Pujara - Rahane - Vihari

[Trichromatic]

6 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Pujara will bat the way he knows how to bat. He won the series for India almost singlehandedly last time. These type of grinding knocks are priceless in test cricket as you also wear out opposition bowlers. But probably need someone at the other end to balance things a bit with a more positive approach, like Kohli or even KL Rahul but he too got injured before this test.

 

Even Pujara doesn't bat like this. This was his slowest fifty. So it was struggling knock even by his own standards. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Pujara will bat the way he knows how to bat. He won the series for India almost singlehandedly last time. These type of grinding knocks are priceless in test cricket as you also wear out opposition bowlers. But probably need someone at the other end to balance things a bit with a more positive approach, like Kohli or even KL Rahul but he too got injured before this test.

 

not he didnt win it single handedly, 

Pant avg 58

kohli 40

Mayank 65

 

Bumrah took 21 wkts, shami 16 , ishant 11 having played one test less

 

Its a down right insult to other players , series are won by team not one player

[Vk1]

Pujara's methods seem good only if he is scoring 100s.. he has regressed a lot as a batsman and its baffling that it has coincided with Rahane's downfall. Playing with these two for another 3-4 years will not at all help in our SENA targets.

[kubrickian]

19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

not he didnt win it single handedly, 

Pant avg 58

kohli 40

Mayank 65

 

Bumrah took 21 wkts, shami 16 , ishant 11 having played one test less

 

Its a down right insult to other players , series are won by team not one player

 

I meant batting wise. Other batsmen batted around him. He blunted the bowling attack by seeing off the new ball and also grinding their seamers and made the biggest contribution . Go ask Aussie team if you have any doubt.

[kubrickian]

22 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Even Pujara doesn't bat like this. This was his slowest fifty. So it was struggling knock even by his own standards. 

 

That's because of the nature of the pitch, which is quite slow. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, kubrickian said:

 

I meant batting wise. Other batsmen batted around him. He blunted the bowling attack by seeing off the new ball and also grinding their seamers and made the biggest contribution . Go ask Aussie team if you have any doubt.

 

Even aussie team will tell u that he didnt win singlehandely. When everyone contributes then the hero shines. Kohli also piled on runs in 2015 series but others didnt contribute. Had pujara also scored alone or one more guy contributed it wont have been a win. Its a win when team contributes specially bowler who didnt let opp score unlike 2014 where kohli scored but smith scored even more. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

 

I meant batting wise. Other batsmen batted around him. He blunted the bowling attack by seeing off the new ball and also grinding their seamers and made the biggest contribution . Go ask Aussie team if you have any doubt.

So say big contribution not single handedly.

[Frustrated]

9 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

 

That's because of the nature of the pitch, which is quite slow. 

Nature of the pitch is not slow.  Australia batted 105 overs , scored 338.  (@3.3 runs per over)

India batted almost the same no of overs and scored only 244.  (@2 runs per over)

 

In  the 2nd inning , Australia are batting @4 runs per over, and still not losing any wickets.

[kubrickian]

5 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Nature of the pitch is not slow.  Australia batted 105 overs , scored 338.  (@3.3 runs per over)

India batted almost the same no of overs and scored only 244.  (@2 runs per over)

 

In  the 2nd inning , Australia are batting @4 runs per over, and still not losing any wickets.

One one hand, you have a depleted bowling attack with 2 debutants, one other you have a world class bowling attack in their home conditions. Not to  mention, Aussies batted on first day when pitch was best for batting, then lost 8 wickets for 170 runs in second day. In their second innings, they already have a big lead, so pressure will be on bowlers from first over and virtually no pressure on batsmen.

Edited January 9, 2021 by kubrickian

[goose]

To bat like Pujara your % dismissals in 40-90 run range must be a couple of notches below other typical batsman. I wonder what  the stats are for Dravid and other players.

[Jodonjo]

If pujara had survived for another 100 balls and scored a century of 300 balls then we wouldnt be critical of his approach...I am sure in hindsight his innings will have no impact whatsoever but it had a potential to be match winning one

[rtmohanlal]

3 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Pujara's methods seem good only if he is scoring 100s.. he has regressed a lot as a batsman and its baffling that it has coincided with Rahane's downfall. Playing with these two for another 3-4 years will not at all help in our SENA targets.

this .....  grinders like Pujara are useful only if they  make sure to make up for their slow starts  later in the inns. For instance take Dravid .... He started slowly in general  only to make sure he did exactly the same. That's why Dravid & Pujara are poles apart when it comes to SENA +WI record.  Apart from the previous AUS series Pujara has been down right pathetic in this regard to say the least. He is killing the momentum of the entire inns by getting out even after consuming so many balls . 

