What happened to Lyon?

[Serpico]

He took 6 wickets at 57.67 in the first three tests. Even Jadeja outbowled him in just two matches.. is he declining or has indian batsmen worked him out finally? Or is it just that pacers are taking all the wickets? 

 

in 2012 tour: played only 3 matches- 7 wicekts at 41

 

2014 tour: 23 wickets at 34.8

 

2018 tour: 21 wickets at 30.43

Edited January 12, 2021 by Serpico

[maniac]

He has still looked threatening in patches. Happens when you have a reputation team will work extra hard to not give you wickets and prepare better. Reason why Bumrah and Ashwin also haven’t got the returns they deserved for their bowling.

Edited January 12, 2021 by maniac

[zen]

Catches have gone down of his bowling (For e.g. Pant was dropped twice iirc) .... has created pressure from what I have seen. At times, the wkt has gone to the bowler at the other end 

[Serpico]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

He has still looked threatening in patches. Happens when you have a reputation team will work extra hard to not give you wickets and prepare better. Reason why Bumrah and Ashwin also haven’t got the returns they deserved for their bowling.

ashwin is actually having his best ever tour in australia though. And Cummins is having his best series against India and he is the no.1 bowler right now, can't have higher reputation

[Ankit_sharma03]

In last innings Pujara n pant didnt let him settle and ashwin gave a masterclass on how to play lyon. 

Pujara kept charging at him and pant just attacked him like sehwag wud attack a spinner. Gill also plays spin very well 

[maniac]

Also I think India can play spin better on spin friendly surfaces than on bouncy/pacy wickets. They tend to over attack spinners because they know they have a uphill battle against fast bowlers in those pitches.

 

Lyon should have been a bigger threat in pink ball game,MCG or will be at Gabba than he was at SCG. He was pretty good in the pink ball test too IIRC.

 

 

[neel roy]

Actually his myth has grown due to Saha s and Rohits crazy shots in adelaide chase in 2014.. india were cruising and then suddenly Vijay got out for 98 and everything fell apart. Stupid Rohit played an extravagant shot, Saha hit a six and again wanted to hit a six  and was stumped.. and india lost.. from that test he became a menace..

Edited January 12, 2021 by neel roy

[Laaloo]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In last innings Pujara n pant didnt let him settle and ashwin gave a masterclass on how to play lyon. 

Pujara kept charging at him and pant just attacked him like sehwag wud attack a spinner. Gill also plays spin very well 

Pujara looked clueless against lyon. There were so many bat pad catches that could have easily gone to the fielder as well as close low shouts where he didn’t offer shots. It wasn’t until Pant who just blasted him out of the attack. Australia would have walked all over us if it Pant played Lyon like pujara did. Yes I am aware of the dropped catch by Paine off of Pant.

[Lone Wolf]

I am sure Kohli would've struggled against him.  He has looked threatening for small periods but ultimately pacers are doing the damage.  Gill,  Pant like to use their feet against him & are getting successful.  Pujara looked like a walking wicket against him bar last inns where I think he finally found a way. 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

We have played him well so far.

 

Didn't realise he will be playing his 100,th test at Gabba. Such an amazing feat. Only the 5th specialist spinner to play 100+ tests after Warne, Murali, Kumble, Vettori and Bhajji.

[Serpico]

36 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Actually his myth has grown due to Saha s and Rohits crazy shots in adelaide chase in 2014.. india were cruising and then suddenly Vijay got out for 98 and everything fell apart. Stupid Rohit played an extravagant shot, Saha hit a six and again wanted to hit a six  and was stumped.. and india lost.. from that test he became a menace..

Rohit had a bat pad catch in adelaide chase

 

watch at 5:30 

 

 

[Trichromatic]

Even Jadeja?

[helperononline]

Fielding has been poor Lyon is still a threat

[Serpico]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Even Jadeja?

I meant jadeja played only 2 tests and 3 innings and still took more wickets. not that he is poor bowler

[Ankit_sharma03]

39 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Pujara looked clueless against lyon. There were so many bat pad catches that could have easily gone to the fielder as well as close low shouts where he didn’t offer shots. It wasn’t until Pant who just blasted him out of the attack. Australia would have walked all over us if it Pant played Lyon like pujara did. Yes I am aware of the dropped catch by Paine off of Pant.

Yea pujara did try to unsettle his line, on a 5th day wkt those edges will come.  Pujara approached it well this innings. Pant took him to cleaners coz he cud. But batsman charging down to him both sides didnt let him put it on one spot consistently.

[New guy]

Players like Pant are required to put these spinners in place. Do remember, most of our last inning collapses, even overseas, was triggered by spinners, some even part time spinners 

Edited January 12, 2021 by New guy

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In last innings Pujara n pant didnt let him settle and ashwin gave a masterclass on how to play lyon. 

Pujara kept charging at him and pant just attacked him like sehwag wud attack a spinner. Gill also plays spin very well 

Not Pujara...I saw Pujara batting against him and he never looked confident against Lyon. Had it not been pant we would have collapsed against Lyon.

[neel roy]

33 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Rohit had a bat pad catch in adelaide chase

 

watch at 5:30 

 

 

Oh gosh the pain.. how did we lose this match. Yes Rohit didnt play extravagant shot which he unfortunately played in Adelaide in 2018 first innings which we fortunately won. But this video brings back sad memories..pitch was not a minefield.. fast bowlers were being played with ease.. we should have won this.. but again who knows if India won it Dhoni might not have retired!!

Edited January 12, 2021 by neel roy

[Hojoborolo]

1 hour ago, Laaloo said:

Pujara looked clueless against lyon. There were so many bat pad catches that could have easily gone to the fielder as well as close low shouts where he didn’t offer shots. It wasn’t until Pant who just blasted him out of the attack. Australia would have walked all over us if it Pant played Lyon like pujara did. Yes I am aware of the dropped catch by Paine off of Pant.

catches -- plural, not singular

[neel roy]

24 minutes ago, New guy said:

Players like Pant are required to put these spinners in place. Do remember, most of our last inning collapses, even overseas, was triggered by spinners, some even part time spinners 

Even at home O keefe, Panesar, Swann,Shaun Udal ( incredible)..and Moeen Ali in England..and the most gutting one .. Herath ( we lost that match though we had a lead of 189 freaking runssss)