sandeep Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 16 hours ago, someone said: He is another confused Hindu. Since birth, many has been taught and brainwashed that minorities are always insecure and eternal victims. Thus, consequently, it has resulted in Muslim veto power which is being challenged first time. That should be welcomed in a secular country. Another consequence is hatred for anybody who is “too Hindu” or expresses it well. So some Hindu prefers to be timid and wants all Hindus to follow their way of life, else it is communal. That speaks for their intolerance and the secularism mess in our country. As on the other hand, there is the Muslim identity politics which gets conveniently covered in the burqa of secularism... You want to defend the right to act "too hindu", yet criticize assertive expressions of religious identity by "others". Hypocrisy is well represented in Bhakt land.
Popular Post coffee_rules Posted January 17, 2020 Popular Post Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, sandeep said: You want to defend the right to act "too hindu", yet criticize assertive expressions of religious identity by "others". Hypocrisy is well represented in Bhakt land. No, he is saying that secularists are blind to Muslim identity assertions, but call somebody who is too Hindu as communal. In yout case, calling somebody Bhakt is mild humor, but calling somebody "peaceful" is bigotry. Jimmy Cliff, sergio04, Laaloo and 7 others 10
EnterTheVoid Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 5 hours ago, sandeep said: You want to defend the right to act "too hindu", yet criticize assertive expressions of religious identity by "others". Hypocrisy is well represented in Bhakt land. It's hilarious being called a "Confused Hindu" by some random dude on the Internet. His posts get the respect they deserve: 0 sandeep 1
EnterTheVoid Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 coffee_rules, you keep shifting the goal posts so often, it's hard to know for sure what you are advocating for. Or advocating against. Or whether you are advocating for anything at all. And whether you are just arguing for time pass. Still don't understand what your opposition is towards Indians who oppose India becoming a Hindu Nationalist state. If people want to identify themselves as Indian first and not some x, y, z religion, not sure why you are losing sleep. You say that all religions are equally tolerated. Yet, you come across as an apologist for Yogi Adityanath, a right wing extremist who has been spouting "racial purity" nonsense since get go. His shenanigans aren't even up for debate, all his speeches are on the record and can be easily accessible by anyone who can be bothered typing his name into Google. If him and others like him feel so emboldened in a Secular Democracy (on paper at least), it's truly terrifying what they think they will get away with in a Hindu Rashtra. In a country as ethnically diverse as India, not sure why you feel it is a good idea to give a certain group preference simply because of the religion they are born into. This has been done umpteen times in the past and in almost all cases, it didn't end well - Countries have been split along racial and ethnic lines. sandeep 1
Global.Baba Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: coffee_rules, you keep shifting the goal posts so often, it's hard to know for sure what you are advocating for. Or advocating against. Or whether you are advocating for anything at all. And whether you are just arguing for time pass. Still don't understand what your opposition is towards Indians who oppose India becoming a Hindu Nationalist state. If people want to identify themselves as Indian first and not some x, y, z religion, not sure why you are losing sleep. You say that all religions are equally tolerated. Yet, you come across as an apologist for Yogi Adityanath, a right wing extremist who has been spouting "racial purity" nonsense since get go. His shenanigans aren't even up for debate, all his speeches are on the record and can be easily accessible by anyone who can be bothered typing his name into Google. If him and others like him feel so emboldened in a Secular Democracy (on paper at least), it's truly terrifying what they think they will get away with in a Hindu Rashtra. In a country as ethnically diverse as India, not sure why you feel it is a good idea to give a certain group preference simply because of the religion they are born into. This has been done umpteen times in the past and in almost all cases, it didn't end well - Countries have been split along racial and ethnic lines. “Persecuted religious minorities” now which part of that makes the CAA a hindu rashtra ideology. That includes Abrahamic religion like Christianity and foreign religions like Zoroastrianism. Turning_track, Laaloo, Muloghonto and 1 other 4
