England’s rotation policy is slowly building a army of amazing cricketers- Dale Steyn

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

[sage]

In LOIs definitely some formidable players in the second, third tier ranks. not sure about tests.

[Suhaan]

Salute their forsightedness,polar opposite to our approach where our top 3 appears in each and every loi series irrespective of opponents

Selectors keep picking wrong players for wrong formats also doesn't help

Edited February 21, 2021 by Suhaan

[Nikhil_cric]

They manage player workloads the best nowadays. High time we followed something similar.

[SK_IH]

12 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Salute their forsightedness,polar opposite to our approach where our top 3 appears in each and every loi series irrespective of opponents

Selectors keep picking wrong players for wrong formats also doesn't help

I remember Morgan dropping himself to accommodate a fringe player. That's why he won the world cup, a man with foresight and selflessness. As you said polar opposite of King Kohli. 

[raki05]

2 hours ago, SK_IH said:

I remember Morgan dropping himself to accommodate a fringe player. That's why he won the world cup, a man with foresight and selflessness. As you said polar opposite of King Kohli. 

King doesn't drop himself even against bd, hapless slankan and kesric williams led bowling attack even in t20s. Actually that's his hunting ground now a days.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Here our best batsman performance has started to get affected by Captaincy in every format 

We won the greatest series in history with almost a B team, yet we dont learn 

[Jay]

We cannot drop players due to marketing reasons. People pay money to watch stars. Our star players put butts on seats. Hence they will be forced to play. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

We cannot drop players due to marketing reasons. People pay money to watch stars. Our star players put butts on seats. Hence they will be forced to play. 

Create more stars

[Jay]

29 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Create more stars

Not possible unless our seniors let our juniors get chances right? Kohli and co would not let young ins star. 

[SK_IH]

In T20 cricket, England have moved past Root, Aus looking beyond Steve Smith & NZ have moved past Taylor but India with so many options available stuck with that thigh slapper Dhawan.

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

Not possible unless our seniors let our juniors get chances right? Kohli and co would not let young ins star. 

 

No these guys are quite secure, this was in pakistan not india. Rohit is the most secure n helpful guy . Kohli again isnt insecure kind of person, he is foolish but not insecure.

[Jay]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

No these guys are quite secure, this was in pakistan not india. Rohit is the most secure n helpful guy . Kohli again isnt insecure kind of person, he is foolish but not insecure.

Alright. That's fair. But seniority culture still exists in India to be honest. It is what it is I suppose. 

[RajBan]

58 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Create more stars

Not great for the big corporates. Why will Ambani want a competitor for Rohit for example. He has to spend double the money. It is the selectors and board who need to make it a rational system rather than catering to big corporates and lobbies.

 

[sage]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

We cannot drop players due to marketing reasons. People pay money to watch stars. Our star players put butts on seats. Hence they will be forced to play. 

Yes England's advantage is that cricket is not the most popular sport and most supporters only care about Ashes and World Cups. Allows them to experiment in between a lot 

[G_B_]

The issue is rigidly sticking to a policy.

 

England can get away with rotation at home or to tours of Ireland. 

 

Wtc finals are on offer for England.  Why not go for it? Why would you rotate on a tough tour of India?

 

Its the rigidity which is the issue. India too rotate due to injury or anything else. We have had players like Sunder Thakur Natrajan come in and shine. Axar has stepped in.

 

 

[Jay]

1 minute ago, G_B_ said:

The issue is rigidly sticking to a policy.

 

England can get away with rotation at home or to tours of Ireland. 

 

Wtc finals are on offer for England.  Why not go for it? Why would you rotate on a tough tour of India?

 

Its the rigidity which is the issue. India too rotate due to injury or anything else. We have had players like Sunder Thakur Natrajan come in and shine. Axar has stepped in.

 

 

Rotation after every 2 or 3 tests is fine. But a professional test cricketer imo shouldn't even bother playing if they can't play more than 2 tests in a row. 2 tests at least unless you are badly hurt.

 

Bumrah's case was different. He played with an abdominal strain etc in Australia etc so they don't want to risk an injury as we are already missing Shami and Umesh. 

 

In 2018 we had mainly the same team come in wallop Australia in a 4 test series because everyone was in prime for.

 

Very lucky for Australia to get away with a 2-1 loss. Should have been 3 -1. 

[G_B_]

See india needs to reach a place where its loi and test squads have differing personel.

 

Pujara Rahane Vihari Ishant Ashwin Umesh I doubt will play for the Loi team in the coming years. You can add Saha to the mix if Pant rested for tests against a weaker opponent at home.

 

The players with significant overlap at the moment are Rohit Kohli Jadeja Bumrah and Pant. These players workload need to be managed. From what i can see Kohli took a break due to birth of daughter,  Jadeja is getting a break due to finger injury, Rohit took a break by not playing the first few tests v Aus. Bumrah is being rested for nearly every alternate test. 

 

Likes of Thakur Sunder Shaw Pandya Shami Kl Rahul, Axar Agarwal are not 100% starters in tests or odis. For eg Axar may play at home but will he play tests away to England or Sa with Ash around? Doubtful.

 

So india too is doing same thing as England. Its just that its not that rigid or set in stone.

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

39 minutes ago, RajBan said:

Not great for the big corporates. Why will Ambani want a competitor for Rohit for example. He has to spend double the money. It is the selectors and board who need to make it a rational system rather than catering to big corporates and lobbies.

 

Corporates also has to make stars, Rohit wont stay forever so they need kishan, Pandya, Bumrah to be marketable till a stage and who complains about more stars.

[RajBan]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Corporates also has to make stars, Rohit wont stay forever so they need kishan, Pandya, Bumrah to be marketable till a stage and who complains about more stars.

Agree. They will try their best to phase out current ones automatically when they see they have nothing more to gain while the newer crop is potentially moving up. Just that they will try their best to moderate that timing (eg: Pant would have been required to wait for some more months if Dhoni would not have retired and still in contention) to ensure they get the most out of current generation commercially speaking. That's where BCCI have a role to play to ensure merit precedes interests of state associations or corporate bias. Unfortunately or fortunately BCCI is itself part of the same fabric.