Fast bowling test averages for each country since 2015

[sage]

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, sage said:

 

 

 

And yet, experts casually say that Australia has the best fast bowling attack now.

 

India has achieved 2nd place despite playing 50% of our cricket on the slower Indian pitches. While SA has the advantage of quicker, bouncier pitches with much more seam movement.

 

And I think from 2018, India will lead the list.

 

 

[express bowling]

From 2018, India leads the list  ... our fast bowlers average just 22.62 with the ball.

 

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=team;orderby=bowling_average;spanmin1=01+Jan+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

[Stan AF]

I saw this stat earlier on reddit.  What is more impressive about our bowlers is that they have to share more wickets with ashwin and jadeja and still are 2nd on this list.

 

 

[sage]

Meanwhile express phast bowling country produces bowlers similar to Ishant Sharma career average 

Edited January 26, 2021 by sage

[Ankit_sharma03]

Skill Meets Fitness Meets Experience

 

Teams like Pakistan, SL are at bottom coz they lack fitness or experience. Most of their new guys come n disappear so they will keep at bottom mostly. 

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Skill Meets Fitness Meets Experience

 

Teams like Pakistan, SL are at bottom coz they lack fitness or experience. Most of their new guys come n disappear so they will keep at bottom mostly. 

 

 

India has become a fast bowling power in test matches from the time we have started to create a pool of 140 k+ pacers with skills and ability to sustain pace.

 

Sadly, this has not happened in white ball cricket though. Here, we mostly have either trundlers or 140 k+ pacers with inadequate skills for the shorter formats. (  Bumrah being the big exception )

 

Which is why I really want to find / develop 2 more 140 k+ pacers who have good yorkers, bouncers and slower balls.

Edited January 26, 2021 by express bowling

[Straight Drive]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

And yet, experts casually say that Australia has the best fast bowling attack now.

 

India has achieved 2nd place despite playing 50% of our cricket on the slower Indian pitches. While SA has the advantage of quicker, bouncier pitches with much more seam movement.

 

And I think from 2018, India will lead the list.

 

 

SA wickets have been very bowler friendly, som of them even were even likely to see stoppage of play due to bad bounce.

 

Indians really need to give due respect to Kapil and the current pacers a  lot for taking so many wickets which are   pace friendly. If Kapil was playing for England he would have taken 600 plus wicket instead of 434.

 

Shami would have been close to 250 by now if he was bowling in pace friendly conditions more.

[express bowling]

Bowling averages of pacers in AWAY and neutral venue tests ... from 2018

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=team;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin1=3;qualval1=matches;spanmin1=01+Jan+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

Bowling averages of pacers in HOME tests ... from 2018

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=1;filter=advanced;groupby=team;home_or_away=1;orderby=bowling_average;spanmin1=01+Jan+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

 

1. Indian fast bowlers lead by a significant amount, both home and away.

 

2. South African pacers have been awful away from home, amount strong pace attacks.

 

3. NZ, England and Australian pacers have been average away from home

 

4. Pakistani pacers have not been good.

Edited January 27, 2021 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

India has become a fast bowling power in test matches from the time we have started to create a pool of 140 k+ pacers with skills and ability to sustain pace.

 

Sadly, this has not happened in white ball cricket though. Here, we mostly have either trundlers or 140 k+ pacers with inadequate skills for the shorter formats. (  Bumrah being the big exception )

 

Which is why I really want to find / develop 2 more 140 k+ pacers who have good yorkers, bouncers and slower balls.

