Chahar vs Bhuvi

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I have a better question who will be our 4th seamer ??

Chahar, bhuvi, bumrah are going unless someone looses form or fitness

 

Saini- high chance but even he looked in bother in t20s as batsman like pace and his lack of variation didnt help

Khaleel- have been tonked

Shami- never been a good t20 bowler 

Rajpoot n prasidh- havent been consistent for their franchises as well

mavi- long shot

Best option wud be saini but he has to be given enough games before Wc to sought out his game plans. Give him as much exp as possible or else it will hurt him

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Chahar is a better new ball bowler. Bhuvi is a better death ball bowler. Both can bat a bit. Who do you think is more likely to make early inroads with new ball? Can't play both with Pandya coming in. If they do they will have to drop a spinner which is not ideal.

knowing kohli all combinations are possible 

 

3 seamer + spinner + pandya

2 seamer + 2 wrist spinner+ pandya

2 seamer + 1 wrist spinner+ 1 spin bowling all rounder + pandya

 

and thats how it shud be , its shud be flexible acc to condition , opposition n ground dimensions

[speedheat]

Bhuvi is better! 

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I have a better question who will be our 4th seamer ??

Saini- high chance but even he looked in bother in t20s as batsman like pace and his lack of variation didnt help

 

Needs to play lots of T20s.

 

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Khaleel- have been tonked

 

Needs to play more FC and domestic LO matches.

 

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Shami- never been a good t20 bowler 

 

Much improved bowler now.  No harm seeing how he fares in some bilaterals.

 

My worry is his 3-format heavy workload.

 

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Rajpoot n prasidh- havent been consistent for their franchises as well

Rajpoot is out of favour for the time being.

 

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

mavi- long shot

 

Would like to introduce Mavi and Prasidh to international cricket via the safer ODI route.

 

T20 format not ideal for introducing classical rookie fast bowlers.

[New guy]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Bhuvi bowls those speeds mostly during the IPL.  Rarely seen him bowl 145 k in ODIs.  In international T20s, he is usually 130 k to 140 k and goes up to 143 k in some matches.

 

 

 

 

Who has wanted just speed on this forum !!  The demand is for skilled quick bowlers like Bumrah and Shami.

 

And the issue is not just about speeds  ... but every team needs some hit the deck bowlers when the ball is not swinging. Can't have just floaty swing bowlers filling the team.

Bhuvi was consistently bowling over 140 in all the recent matches and even ODIs he played so now being completely dishonest. That IPL doubly accusation was true before but last entire year and this year his speed was high in even ODIs and was discussed in all match threads

 He was constantly over jaleel in all matches by 5kph and was usually the fastest bowler in the team when bumrah was not playing.

[jf1gp_1]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Read my post again before quoting me

keep cribbing 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

keep cribbing 

Awwh,so caring!

Edited December 7, 2019 by Suhaan

[MK55]

I can only imagine whats gonna happen to these bowlers in Australia LOL. I can guarantee you there will be zero swing on offer.
We need bowlers who can hit the deck and get some extra bounce in the initial overs and also bowlers who are capable of bowling fast yorkers. Only Bumrah has that ability. Saini could have been developed to be a better death bowler but that was never gonna happen with this moronic captain and team management. 

We need 3 pacers. One of them is Bumrah. At least one of the the remaining slots should be filled by a non-floaty swing bowler. 

 

 

 

[prudent_kreeda]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I have a better question who will be our 4th seamer ??

Chahar, bhuvi, bumrah are going unless someone looses form or fitness

 

Saini- high chance but even he looked in bother in t20s as batsman like pace and his lack of variation didnt help

Khaleel- have been tonked

Shami- never been a good t20 bowler 

Rajpoot n prasidh- havent been consistent for their franchises as well

mavi- long shot

      Would go for Shami at present form . But he will have to bowl out well before 16th over if he plays

[Samcric]

To be successful in T20s, a fast bowler should be able to bowl at least these 2 bowls consistently and accurately: deceptive slower ball and yorker. Speed is not an issue in T20 if a bowler can bowl these two balls well. Dwane Bravo has always been a difficult bowler to hit in T20s because of this. 

 

Chahar has a good slower ball but not sure if he can bowl yorkers accurately and consistently.

Bhuvi has both but seems to under-bowl the yorkers. He needs to bowl his yorkers more consistently. 

Bumrah bowls both these types of balls amazingly. In addition, he bowls a hard length during powerplay which is hard to hit due to his pace and action. Undoubtedly, the no. 1 T20 bowler in the world. Such a shame that other Indian bowlers are unable to pick up things from him during nets or otherwise.

Shami - don't think he has either of theses two balls and will go for plenty on good decks with true bounce. 