Other stroke players are supposed to extract  confidence from such grinders because  these grinders are generally supposed to tire down the opposition bowlers so that  they would be  forced to bowl loose balls to other stroke makers .  With Pujara being the grinder, exactly opposite happens lot more often,He gets out so early and the stroke players gets out to quality deliveries so early in their inns  &  follows in the procession. Thus Pujara kills the entire momentum. If we need to  win more matches in SENA, we need to find a left right perfect blend of stroke makers

along with a  more technically compact  grinder or 2. For me the 2 openers should be such compact grinders followed by stroke players. 

[zen]

3 hours ago, kubrickian said:

 

I meant batting wise. Other batsmen batted around him. He blunted the bowling attack by seeing off the new ball and also grinding their seamers and made the biggest contribution . Go ask Aussie team if you have any doubt.

Some of these guys were writing against Pujara even before that series so may be it is difficult for them to accept that Pujara was the main architect of Ind’s win .... and try to do that during and before every series 

 

At Adelaide single handedly helped Ind with the lead (when Ind tends to lose the first test) .Did not score at Perth, Ind lost!  3rd test a strong 100 to hold an end up and then a big 100 in the 4th test, also tired the bowlers so much that even the guys down the order cashed in, to help Ind seal the series

Edited January 9, 2021 by zen

[Soldier]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

Some of these guys were writing against Pujara even before that series's so may be it is difficult for to accept that Pujara was the main architect of Ind’s win .... and try to do that in and before every series 

 

At Adelaide single handedly helped Ind with the lead (when Ind tends to lose the first test) .Did not score at Perth, Ind lost!  3rd test a strong 100 to hold an end up and then a big 100 in the 4th test, also tired the bowlers so much that even the guys down the order cashed in, to help Ind seal the series

Correct. Just needs to be partnered with a stroke maker though. Should play pant after Puji to keep the left right comb.

 

Then vihari or Mayank. After that jadeja. But now Jadeja is injured :(. 

 

[Gollum]

Vihari, Pujara approach is better if they open. Not against 40 overs old ball in perfect batting conditions. 

 

Next test drop Vihari, make Che open and push Rohit to MO. 

 

 

[GautiMaan]

6 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Vihari, Pujara approach is better if they open. Not against 40 overs old ball in perfect batting conditions. 

 

Next test drop Vihari, make Che open and push Rohit to MO. 

 

 

No reason why Vihari can’t open this test,he has done it before

[rtmohanlal]

18 minutes ago, zen said:

Some of these guys were writing against Pujara even before that series so may be it is difficult for them to accept that Pujara was the main architect of Ind’s win .... and try to do that during and before every series 

 

At Adelaide single handedly helped Ind with the lead (when Ind tends to lose the first test) .Did not score at Perth, Ind lost!  3rd test a strong 100 to hold an end up and then a big 100 in the 4th test, also tired the bowlers so much that even the guys down the order cashed in, to help Ind seal the series

you  seems soooo eager to defend Pujara  . For that your only reason is that  AUS series performance in 2018.  On either  sides of that  series ,  he has been a disaster.

That is exactly reflected by his SENA+ WI record till date,

[zen]

1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

you  seems soooo eager to defend Pujara  . For that your only reason is that  AUS series performance in 2018.  On either  sides of that  series ,  he has been a disaster.

That is exactly reflected by his SENA+ WI record till date,

Not really when accounting for batting in the top order - scored 132 not in Eng too 
 

[rtmohanlal]

7 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

No reason why Vihari can’t open this test,he has done it before

 Vihari & Pujara  needs to open in the next inns & in the last test ... both are grinders.... that is the only way  for any hope , 

[rtmohanlal]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Not really when accounting for batting in the top order - scored 132 not in Eng too 
 

in this decade(2011 - 2020)   India's only series win in SENA  was  in AUS series on 2018.    That tells a lot about his performance. No wonder he averages

like this in SENA for a test specialist.

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