Navdeep Saini is overrated.

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, Bhoot said:

Hiding and playing with injury if u know you arre not fit.. That is an even bigger crime than bowling poorly. 

 

Essentially you are putting your team on the backfoot playing with 10 players. 

 

So no that excuse doesn't work too. Why did he come on the tour if he wasn't fit? Should have opted out rather than taking up one spot from someone like Tyagi. 

 

 

The team knew about all the injuries but wanted Saini on the tour. Saini did not hide any of the injuries. The fans are not making up any of the injuries either. Please check the 3 links below.

 

 

1)   The split webbing happened while playing for RCB.  It was an impact injury while trying to field off his own bowling.  Kohli knew about it and their team physio was monitoring it.  He recovered before the tour.

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-2020-royal-challengers-bangalore-s-navdeep-saini-suffers-split-webbing-in-bowling-hand-1237252%3fplatform=amp

 

 

2)  The back spasm before the 1st ODI was again known by the team and Natarajan was added as a cover in the ODI squad due to this reason.

 

But Saini was still played by the TM In the first ODI.

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outlookindia.com/website/amp/sports-news-tour-of-australia-t-natarajan-added-to-indian-odi-squad-as-navdeep-sainis-cover/365517

 

 

3)  The groin injury happened while bowling in the 4th test. Again, everyone saw it on TV.

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/sports/more-injury-worries-for-india-navdeep-saini-complains-of-groin-pain-goes-off-field/amp_articleshow/80279773.cms

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by express bowling

[Bhoot]

9 minutes ago, Soldier said:

Maybe. But we need to already give him a full series before judging him.

 

He did well in ranji tbh..

 

Avgn 28 is not doing well in FC 

[Bhoot]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

The team knew about all the injuries but wanted Saini on the tour. Saini did not hide any of the injuries. The fans are not making up any of the injuries either. Please check the 3 links below.

 

 

1)   The split webbing happened while playing for RCB.  It was an impact injury while tryingbto field off his own bowling.  Kohli knew about it and their team physio was monitoring it.

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espncricinfo.com/story/ipl-2020-royal-challengers-bangalore-s-navdeep-saini-suffers-split-webbing-in-bowling-hand-1237252%3fplatform=amp

 

 

2)  The back spasm before the 1st ODI was again known by the team and Natarajan was added as a cover in the ODI squad due to this reason.

 

But Saini was still played by the TM In the first ODI.

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outlookindia.com/website/amp/sports-news-tour-of-australia-t-natarajan-added-to-indian-odi-squad-as-navdeep-sainis-cover/365517

 

 

3)  The groin injury happened while bowling in the 4th test. Again, everyone saw it on TV.

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/sports/more-injury-worries-for-india-navdeep-saini-complains-of-groin-pain-goes-off-field/amp_articleshow/80279773.cms

 

Good posts. 

 

But if you go to such and important tour unfit you r setting urself up for a career ending tour. R u telling me he has no say what so ever if he is not in condition to play? Other than the groin injury i dnt blv the other injuries were serious enough to blame poor performances on it. 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Bhoot

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, Bhoot said:

Good posts. 

 

But if you go to such and important tour unfit you r setting urself up for a career ending tour. R u telling me he has no say what so ever if he is not in condition to play? Other than the groin injury i dnt blv the other injuries were serious enough to blame poor performances on it. 

 

 

 

What happened was  ... he recovered from the split webbing before the tour but his bowling rhythm was broken as he could not practice either bowling or fitness training for a few crucial days before the tour. 

 

This would not have mattered much if he did not get the back spasms.

 

IMHO ... this whole mess has been created because he was played in the first ODI by the TM despite known back spasms. This must have aggravated the issue as well as impacted his confidence due to poor performances in the ODIs.

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by express bowling

[Gollum]

10 hours ago, rahulrulezz said:

Saini has disappointed me. 
 

if only we played Kuldeep instead of Saini, we would have had longer tail and thousand times better bowler. 

Feel for Kuly man. They are ruining a potential ATG's confidence by playing random T20 specialists above him. Why even take him in the squad if you only want to torture him? Never expected this from Rahane. 

 

Kuly had a huge impact in the 2017 Dharamsala test and last time he played red ball cricket down under this happened

Edited January 18, 2021 by Gollum

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Bhoot said:

Hiding and playing with injury if u know you arre not fit.. That is an even bigger crime than bowling poorly. 

 

Essentially you are putting your team on the backfoot playing with 10 players. 

 

No one knws before getting into match if ur going to get injured, no one understand how much healing has happened

 

1 hour ago, Bhoot said:

 

So no that excuse doesn't work too. Why did he come on the tour if he wasn't fit? Should have opted out rather than taking up one spot from someone like Tyagi. 

 

u dnt sit out for a split webbing, tyagi kid hasnt even played Fc 

 

[Real McCoy]

12 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Feel for Kuly man. They are ruining a potential ATG's confidence by playing random T20 specialists above him. Why even take him in the squad if you only want to torture him? Never expected this from Rahane. 