 

India should look for seamers who can bowl yorkers with consistency and accuracy. Everyone, including the Unadkats and Khaleels, seems to have a slower ball. Challenge is that if your natural pace is less than 135Ks, then the difference and hence the impact is not much. I hope that one of Saini, Avesh or Mavi can bamboozle us with slower balls and yorkers in IPL 2020. Even better if Hardik can get better at these deliveries.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, Samcric said:

Bhuvi has both but seems to under-bowl the yorkers. He needs to bowl his yorkers more consistently. 

injury issue which is why his yorker hasnt been that consistent n effective in last 1-2 yrs

Yorker is one ball that requires most strength

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said:

      Would go for Shami at present form . But he will have to bowl out well before 16th over if he plays

form skill was never the issue with shami in t20...its been predictability in length n lack of variation and same for jadeja as well 

yup he cud be tried considering we dont have many options

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, New guy said:

Bhuvi was consistently bowling over 140 in all the recent matches and even ODIs he played so now being completely dishonest.

He was constantly over jaleel in all matches by 5kph and was usually the fastest bowler in the team when bumrah was not playing.

 

Really.!!   

 

Below are the speeds of Bhuvneshwar Kumar and his fellow pacers in the last 10 LOIs he has played. I did not pick and choose any match.  (  Most recent first  )

 

----  He could not even touch 140 k in his last 9 matches ... let alone consistently bowling over 140 k.

---- He was usually the slowest bowler in the team even when Bumrah was not playing.

See who is being dishonest here.   

 

 

 

(  Fastest / Average. )

 

Match 1

Chahar.  138.9 / 128.0

Bhuvi.    135.6 / 126.4

 

Bhuvi Slowest pacer.

 

Match 2

Shami.    144.3 / 137.5

Khaleel.  143.1 / 133.6 

Bhuvi.     134.2 / 122.0

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer ... Khaleel much quicker.

 

Match 3

Khaleel.  143.9 / 133.6 

Shami.    143.4 / 136.7

Bhuvi.     139.8 / 129.8

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer ... Khaleel much quicker.

 

Match 4

Shami.    141.7 / 136.2

Khaleel.  141.6 / 135.7

Bhuvi.     135.9 / 127.8

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer ... Khaleel much quicker.

 

Match 5

Saini.      141.3 / 131.5

Chahar.  135.1 / 130.8

Bhuvi.     131.0 / 122.9

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer.

 

Match 6

 

Saini.      141.6 / 135.0

Khaleel  138.3 / 126.3

Bhuvi.    135.4 / 123.2

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer. Khaleel quicker.

 

Match 7

Saini.      144.2 / 137.7

Khaleel  139.5 / 128.9

Bhuvi.    132.8 / 120.4

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer. Khaleel much quicker.

 

Match 8

Bumrah    147.3 / 136.5

Pandya.    139.5 / 130.6

Bhuvi.       138.8 / 131.0

 

Match 9

Bumrah    144.6 / 134.1

Pandya.    139.0 / 122.3

Bhuvi.       137.6 / 128.1

 

Match 10

 

Bumrah    149.3 / 138.4

Shami.      144.3 / 137.3

Bhuvi.       141.0 / 132.5

Pandya.    139.5 / 129.5

 

Bhuvi 3rd fastest and not just below Bumrah.

 

Source :  BCCI.tv

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2019 by express bowling

[Real McCoy]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Really.!!   

 

Below are the speeds of Bhuvneshwar Kumar and his fellow pacers in the last 10 LOIs he has played. I did not pick and choose any match.  (  Most recent first  )

 

----  He could not even touch 140 k in his last 9 matches ... let alone consistently bowling over 140 k.

---- He was usually the slowest bowler in the team even when Bumrah was not playing.

See who is being dishonest here.   

 

 

 

(  Fastest / Average. )

 

Match 1

Chahar.  138.9 / 128.0

Bhuvi.    135.6 / 126.4

 

Bhuvi Slowest pacer.

 

Match 2

Shami.    144.3 / 137.5

Khaleel.  143.1 / 133.6 

Bhuvi.     134.2 / 122.0

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer ... Khaleel much quicker.

 

Match 3

Khaleel.  143.9 / 133.6 

Shami.    143.4 / 136.7

Bhuvi.     139.8 / 129.8

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer ... Khaleel much quicker.

 

Match 4

Shami.    141.7 / 136.2

Khaleel.  141.6 / 135.7

Bhuvi.     135.9 / 127.8

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer ... Khaleel much quicker.

 

Match 5

Saini.      141.3 / 131.5

Chahar.  135.1 / 130.8

Bhuvi.     131.0 / 122.9

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer.

