th day Gabba pitch with cracks opening up and the pitch providing a lot of pace, bounce and some uneven bounce ... is one of the finest innings we have seen in a test match.

 

The sheer mental pressure of having to survive for 100 overs on the last day, is not easy for a veteran, let alone a rookie.

 

And he had to contend with a vicious bouncer barrage when Pujara was hit 4 or 5 times ... but Gill pulled and upper cut many of those bouncers for 6s and 4s.

 

Both his ability as well as his temperament stand out.

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

This is an innings which deserved a century.

 

The Indian cricket fraternity has a habit of forgetting the super-important 80s and 90s. Unfairly so and sadly so.

 

 

[Pandya_Power]

Great parallel with Dravid scoring 90 in his debut series. I hope Gill goes onto have an equally stellar career....maybe at #3, idk. 

[express bowling]

Agarkar saying that he is surprised that Gill had to wait so long for a debut. He looked ready even a year back.

 

I feel the same too. You don't keep superlative talent like Gill and Pant on the bench.

[WC2011INDIA]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

Agarkar saying that he is surprised that Gill had to wait so long for a debut. He looked ready even a year back.

 

I feel the same too. You don't keep superlative talent like Gill and Pant on the bench.

If I am not mistaken Captain Kohli said sometime back that the youngsters aren't quite ready to handle rigours of international cricket.

[tweaker]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Agarkar saying that he is surprised that Gill had to wait so long for a debut. He looked ready even a year back.

 

I feel the same too. You don't keep superlative talent like Gill and Pant on the bench.

 

Siraj also

Siraj should have been played after his performance in A games.He is selected 2 years late

[wanted_desi]

4 minutes ago, WC2011INDIA said:

If I am not mistaken Captain Kohli said sometime back that the youngsters aren't quite ready to handle rigours of international cricket.

Yes, he did. What an Idiot.

[WC2011INDIA]

4 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Yes, he did. What an Idiot.

Truth is that he doesn't want any young superstar to emerge and potentially outshine him. Purely business/PR driven decision.

Edited January 19, 2021 by WC2011INDIA

[Vk1]

I was looking for the thread - Gill is the real deal..

someone created that thread in 2017.. few months before 2018.. amazing talent spotting skills

[Vk1]

There is something unique about his backlift and swing.. and his timing packs a punch.. teams might find it difficult to dislodge him much like Smith.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Vk1

[prudent_kreeda]

My only worry is his game vs swing looking at the dismissals and getting caught is slips . For SC, AUS , WI , SA  his game ticks almost all boxes .

They may try to trap him in leg trap with short stuff but guy is smarter . he does not attack every short ball . Once they are  little tired or they do not have enough real pace , 

he can punish them hard as he has fine pull shot .

I would like to see him giving the first spell to Archer in the coming eng series without attacking short balls , he will  have very good chance of making good runs later on .  

Before the england tour in Eng ,  if he does make some refinement to tackle swing , he should  have reasonable England tour .

Thinking about some of the indian players who had success in Eng, most of them played on the front and made runs - esp Vengsarkar , Rahul Dravid.

Being a tall guy he has a good reach  to meet balls before they start swinging big  esp vs Jimmy , Curran  & even Broad. Since he is good vs bounce he can even stay out of the crease and face them . For Archer & Wood he can adapt his normal stance .

Since Eng does not provide the same bounce as AUS , even front put push should work fine in ENg which caused dismissals in Aus due to balls bouncing higher from length & carrying edges to slips.  

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by prudent_kreeda