 

Kuly had a huge impact in the 2017 Dharamsala test and last time he played red ball cricket down under this happened

Agree. Kuly could have played instead of Nattu. But probably Rahane was thinking not to injure him ahead of the Eng series. Already jadeja is not there for the first two tests. Ashwin is questionable. With the rate of attrition of this squad, that may be the only reason why he is not playing. Or maybe Rahane is an idiot who knows .

[Real McCoy]

Saini may or may not turn out to be great for us. But its too early to judge him. Looks to me that he needs pitch assistance to help him out. He created the edge of Labuschagne which rahane dropped in the first innings. Also seems to be carrying a niggle. I wonder whether our fitness standards are not upto par in these times considering Aussie bowlers look fresh as a daisy.

[neel roy]

7 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Agree. Kuly could have played instead of Nattu. But probably Rahane was thinking not to injure him ahead of the Eng series. Already jadeja is not there for the first two tests. Ashwin is questionable. With the rate of attrition of this squad, that may be the only reason why he is not playing. Or maybe Rahane is an idiot who knows .

I m sure Ashwin will be fit. He ll have 3 weeks to rest for the back spasm

[express bowling]

28 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Feel for Kuly man. They are ruining a potential ATG's confidence by playing random T20 specialists above him. Why even take him in the squad if you only want to torture him? Never expected this from Rahane. 

 

Kuly had a huge impact in the 2017 Dharamsala test and last time he played red ball cricket down under this happened

 

 

After taking a five-for in Sydney 2 years back, I don't think Kuldeep has played a single test.

 

A wrist spinner averaging 24 in tests does not deserve this treatment.

 

 

 

[Real McCoy]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

After taking a five-for in Sydney 2 years back, I don't think Kuldeep has played a single test.

 

A wrist spinner averaging 24 in tests does not deserve this treatment.

 

 

 

I'm a big Kuldeep fan. I would have played him ahead of Saini in Sydney and Nattu in Gabba. Saini could have debuted in pace friendly Gabba than the road in SCG. Could have improved his confidence level and not sustain this niggle in the first innings this test.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, Bhoot said:

Read through the comments.. As per supporters he was injured from the ipl.. So that means he played the lois with injury too also the last test. Which affects the team directly... Either that or it's just a coping mechanism or making excuse. 

 

I repeat nothing against his performance im second innings..but him bowling poorly through out the tour has nothing to do with injury. 

They all had to remain inside the covid bubble.He was taken to Australia to cover any injury to first choice attack?It wasn't his fault if he got selected,ok the order of priority before this tour was as follows-

Bumrah

Shami

Ishant

Umesh

Siraj/Saini

Shardul

Tyagi (he wasn't even in the squad,he was sent alongside the squad , hasn't played FC much either, still i would have preferred him here)

Saini was preferred because he did quite well for last 2-3 years consistently across Ranji and Deodhar trophy,

There is no excuse that he has underperformed on this tour,but it doesn't mean he has disappointed his team by hiding his injury

Edited January 18, 2021 by Suhaan

[Soldier]

6 hours ago, Bhoot said:

Avgn 28 is not doing well in FC 

Look at his 2019 2020 stats Brom it's under 24 iirc. 

[ComfortFood]

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[Pollack]

10 hours ago, ComfortFood said:

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Why? Saini was a very good prospect. Injury screwed him I guess. He still is okay not as good as before.

[rkt.india]

48 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Why? Saini was a very good prospect. Injury screwed him I guess. He still is okay not as good as before.

He bowled brilliantly against SA A, probably the best from India and should have been picked for this series.

[Jay]

Very strange remarks from some of the good posters here. How can you say he is useless. Saini bowled brilliantly vs SA A. He was better than Jansen. He played vs the likes or sarel erwee and peter malan. Both average 40 plus in domestics of s Africa A. Next in line for a call. We'll malan maybe not anymore but definitely erwee. 

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Now that he is a cover for Siraj for the ODIs, will they at least give him the entire series? or will Dravid prefer the trundler factory of Bhuvi and Chahar?

 

Bumrah shouldn't be playing any of these games despite being named the VC, Shardul should rest as well having played 3 back to back tests. Too risky to play Siraj with his hamstring issue.

 

Give Prasidh and Saini a go please, even if they fail it's still okay.

[Jay]

40 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Now that he is a cover for Siraj for the ODIs, will they at least give him the entire series? or will Dravid prefer the trundler factory of Bhuvi and Chahar?

 

Bumrah shouldn't be playing any of these games despite being named the VC, Shardul should rest as well having played 3 back to back tests. Too risky to play Siraj with his hamstring issue.

 

Give Prasidh and Saini a go please, even if they fail it's still okay.

They won't. Now we have some super league format points for odi as well

[Suhaan]

56 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Now that he is a cover for Siraj for the ODIs, will they at least give him the entire series? or will Dravid prefer the trundler factory of Bhuvi and Chahar?

Certain ,it will happen

Chahar Bhuvi will lead the attack

Edited January 13, 2022 by Suhaan