Global.Baba Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 @EnterTheVoid a non-Muslim cannot be a leader in our neighboring Islamic countries. They have laws embedded in their constitution to enforce that. Now sure a certain groups or sects within Islam might be persecuted within these countries as well but it is an internal conflict, not our problem because they are not a victim of the actual state policies on paper. It is no different then some castes being oppressed when their rival caste is in power. That is not exactly a textbook definition of persecution. How is this so difficult to understand? Didn’t Australia give refuge to a lot of Anglo indians after the partition? Why Couldn’t they have let other religions in? Where should a poor hindu or Sikh From Pak,Afghan or Bangladesh supposed to turn to? Muloghonto, Laaloo, Turning_track and 2 others 5
coffee_rules Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: coffee_rules, you keep shifting the goal posts so often, it's hard to know for sure what you are advocating for. Or advocating against. Or whether you are advocating for anything at all. And whether you are just arguing for time pass. Still don't understand what your opposition is towards Indians who oppose India becoming a Hindu Nationalist state. If people want to identify themselves as Indian first and not some x, y, z religion, not sure why you are losing sleep. Your argument is India will become a Hindu rashtra if it amends an act making persecuted minorities , repeat minorities. That is the same illogical illiberal commentary peddled by certain sections of media, that we have secularism in our constition preamble, and this is against. I have proven that it is not hurting any of it. 41 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: You say that all religions are equally tolerated. Yet, you come across as an apologist for Yogi Adityanath, a right wing extremist who has been spouting "racial purity" nonsense since get go. His shenanigans aren't even up for debate, all his speeches are on the record and can be easily accessible by anyone who can be bothered typing his name into Google. Again, we don't believe in mere tolerance of all religions, it has to be mutual respect. You can't tolerate religions that believe the others are sinners and go to hell for practicing our religion. Whenever I say this, you bring in Yogi. He is misrepresented and because of the way we form our government, he can't become a Hindu supremacist. Let's agree to disagree on Yogi 41 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: If him and others like him feel so emboldened in a Secular Democracy (on paper at least), it's truly terrifying what they think they will get away with in a Hindu Rashtra. 41 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: In a country as ethnically diverse as India, not sure why you feel it is a good idea to give a certain group preference simply because of the religion they are born into. This has been done umpteen times in the past and in almost all cases, it didn't end well - Countries have been split along racial and ethnic lines. Call it Hindu nationalism or Indian nationalism, we have to fix the errors of the past and move on. You can't have a bunch of elite patronising the majority and get by. The next step is for inclusion of all, not just minorities.
Muloghonto Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 Make India a Dharmic rashtra with official sponsorship given to Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Sikh institutions. Then give freedom to practice religion to all religions. Just like UK which is an officially Christian Protestant nation. Problem solved adi B, Turning_track, randomGuy and 3 others 1 5
Stuge Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) https://www.news18.com/news/india/hundreds-of-huts-of-illegal-bangladeshi-immigrants-razed-in-bengaluru-turns-out-all-are-indians-2465113.html Hundreds of Huts of 'Illegal Bangladeshi Immigrants' Razed in Bengaluru, Turns Out All Are Indians :slowclaps: Edited January 20, 2020 by Stuge
coffee_rules Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 To those opposing CAA, India is paving a way for these Hindus to get back out of hell. And ShaheenBaghwale rok rahein hain. Alam_dar and Laaloo 2
Alam_dar Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 12:24 AM, Global.Baba said: @EnterTheVoid a non-Muslim cannot be a leader in our neighboring Islamic countries. They have laws embedded in their constitution to enforce that. Now sure a certain groups or sects within Islam might be persecuted within these countries as well but it is an internal conflict, not our problem because they are not a victim of the actual state policies on paper. It is no different then some castes being oppressed when their rival caste is in power. That is not exactly a textbook definition of persecution. Actually Ahmadis don't come under the definition of any group/sect of Islam in Pakistan. They are simply non-Muslims. And violence and hatred against them is bigger than against Pakistani Hindus. Pakistani Ex-Muslims also don't come under any group/sect of Islam. And for sure they are the most oppressed element in the Pakistani society. Even more than Ahmadis.
