To compensate for Test#3 wicket, if India prepares 'patta wicket' in the 4th Test, if we lose toss, it will be repeat of Test #1

[Samcric]

17 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

No it won't be repeat of test #1.

 

England is dependent on only 1 batsman - Root.

 

Nadeem was absolutely useless in first test. Axar is far better than him.

 

 

Too many loose balls by Nadeem in the Chennai test. And got swept a lot. Hopefully, Axar can at least control the flow of runs if track has less turn. Should also be more difficult to sweep. 

[New guy]

On 2/25/2021 at 7:47 PM, rangeelaraja said:

I hope we don't make the mistake of creating a 'patta wicket' for the 4th Test. 

 

Given our propensity to loss toss in key games and choke in knockouts, it would be a repeat of Test #1 

You know there are a million kind of pitches between patta and rank turners? There was not a single patta in last 5 years  in India but suddenly people are pretending our only option are a patta or rank turners? 

Edited February 27, 2021 by New guy

[New guy]

Bumrah has now asked to be released. Such pitches are an insult to our fast bowlers. But no, let's demotivate and destroy our pace bowlers and go back to the 90s era 

[sandeep]

13 hours ago, Jay said:

I think india were just too relaxed post gabba victory. Paid for it. 

 

 

naah, the pitch was bit too flat on D1 and D2, and Root played well.  Nadeem disappointed bigtime, and then our first innings batting was a bit complacent and unlucky(Pujara).  I'm not going to make silly assumptions about the professionalism of the team, especially with zero evidence.

[neel roy]

2 hours ago, New guy said:

Bumrah has now asked to be released. Such pitches are an insult to our fast bowlers. But no, let's demotivate and destroy our pace bowlers and go back to the 90s era 

Wait Dont draw inferences without knowing the fact. He might have personal issues. He has had family issues in past where his grandfather was disowned and all and it led to media coverage.. lets respect his privacy.. this has nothing to do with pitch

[Jay]

9 minutes ago, sandeep said:

naah, the pitch was bit too flat on D1 and D2, and Root played well.  Nadeem disappointed bigtime, and then our first innings batting was a bit complacent and unlucky(Pujara).  I'm not going to make silly assumptions about the professionalism of the team, especially with zero evidence.

the team is definitely professional no doubt. I feel like they underestimated england though in the first test. england, dont get me wrong, is a very good team. just not good enough to beat india away or in any condition apart from seaming green wickets of england. Even there they would need luck in terms of tosses. 

[New guy]

43 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Wait Dont draw inferences without knowing the fact. He might have personal issues. He has had family issues in past where his grandfather was disowned and all and it led to media coverage.. lets respect his privacy.. this has nothing to do with pitch

If Bumrah was integral to last test, he would never ever have taken a leave. He didn't bowl a single ball in second innings. He is used to leading the attack. 

[New guy]

37 minutes ago, Jay said:

the team is definitely professional no doubt. I feel like they underestimated england though in the first test. england, dont get me wrong, is a very good team. just not good enough to beat india away or in any condition apart from seaming green wickets of england. Even there they would need luck in terms of tosses. 

Thing is, if pitch is flat in first 3 days, then turns big time, it gives the team batting first 10x advantage, which is difficult to overcome 

[Jay]

Just now, New guy said:

Thing is, if pitch is flat in first 3 days, then turns big time, it gives the team batting first 10x advantage, which is difficult to overcome 

very true. thats why when we bat second, we have to score big. if england score 500, we need to put 600 like we did in 2016. monster runs.

[R!TTER]

Just now, New guy said:

There was not a single patta in last 5 years  in India

What's a "patta" according to you? Chennai 2016 wasn't one, or Ranchi 2017, Delhi 2017 even?

[New guy]

1 hour ago, neel roy said:

Wait Dont draw inferences without knowing the fact. He might have personal issues. He has had family issues in past where his grandfather was disowned and all and it led to media coverage.. lets respect his privacy.. this has nothing to do with pitch

Here is quote from cricinfo 

 

ESPNcricinfo understands that Bumrah has been allowed to rest as part of the team's plan for managing the players as well as their workloads. This is keeping in mind (a) life in the bio-secure bubbles during the Covid-19 pandemic, and (b) the packed schedule for the rest of the year, starting with the white-ball segment of the England series, the IPL, a possible World Test Championship final in June, followed by five Tests in England from July, and then the T20 World Cup in October-November.

 

its nothing to do with family or private matters 

[nevada]

55 minutes ago, Jay said:

very true. thats why when we bat second, we have to score big. if england score 500, we need to put 600 like we did in 2016. monster runs.

Barring Rohit, none of our senior batters are in daddy hundred kind of form and are actually in decline.  Answering 400 with 600 seems like a thing  of the past now.

[Sonix768]

Just now, nevada said:

Barring Rohit, none of our senior batters are in daddy hundred kind of form and are actually in decline.  Answering 400 with 600 seems like a thing  of the past now.

Yeah.. I dont remember when was the last time we scored a 400. 

[neel roy]

8 minutes ago, Sonix768 said:

Yeah.. I dont remember when was the last time we scored a 400. 

Against South Africa. Since then we havent scored anything near it. 

[rtmohanlal]

yes... definitely it can happen because our middle order is Pujara , Kohli & Rahane ...for too long they have been riding on the  all round brilliance of 'Ashwin  Jadeja  combo' and also on the nothing to loose attitude of rookies Pant,Gill,Karun Nair ,Vihari ,Mayank ,Shaw etc  etc... Now with  Jadeja  not playing  and Ashwin  generally not at his prime as  a  batsman   it can be repeat of the 1st test unless rookies Pant & Gill rises to the occasion ...

[SK_IH]

It's reaching disgusting levels now. First, people were dissatisfied with the victory and now telling us the "fast" bowlers are feeling let down. BC hadh hai.These are professional cricketers, they don't have mood swings based on pitches. 

People will abuse the team if they lose, they will abuse the pitch if their fantasies of a utopian victory are not satisfied. 

[zen]

Eng would be going for a win (would not care for a loss) ... so if the pitch remains relatively good for batting and Eng is batting 4th, it can push for a win (likes of Stokes could be due for a memorable knock under pressure) ... on the other hand, if Ind is batting 4th, it could be under pressure w/ WTC place on the cards, preferring to first draw the game (early wkts could open up opportunities to put pressure on the lower MO). For Ind to seal a spot, it should look to bat big in its first inning

Edited February 27, 2021 by zen

[GeeGaw]

1 hour ago, zen said:

For Ind to seal a spot, it should look to bat big in its first inning

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Every team looks to score big in its first innings.  Actually doing so is sometimes a different story. 

[zen]

2 hours ago, GeeGaw said:

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Every team looks to score big in its first innings.  Actually doing so is sometimes a different story. 

Ok captain spam! ... pls, read the whole thing again to connect the dots

Edited February 27, 2021 by zen

[Jay]

8 hours ago, nevada said:

Barring Rohit, none of our senior batters are in daddy hundred kind of form and are actually in decline.  Answering 400 with 600 seems like a thing  of the past now.

Exactly that was the difference in 2016. But you know why? Because the middle order is totally out of form. We need to replace rahane, puji for indian conditions. They are fine for sensitive but not for home anymore. Will it happen? Ofocurse not. Guarantee you if we had some domestic class batsman plus Mayank or even Shaw in middle order we can post 600.