 Not just bowling its with batting as well , our understanding of LOI is still 10 yrs behind . We just dont get caught that often as teams around the world are crap and we have 5-6 high quality players. Even fielding looks down the then it was around 2011-13

Edited January 27, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[R!TTER]

12 hours ago, sage said:

Meanwhile express phast bowling country produces bowlers similar to Ishant Sharma career average 

Context is important - India's been good away, but actually much better (unexpectedly) at home, what you might've missed is that Oz still has some of the most unforgivable conditions at home for pacers. Also lots of stat padding by India/SA/Oz & especially NZ, Eng vs minnows 

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Team	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
South Africa	19	2015-2020	17	121	1853.5	438	5759	242	7/112	13/144	23.79	3.10	45.9	12	2
England	14	2015-2019	21	161	2437.1	524	7936	286	8/15	9/43	27.74	3.25	51.1	11	0
India	8	2015-2019	19	77	950.2	203	2656	94	5/35	6/59	28.25	2.79	60.6	2	0
Australia	16	2015-2021	23	152	2724.0	637	8115	284	6/27	9/97	28.57	2.97	57.5	9	0
New Zealand	12	2016-2020	11	78	1506.1	326	4404	152	6/32	9/99	28.97	2.92	59.4	7	0
West Indies	9	2015-2019	14	81	1295.4	329	3816	130	6/47	9/102	29.35	2.94	59.8	4	0

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Team	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
India	12	2015-2021	19	125	2067.1	410	6412	229	6/33	9/86	28.00	3.10	54.1	10	0
Australia	13	2015-2019	20	130	2116.2	473	6759	239	6/67	9/109	28.28	3.19	53.1	8	0
South Africa	14	2015-2019	17	91	1504.0	349	4575	154	6/77	9/118	29.70	3.04	58.5	4	0
England	16	2015-2020	22	147	2742.1	651	7766	225	6/17	9/100	34.51	2.83	73.1	7	0
Pakistan	13	2016-2021	21	120	2179.5	406	7389	196	5/68	8/64	37.69	3.38	66.7	2	0
New Zealand	10	2015-2020	13	84	1712.5	305	5497	140	5/60	9/162	39.26	3.20	73.4	4	0
Sri Lanka	15	2015-2021	20	127	2118.1	335	7571	192	6/122	9/115	39.43	3.57	66.1	6	0
West Indies	12	2015-2020	16	86	1536.0	289	5454	118	6/42	9/137	46.22	3.55	78.1	4	0

Edited January 27, 2021 by R!TTER

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Context is important - India's been good away, but actually much better (unexpectedly) at home, what you might've missed is that Oz still has some of the most unforgivable conditions at home for pacers. Also lots of stat padding by India/SA/Oz & especially NZ, Eng vs minnows 

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Team	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
South Africa	19	2015-2020	17	121	1853.5	438	5759	242	7/112	13/144	23.79	3.10	45.9	12	2
England	14	2015-2019	21	161	2437.1	524	7936	286	8/15	9/43	27.74	3.25	51.1	11	0
India	8	2015-2019	19	77	950.2	203	2656	94	5/35	6/59	28.25	2.79	60.6	2	0
Australia	16	2015-2021	23	152	2724.0	637	8115	284	6/27	9/97	28.57	2.97	57.5	9	0
New Zealand	12	2016-2020	11	78	1506.1	326	4404	152	6/32	9/99	28.97	2.92	59.4	7	0
West Indies	9	2015-2019	14	81	1295.4	329	3816	130	6/47	9/102	29.35	2.94	59.8	4	0

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India	12	2015-2021	19	125	2067.1	410	6412	229	6/33	9/86	28.00	3.10	54.1	10	0
Australia	13	2015-2019	20	130	2116.2	473	6759	239	6/67	9/109	28.28	3.19	53.1	8	0
South Africa	14	2015-2019	17	91	1504.0	349	4575	154	6/77	9/118	29.70	3.04	58.5	4	0
England	16	2015-2020	22	147	2742.1	651	7766	225	6/17	9/100	34.51	2.83	73.1	7	0
Pakistan	13	2016-2021	21	120	2179.5	406	7389	196	5/68	8/64	37.69	3.38	66.7	2	0
New Zealand	10	2015-2020	13	84	1712.5	305	5497	140	5/60	9/162	39.26	3.20	73.4	4	0
Sri Lanka	15	2015-2021	20	127	2118.1	335	7571	192	6/122	9/115	39.43	3.57	66.1	6	0
West Indies	12	2015-2020	16	86	1536.0	289	5454	118	6/42	9/137	46.22	3.55	78.1	4	0

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[kubrickian]

If we prepare more seamer friendly wickets at home(which we have been doing on occasions like Dharamsala against Aus), Ind bowlers will continue to be on top. But we are not ready to give away home advantage. At least, we should prepare two seamer friendly pitches each series, so fast bowlers also get good conditions  to bowl in and batsmen also get tested against seamers at home conditions as well. Will help in the long run.