javier26 Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Actually Ahmadis don't come under the definition of any group/sect of Islam in Pakistan. They are simply non-Muslims. And violence and hatred against them is bigger than against Pakistani Hindus. Pakistani Ex-Muslims also don't come under any group/sect of Islam. And for sure they are the most oppressed element in the Pakistani society. Even more than Ahmadis. https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/how-ahmadiyyas-were-at-the-forefront-of-creation-of-pakistan-islam-all-you-need-to-know/ Ahmedis were at the forefront of Pakistan Movement and have made their choice. Now let them get what they deserve in the country which they helped in establishing, not Indias problem. Also Let Sunnis and Shias in Pakistan kill each other, they have got their own Paradise so deal with it. Turning_track and LordPrabhzy 1 1
Alam_dar Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, javier26 said: https://www.opindia.com/2019/12/how-ahmadiyyas-were-at-the-forefront-of-creation-of-pakistan-islam-all-you-need-to-know/ Ahmedis were at the forefront of Pakistan Movement and have made their choice. Now let them get what they deserve in the country which they helped in establishing, not Indias problem. Also Let Sunnis and Shias in Pakistan kill each other, they have got their own Paradise so deal with it. At one point Sikhs also made a mistake for going for Khalistan. Fact is people could always make an excuse to blame others. Even if Ahmedis didn't support Pakistan, still you would have not given them the same status as Hindus. Even if Pakistani Christians are also oppressed, still you will not welcome them in India. Even if Ex-Muslims have done nothing wrong, but you will avoid them (as you have already done in your post).
someone Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: Actually Ahmadis don't come under the definition of any group/sect of Islam in Pakistan. They are simply non-Muslims. And violence and hatred against them is bigger than against Pakistani Hindus. Pakistani Ex-Muslims also don't come under any group/sect of Islam. And for sure they are the most oppressed element in the Pakistani society. Even more than Ahmadis. In India, they all are still regarded as Muslims. I wonder how our self proclaimed seculars react if India makes a law for protection of Ahmadis or consider them as different religion? Alam_dar 1
Alam_dar Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, someone said: In India, they all are still regarded as Muslims. I wonder how our self proclaimed seculars react if India makes a law for protection of Ahmadis or consider them as different religion? This is a good argument, but still I think it would have not become a problem while question was not of their being non-Muslims or their oppression in India, but in Pakistan. Actually Ahmedis will not even go to India, as they have very good connections in the West and they very easily get asylum there. BJP may look at the numbers of Ahmedis coming to India. If their numbers are not significant, and there are also no chances of them coming to India in the future, then BJP could include them too in the List and end these protests.
someone Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: This is a good argument, but still I think it would have not become a problem while question was not of their being non-Muslims or their oppression in India, but in Pakistan. Actually Ahmedis will not even go to India, as they have very good connections in the West and they very easily get asylum there. BJP may look at the numbers of Ahmedis coming to India. If their numbers are not significant, and there are also no chances of them coming to India in the future, then BJP could include them too in the List and end these protests. So the India gov, should make a bill declaring Ahmedis as non-Muslims, and offering them protection, add them in CAA. Are our seculars ready for it? Their hypocrisy and double game will be exposed... You cant be both Non-Muslims and Muslims at the same time.
coffee_rules Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 Ahmediya would go EU or Canada where have persecuted religion status and not come to India where Muslims are already living under fear anyway!
Laaloo Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 20 hours ago, coffee_rules said: To those opposing CAA, India is paving a way for these Hindus to get back out of hell. And ShaheenBaghwale rok rahein hain. Damn she’s beautiful Global.Baba 1
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