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How does South Africa keep producing world class match winners?


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1 minute ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

That’s okay. Mayank is nearly 29 as well. Still can have 5-6 years of international cricket.

 

Credit to Dussen though, despite such good domestic record, he did not go the Kalpak route.

My point was about looking promising. 

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The problem i see is that their white south african population of 4.5 million is not growing and is rapidly aging due to young white south africans moving away. This segment produced cricketers in bulk.

 

The question in my mind is will the asian and coloured segments (similar in pop combined to whites) be able to continue to produce world class cricketers. This segment has produced the likes of philander amla etc. If this segment starts producing good calibre of cricketers regularly,  things will be fine.

 

 

The kolpak thing will come to an end in a few years as brexit kicks in and the uk is not bound by eu laws. Only the best of the best in sa will make it through to the foreign player quota. 

 

But there are deeper demographic issues at play

 

 

 

 

 

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And while not wanting to divert the topic, sri Lanka is another country with a rapidly aging pop and lacks the proper financial or infra to make the most of their 3 to 4 million male talent base 

 

While we talk about wi decline etc, fundamentally we forget they have a combined pop of 5 odd million. This combined with lack of proper infra meant once we entered the professional era they were ill equipped 

 

 

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1 hour ago, SecondSlip said:

BUMP! 
 

They have just whitewashed a full strength Australian side without Rabada and Du Plessis! 
 

Watch out for their new opener Janneman Malan. This guy will make an awesome opening partner with De Kock going forward! 

I think they had gone with only 3 colored guys in 3rd game.  Not sure they can keep this up with the quota rule in SA.  Shamsi will be back though

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2 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

BUMP! 
 

They have just whitewashed a full strength Australian side without Rabada and Du Plessis! 
 

Watch out for their new opener Janneman Malan. This guy will make an awesome opening partner with De Kock going forward! 

The likes of Malan, Klaasen, Bavuma, Nortje were part of the SA A side that got hammered by India A last year. Look at the progress these guys have made while ours are going backwards. Except Iyer nobody has got opportunities. Our talent management is horrible atm.

 

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The superstar culture and demigod status of few guys will always act as a major hurdle for young promising guys to come in,there are many yesman who will be wagging their tails like shastri at every injustice done

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On 12/30/2019 at 4:51 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

At this point India is producing the best talent 2nd wud be england

Oh really!? 
 

Who are the current top 10 talents of India and how are they better than England despite us being an inferior team in white ball cricket!? 

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52 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

Oh really!? 
 

Who are the current top 10 talents of India and how are they better than England despite us being an inferior team in white ball cricket!? 

among the new crop no one in england is as talened as KL or Gill neither in bowling they have a talent like rahul chahar, ,mavi, nagarkotti 

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I think there is limited talent pool to pick players from in sub continent. 

 

I can't say anything about India but in Pakistan, only low and lower middle class kids pursue sports. Rest of them are not in it because they usually commit themselves to full time studies, on top of there being non-existant sports activities in schools. 

 

Umar Amin, Salman Butt, Misbah and Sohaib Maqsood are probably only educated cricketers to play for Pakistan recently.

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5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

among the new crop no one in england is as talened as KL or Gill neither in bowling they have a talent like rahul chahar, ,mavi, nagarkotti 

They  have a WC recently though :p: 

 

Man KL debut was in 2014 :laugh: He is showing some consistency in 2020 

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5 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

They  have a WC recently though :p: 

1-2 players dont win Wc teams do

and young players when given experience wins u Wc

5 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Man KL debut was in 2014 :laugh: He is showing some consistency in 2020 

KL has been most consistent batsman in 2020 , he was quite consistent before loosing his form - 59, 49 were his avg in test cricket in those years 

u want me to name players who were inconsistent till 5-6 years - rohit, yuvi, Zak 

 

Talent and consistency are not spelled same

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21 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

among the new crop no one in england is as talened as KL or Gill neither in bowling they have a talent like rahul chahar, ,mavi, nagarkotti 

I asked you for top 10 names and you have given just 5! :giggle: 

 

Chahar, Mavi and Nagarkoti are yet to play international cricket and you have already labelled them as world class talents! 

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5 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

I asked you for top 10 names and you have given just 5! :giggle: 

 

Chahar, Mavi and Nagarkoti are yet to play international cricket and you have already labelled them as world class talents! 

According to selectors the ones who represent Indian national team are top 11 talents of the country but it means nothing we know what happens during selections

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44 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

I asked you for top 10 names and you have given just 5! :giggle: 

 

Chahar, Mavi and Nagarkoti are yet to play international cricket and you have already labelled them as world class talents! 

talent is inborn playing international doesnt give it validation . harmeet singh was one of the best spin bowling talent in world few years ago now he didnt progress doesnt mean he lacked talent 

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