[putrevus]

15 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

SA wickets have been very bowler friendly, som of them even were even likely to see stoppage of play due to bad bounce.

 

Indians really need to give due respect to Kapil and the current pacers a  lot for taking so many wickets which are   pace friendly. If Kapil was playing for England he would have taken 600 plus wicket instead of 434.

 

Shami would have been close to 250 by now if he was bowling in pace friendly conditions more.

Kapil's record in England is terrible. I think it is over 37.

[putrevus]

If only batting especially openers and Batsmen could do their job, we could have won in SA and England.Bowling has been carrying this team overseas. Even in Australia more than batting it is the bowling which won them the series.

[Serpico]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

If only batting especially openers and Batsmen could do their job, we could have won in SA and England.Bowling has been carrying this team overseas. Even in Australia more than batting it is the bowling which won them the series.

while it is true, our top order didn't cover themselves in glory, they did pretty similar to how English top order did.

 

Avg 29 vs 31

 

 

 

What really made the difference was the contributions from lower order.. whopping 11 vs 22

 

 

 

The problem is twofold here. Our bowlers and captain don't know what to do when they don't have explicit plans against batsmen i.e., tailenders and our bowlers can't add anything with the bat. We can have one no.11 in the team but 9 and 10 should have pandya/thakur/bhuvi level batsmen. Or maybe Siraj's batting can be further developed since he could swing the bat well in B-G series. We saw that with adequate planning even thakur level bowler can be valuable 

 

 

[New guy]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

If only batting especially openers and Batsmen could do their job, we could have won in SA and England.Bowling has been carrying this team overseas. Even in Australia more than batting it is the bowling which won them the series.

Part of the reason batting failed was because of tinkering and  insecurity. Under kohli and TM, none of the bowlers, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, wven Yadav were insecure. In fact they are treated like stars

 

Meanwhile lots of upcoming batsmen were treated very badly and most of they are still insecure about their place. Young batsmen like rahul, pant, all were mismanaged. Even Pujara was targeted. No batsman can be consistent under that environment 

[King6]

17 minutes ago, New guy said:

Part of the reason batting failed was because of tinkering and  insecurity. Under kohli and TM, none of the bowlers, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, wven Yadav were insecure. In fact they are treated like stars

 

Meanwhile lots of upcoming batsmen were treated very badly and most of they are still insecure about their place. Young batsmen like rahul, pant, all were mismanaged. Even Pujara was targeted. No batsman can be consistent under that environment 

Why pujara not feeling insecurity in 2018 aus series under Kohli captaincy. Pujara well performed in aus and mos in that series. Why pujara insecure in England tour and NZ tour?. May be in eng and bz swing and seam more. That's why our batsman failed there. Yeah  they feeled insecure beacuse swing and seam. Rishab Pant with insecurity he scored 2 hundreds in os.

[R!TTER]

39 minutes ago, Serpico said:

have pandya/thakur/bhuvi level batsmen.

Pandya played 4 (5?) tests, didn't do * all in anything but one innings. He was one of the reasons why our team composition was bad, as an "A/R" he should have bowled more or we should ideally have picked Jadeja wherever possible!

[New guy]

35 minutes ago, King6 said:

Why pujara not feeling insecurity in 2018 aus series under Kohli captaincy. Pujara well performed in aus and mos in that series. Why pujara insecure in England tour and NZ tour?. May be in eng and bz swing and seam more. That's why our batsman failed there. Yeah  they feeled insecure beacuse swing and seam. Rishab Pant with insecurity he scored 2 hundreds in os.

Pujara performed despite being inseucre. Great players can do that. But its an additional handicap which batters have to face for no reason except their captain's likes and dislikes