SK_IH Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 England is slowly aping the Australian model. I remember when Healy & Taylor were sidelined from ODIs after a disastrous home tri series against Pak & WI. Thereafter, certain frailties were identified & specific personnel were backed to get results & results they got. England is treading the same path under Morgan, they are looking for the best possible options & not names. This is a great recipe for success. Mind you Root is no slouch but he is not there best option for the format in so far as English selectors are concerned. Meanwhile in India, Rahane is looking to coming back in ODIs and till about this year start Dhoni had an apparent dream of playing T20 world cup. No doubt why Indian cricket is so bland & regressive under King Kohli. Vk1, Gollum, Skipper and 6 others 2 7 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 well done ....they shud look at Banton at 3 they already have to many options for top - bairstrow, roy,butler, banton Also high times stokes bat at 4 or else he is a waste in t20 Gollum and SK_IH 2 Link to comment
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) Unlike Eng, India's uses the innovative strategy of implementing tactical tuktuk in the first 15 overs of T20s and then make the most of the last 5 overs. In order to do the tuktuk it needs players such as Rahane, Rohit, etc. .... And of course if someone like Rohit gets set in those 15 overs, he will kill the opposition in the last 5. The guy has scored 100s in T20s too. Rahane made a valuable contribution in the T20 WC16 SF by not failing to take singles. We cannot change our strategy Edited August 31, 2020 by zen Turning_track, SK_IH and New guy 3 Link to comment
Ajju Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 But in INDIA Dhoni test captaincy introduced in T20s along with batting Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 India selects Test teams based on IPL/ODI form and ODI team from IPL/T20 hitting abilities. After toss, all captains are trained to say, "Same team" across all three formats. Of course, Im sarcastic here. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 yaha rahane aur pujara ke liye ex cricketers rotte hai upar se dhawan to abhi bhi hai, inhone root drop kr diya Gollum, SK_IH and saik 3 Link to comment
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) Rules for established Indian batsmen (from the secret book of TukTuk): Seek to occupy the best slots for batting in the line up First get to the individual milestone (50 or whatever), then worry about RR and other factors. This also shows that you are consistent and will continue to secure a place in the 11 Leave the slogging and RR to new batsmen. Since they may be required to go after bowling from ball 1 - either they will sink or swim. If they sink, they will be blamed, if they swim, people will praise us as well for setting them up Because these youngsters are usually not in a position to play themselves in, they will be inconsistent, making us look better (indispensable) In difficult conditions when we fail, people will say "but they can fail once in awhile". This was the time for the inconsistent ones, who hardly get the opportunity to play themselves in, to step up. Repeat the sink or swim scenario Once in a while, we will make a big score too so fans will continue to cheer for us. Consolidating our status (and $$$) Edited August 31, 2020 by zen zaqw222222, Gollum, Sandeep99 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Cultural difference, Indians will always settle for mediocrity and have the 'deference to seniority' rule. Doesn't matter which sphere of activity, we can never strive for excellence with this mindset. There may be 1-2 exceptions but exceptions they are, not the general rule. SK_IH 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) May be borderline blasphemous, but Greg Chappell was the need of the hour in mid-2000s, also bolder selectors then. Without him we wouldn't have enjoyed the success we got post-2007, groundwork was laid by his ruthlessness. Our ex-players may whine and cry about his coaching/management but they are entitled prima donnas, who cares what they have to say? They all want to be treated like royalty despite abject performance, just like mid-2000s we need a shakeup of the system in 2020. Tougher now because media is pliant, social media is nuts, players have grown even more powerful and then we have the angle of sponsors, super-agents, IPL etc. More than fixing coach/captain/selectors if we cure the head of the organization everything else will fall in place. We need a cutthroat mean SOB from the corporate world (where targets have to be met) with political backing to lead BCCI, working to meet on-field targets and laying a blueprint for the future. Proper alpha we need now, needn't necessarily be Indian, challenge the inertia of the system, set high standards of accountability, put players/TM/selectors/admins/scouts/groundsmen/officials yada yada on notice and if necessary break them, nobody is indispensable. Edited September 1, 2020 by Gollum sergio04 and SK_IH 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 The kind of cricket england are playing Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 How we laughed at them after their 2015 WC exit!!!! Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gollum said: May be borderline blasphemous, but Greg Chappell was the need of the hour in mid-2000s, also bolder selectors then. Without him we wouldn't have enjoyed the success we got post-2007, groundwork was laid by his ruthlessness. Our ex-players may whine and cry about his coaching/management but they are entitled prima donnas, who cares what they have to say? They all want to be treated like royalty despite abject performance, just like mid-2000s we need a shakeup of the system in 2020. Tougher now because media is pliant, social media is nuts, players have grown even more powerful and then we have the angle of sponsors, super-agents, IPL etc. More than fixing coach/captain/selectors if we cure the head of the organization everything else will fall in place. We need a cutthroat mean SOB from the corporate world (where targets have to be met) with political backing to lead BCCI, working to meet on-field targets and laying a blueprint for the future. Proper alpha we need now, needn't necessarily be Indian, challenge the inertia of the system, set high standards of accountability, put players/TM/selectors/admins/scouts/groundsmen/officials yada yada on notice and if necessary break them, nobody is indispensable. Winning 2002 CT, being in final of 2003 WC and beating Pak in Pak for first time gives that team that sense of entitlement Edited September 1, 2020 by coffee_rules Link to comment
SK_IH Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Gollum said: May be borderline blasphemous, but Greg Chappell was the need of the hour in mid-2000s, also bolder selectors then. Without him we wouldn't have enjoyed the success we got post-2007, groundwork was laid by his ruthlessness. Our ex-players may whine and cry about his coaching/management but they are entitled prima donnas, who cares what they have to say? They all want to be treated like royalty despite abject performance, just like mid-2000s we need a shakeup of the system in 2020. Tougher now because media is pliant, social media is nuts, players have grown even more powerful and then we have the angle of sponsors, super-agents, IPL etc. More than fixing coach/captain/selectors if we cure the head of the organization everything else will fall in place. We need a cutthroat mean SOB from the corporate world (where targets have to be met) with political backing to lead BCCI, working to meet on-field targets and laying a blueprint for the future. Proper alpha we need now, needn't necessarily be Indian, challenge the inertia of the system, set high standards of accountability, put players/TM/selectors/admins/scouts/groundsmen/officials yada yada on notice and if necessary break them, nobody is indispensable. I think most of Greg Chappell resentment came from that "Ganguly is the bestest captain gang". During his tenure, India finally moved on from tried & tested approach of top heavy to being a rounded team. Gambhir, Dhoni, Raina, Pathan were given more chances & responsibilities. Even Yuvi was exalted to a mainstream middle order role and he prospered. If the status quo was maintained back then, all would have waxed lyrical about Greg Chappell also. India once again needs to shake the status quo as you said and change the culture the team has adapted in last few years. The best way to start the shakeup is break the hegemony of top 3 and bring in the likes of Pant/Shaw to open along with Rohit. Gollum and sergio04 2 Link to comment
cricketfan28 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Probably won't happen. Link to comment
Stan AF Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Isn't this old news??. He was even dropped from the ODI squad in 2018 and he had to comeback and score 2 100's against India to warrant selection in the team. Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 They play a completely different brand of cricket. Most of the batters they've got are dynamic They play ramp, scoops, reverse sweeps, switch hits which we don't see from Indians. Apart from Rahul & Pant we don't have that kind of batsmen. Nitish Rana needs to play Asap in Indian T20 line up. That kind of talent should not be wasted. Also I hope Abdul Samad does well this IPl. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 19 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: well done ....they shud look at Banton at 3 they already have to many options for top - bairstrow, roy,butler, banton Also high times stokes bat at 4 or else he is a waste in t20 Let's not forget Alex Hales who will be available later. Link to comment
Suhaan Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 19 hours ago, SK_IH said: England is slowly aping the Australian model. I remember when Healy & Taylor were sidelined from ODIs after a disastrous home tri series against Pak & WI. Thereafter, certain frailties were identified & specific personnel were backed to get results & results they got. England is treading the same path under Morgan, they are looking for the best possible options & not names. This is a great recipe for success. Mind you Root is no slouch but he is not there best option for the format in so far as English selectors are concerned. Meanwhile in India, Rahane is looking to coming back in ODIs and till about this year start Dhoni had an apparent dream of playing T20 world cup. No doubt why Indian cricket is so bland & regressive under King Kohli. England has no Mumbai lobby,most notorious zone known for its lobbying , Csk lobbyist gave them tough competition result we saw India giving nose diving performances Clueles Bollywood Kohli only helps those lobbyists, boards like Eng,Aus dont give a phuck to them Stan AF 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Roy Bairstrow Banton/root/malan Stokes Morgon Butler Ali Sam curran/willey/tom curran Jordon/wood/woakes Rashid Archer Bowling i still feel is not the best but batting can chase anything , wud be surprised if they dont make it into next year t20 final Stan AF 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Root has no place in the XI. Banton is a top order player. As long as it is opening or #3 i'm cool with that. Any other position is wasting his talent. Link to comment
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