Match Thread : India v/s New Zealand XI Practice Match at Hamilton

[Gollum]

Why take a draw so early? Shopping plans?

 

And lol at the hate for Saha here, unimaginable nonsense about the world's best pure keeper. 

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

I knew for months and months their performances on subcontinent pitches was way overrated.

What exactly is overrated about 29-1 in India, 5-1 in SL? Toss is out of the equation for visitors in India, they lose any hope of fighting before the first ball is bowled. Like Nadal on clay, we must be proud of our SC dominance. 

Edited February 16, 2020 by Gollum

[SinNombre]

55 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Why did they just play 40 overs today?

Looks like NZ was bowling some of their garbage bowlers so continuing to bat was kind of pointless. 

[SinNombre]

5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

What exactly is overrated about 29-1 in India, 5-1 in SL? Toss is out of the equation for visitors in India, they lose any hope of fighting before the first ball is bowled. Like Nadal on clay, we must be proud of our SC dominance. 

Also in WI. 

 

And even in SENA, we have won when we have won the toss.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, SinNombre said:

Looks like NZ was bowling some of their garbage bowlers so continuing to bat was kind of pointless. 

Could have bowled a few overs.

[vaul]

Wrong decision against Gill.Point of impact was just above knee-roll.

[SRT100]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

What exactly is overrated about 29-1 in India, 5-1 in SL? Toss is out of the equation for visitors in India, they lose any hope of fighting before the first ball is bowled. Like Nadal on clay, we must be proud of our SC dominance. 

If all the SC teams were strong that you may have a case, the fact remains they are not. Performing in SENA conditions is much more respected and honored than performing in SC conditions.

 

All SC teams struggle in SENA conditions, but not all SENA teams struggle in the SC.

[R!TTER]

5 hours ago, FischerTal said:

you are giving exceptions to the norm. most players who succeed against swing are those in the Dravid mould.

Before his last tour, when admittedly he wasn't that good, SRT had a better record in England than Dravid. That's not to say that Dravid is better or worse in swinging conditions, but your observation seems off especially given Ganguly also had a better record than him.

[R!TTER]

25 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

All SC teams struggle in SENA conditions, but not all SENA teams struggle in the SC.

Depends on the conditions honestly, the issue is toss is generally an advantage in Asia, massively so if we have pitches like Pune vs Oz or Nagpur vs SA. It's not so clear cut in S. E. N. A. especially Oz, also unless you have moisture in the pitch you're always behind the eight ball in Asia. What this basically means is that batting first is always an advantage here, 99 out of 100 times but not so outside Asia because of moisture which can help the seamers. In that sense we've done exceptionally well to beat teams batting first in India, albeit on flat tracks.

 

So I don't see that as a massive achievement or non Asia sides given seamers do come into play on the 5th day here but we rarely see copious amount of turn on display at the end of a test especially in places like Perth or Brisbane.

[beetle]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Why did they just play 40 overs today?

Nushki is in town.

[express bowling]

6 hours ago, SinNombre said:

Drunk baba without Kohli is not a complete fool. 

 

Let Shastri run the team without Kohli ... we may see some really good decisions.

 

He was known as a good tactician in his playing days ... but does not seem to say much against the decisions of Kohli.

[FischerTal]

23 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Before his last tour, when admittedly he wasn't that good, SRT had a better record in England than Dravid. That's not to say that Dravid is better or worse in swinging conditions, but your observation seems off especially given Ganguly also had a better record than him.

I think thats not fair. Dravid only struggled in England in 2007, just like Ganguly. However, he made up for it in 2011. Also, Dravid has a better record in England than Ganguly. 

 

 

[R!TTER]

3 minutes ago, FischerTal said:

I think thats not fair. Dravid only struggled in England in 2007, just like Ganguly. However, he made up for it in 2011. Also, Dravid has a better record in England than Ganguly. 

 

 

That's why I said before 2011, SRT didn't have the best outing in back then but Ganguly was the most consistent of the lot. Dravid also had a freak series let's be fair, he was poor post 2006-07 & you can see his numbers were god awful till the WI tour the same year.