 

Match 6

 

Saini.      141.6 / 135.0

Khaleel  138.3 / 126.3

Bhuvi.    135.4 / 123.2

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer. Khaleel quicker.

 

Match 7

Saini.      144.2 / 137.7

Khaleel  139.5 / 128.9

Bhuvi.    132.8 / 120.4

 

Bhuvi slowest pacer. Khaleel much quicker.

 

Match 8

Bumrah    147.3 / 136.5

Pandya.    139.5 / 130.6

Bhuvi.       138.8 / 131.0

 

Match 9

Bumrah    144.6 / 134.1

Pandya.    139.0 / 122.3

Bhuvi.       137.6 / 128.1

 

Match 10

 

Bumrah    149.3 / 138.4

Shami.      144.3 / 137.3

Bhuvi.       141.0 / 132.5

Pandya.    139.5 / 129.5

 

Bhuvi 3rd fastest and not just below Bumrah.

 

Source :  BCCI.tv

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are talking to a bhuvibot. Dont argue with reason at all

[Real McCoy]

In t20Is, Chahar > Bhuvi at the moment. Don't go by his match figures this match. He actually bowled better than what his stats show. It was a flat pitch and some of the catches were dropped by Sundar and Hitman. He can bowl the knuckle ball too. Its not a Bhuvi masterpiece   Everyone who plays t20 bowls this ball. The catch missed by Sundar at long on was a knuckle ball I believe. He gets more swing in Indian pitches upfront than Bhuvi and seems a smart bowler. He can bowl well at the death as was discovered in the last IPL. For all the death bowling that Bhuvi does, he seems to lose it when facing mega hitters like Pollard. In ODIs, Bhuvi is better than Chahar at the moment but Shami and Bumrah are expected to play ahead of him if the TM has their heads screwed right.

[vvvslaxman]

You need wrist spinners in Australia. Chahal/Kuldeep one of them will play. Jadeja and Pandya will be the all rounders. That will leave us with 3 pacers at best. Bumrah is one. Many are concerned about Australian pitches not being helpful for swing bowlers. That notion is incorrect. That is true for red ball cricket during day time. White ball under lights does swing. We have seen guys like Praveen Kumar, Ishant sharma, Irfan tasting some success with swing. Even back in the 80s guys like Binny, Kapil enjoyed the swing with white ball.

 

Chahar is a conventional swing bowler who swings from the hand.  Infact that is how he became famous. Bhuvi after beginning of his career hardly seen him doing that.  He moves off the pitch. Having said that Bhuvi bowled well in the recent Australian one dayers. He was able to bring the ball back in to the right handers of the pitch. Also Bhuvi has a better bouncer than Chahar.  Chahar is more likely to give early break through. It is going to be interesting how Kohli will go about it. Play both or sit one out and replace him with Shami or Saini.

[ShoonyaSifar]

Both are defensive bowlers who provide 'control' to the TM and can bat. Chahar being a better batsman of the two, better to have him in the team than Bhuvi who has already done nothing in knockouts of 2014 T20 WC, 2017 CT and 2019 WC.

[ShoonyaSifar]

21 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

You need wrist spinners in Australia. Chahal/Kuldeep one of them will play. Jadeja and Pandya will be the all rounders. That will leave us with 3 pacers at best. Bumrah is one. Many are concerned about Australian pitches not being helpful for swing bowlers. That notion is incorrect. That is true for red ball cricket during day time. White ball under lights does swing. We have seen guys like Praveen Kumar, Ishant sharma, Irfan tasting some success with swing. Even back in the 80s guys like Binny, Kapil enjoyed the swing with white ball.

 

Chahar is a conventional swing bowler who swings from the hand.  Infact that is how he became famous. Bhuvi after beginning of his career hardly seen him doing that.  He moves off the pitch. Having said that Bhuvi bowled well in the recent Australian one dayers. He was able to bring the ball back in to the right handers of the pitch. Also Bhuvi has a better bouncer than Chahar.  Chahar is more likely to give early break through. It is going to be interesting how Kohli will go about it. Play both or sit one out and replace him with Shami or Saini.

Jadeja as a T20 all rounder! Already played 4 T20 WCs, did absolutely nothing, 17 matches, 56 runs@11 and 14 wickets@31. His test form does not mean he's suddenly an improved T20 player.

 

Good luck to this team if they go into another ICC tournament with KulCha (their main weapon along with Bumrah) not bowling together. The TM have done everything to derail them and will see the consequences next year.

[vishalvirsingh]

hats off to bhuvi....this guy is a clever fox.

[Real McCoy]

1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said:

hats off to bhuvi....this guy is a clever fox.

really? he got carted in the last over by pooran and Simmons. bowling length ball at the death mr.so called death bowler