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	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
unfiltered	1996-2012	164	13288	270	52.31	36	1	1/18	39.00	0	210	0	13.31	Profile
filtered	2007-2011	41	2697	191	40.25	7	-	-	-	-	51	0	-

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Grouping	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
v Australia	2007-2010	10	469	93	27.58	0	-	-	-	-	14	0	-
v Bangladesh	2010-2010	2	139	111*	69.50	1	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
v England	2007-2008	5	269	136	29.88	1	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
v New Zealand	2009-2010	6	655	191	72.77	2	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
v Pakistan	2007-2007	3	191	50	38.20	0	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
v South Africa	2008-2011	6	298	111	29.80	1	-	-	-	-	7	0	-
v Sri Lanka	2008-2010	9	676	177	45.06	2	-	-	-	-	11	0	-
in Australia	2007-2008	4	237	93	33.85	0	-	-	-	-	9	0	-
in Bangladesh	2010-2010	2	139	111*	69.50	1	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
in England	2007-2007	3	126	55	25.20	0	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
in India	2007-2010	20	1518	191	48.96	6	-	-	-	-	21	0	-
in New Zealand	2009-2009	3	314	83	62.80	0	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
in South Africa	2010-2011	3	120	43	20.00	0	-	-	-	-	1	0	-
in Sri Lanka	2008-2010	6	243	68	22.09	0	-	-	-	-	7	0	-
in Africa	2010-2011	3	120	43	20.00	0	-	-	-	-	1	0	-
in Asia	2007-2010	28	1900	191	43.18	7	-	-	-	-	33	0	-
in Europe	2007-2007	3	126	55	25.20	0	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
in Oceania	2007-2009	7	551	93	45.91	0	-	-	-	-	13	0	-
home	2007-2010	20	1518	191	48.96	6	-	-	-	-	21	0	-
away	2007-2011	21	1179	111*	32.75	1	-	-	-	-	30	0	-

 

The point being while Dravid was great in England we've had attacking batters do well over there as well, prime example being Viv.

[FischerTal]

18 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

That's why I said before 2011, SRT didn't have the best outing in back then but Ganguly was the most consistent of the lot. Dravid also had a freak series let's be fair, he was poor post 2006-07 & you can see his numbers were god awful till the WI tour the same year.

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	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
unfiltered	1996-2012	164	13288	270	52.31	36	1	1/18	39.00	0	210	0	13.31	Profile
filtered	2007-2011	41	2697	191	40.25	7	-	-	-	-	51	0	-

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
v Australia	2007-2010	10	469	93	27.58	0	-	-	-	-	14	0	-
v Bangladesh	2010-2010	2	139	111*	69.50	1	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
v England	2007-2008	5	269	136	29.88	1	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
v New Zealand	2009-2010	6	655	191	72.77	2	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
v Pakistan	2007-2007	3	191	50	38.20	0	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
v South Africa	2008-2011	6	298	111	29.80	1	-	-	-	-	7	0	-
v Sri Lanka	2008-2010	9	676	177	45.06	2	-	-	-	-	11	0	-
in Australia	2007-2008	4	237	93	33.85	0	-	-	-	-	9	0	-
in Bangladesh	2010-2010	2	139	111*	69.50	1	-	-	-	-	5	0	-
in England	2007-2007	3	126	55	25.20	0	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
in India	2007-2010	20	1518	191	48.96	6	-	-	-	-	21	0	-
in New Zealand	2009-2009	3	314	83	62.80	0	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
in South Africa	2010-2011	3	120	43	20.00	0	-	-	-	-	1	0	-
in Sri Lanka	2008-2010	6	243	68	22.09	0	-	-	-	-	7	0	-
in Africa	2010-2011	3	120	43	20.00	0	-	-	-	-	1	0	-
in Asia	2007-2010	28	1900	191	43.18	7	-	-	-	-	33	0	-
in Europe	2007-2007	3	126	55	25.20	0	-	-	-	-	4	0	-
in Oceania	2007-2009	7	551	93	45.91	0	-	-	-	-	13	0	-
home	2007-2010	20	1518	191	48.96	6	-	-	-	-	21	0	-
away	2007-2011	21	1179	111*	32.75	1	-	-	-	-	30	0	-

 

The point being while Dravid was great in England we've had attacking batters do well over there as well, prime example being Viv.

honestly I think that had to do with the depression from the 2007 WC fiasco but I take your point.

[Ankit_sharma03]

44 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Let Shastri run the team without Kohli ... we may see some really good decisions.

 

He was known as a good tactician in his playing days ... but does not seem to say much against the decisions of Kohli.

he was always very suppourtive of youngsters as well

The reason behind his biggest tiff with ganguly was during ganguly vs chappell days he supported chappell for bringing young players 

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

 

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[Mosher]

27 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

 

The leg side hack played some lovely cover drives, cut shots and sixes over extra cover.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Mosher

[express bowling]

48 minutes ago, Mosher said:

The leg side hack played some lovely cover drives, cut shots and sixes over extra cover.

 

So, he is an off-side hack now 

[SrinjayDutta]

4 hours ago, SRT100 said:

If all the SC teams were strong that you may have a case, the fact remains they are not. Performing in SENA conditions is much more respected and honored than performing in SC conditions.

 

All SC teams struggle in SENA conditions, but not all SENA teams struggle in the SC.

All teams struggle against india in india. Thats an incredible achievement. Actually it is not even a struggle nowadays. Which other team dominates in their home ground so much?