What value does Ben Stokes bring outside home?

[Tattieboy]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

I know you don't want him out of the team . But as English supporter do you think England is using him properly. Stokes is a such a valuable asset .

We  Scottish  support England in NOTHING plus with my Indian connections I am even  more an Indian supporter 

But your cricket question , I really don't know how they are using him , the whole test team selections are baffling no not baffling defy logic . 

[Ajju]

23 hours ago, Ajju said:

Thondarapadi oka koyila mundhe koosindhi pandaga chesindhi

Bump

[Majestic]

A terrific terrific cricketer and he is proving it again. The thread isn't doing well for us.

[chewy]

 

Stokes single handedly trying end India's journey to WTC final

 

I guess Stokes read this thread

[sage]

Incredibly predictable the moment this thread was made

 

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[Gambit]

Irresistible player who can turn any game any time like he is doing here with bat and/or ball. Remember at Headingley even before the 135*, he bowled a tremendous spell in that game which kept Australia from scoring more.

[R!TTER]

Premature 

 

How many such threads we've had recently 

[Frustrated]

Time to delete this thread.   

[R!TTER]

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[Stan AF]

 

 

[Trichromatic]

25 minutes ago, chewy said:

 

Stokes single handedly trying end India's journey to WTC final

 

I guess Stokes read this thread

 

 

Even Rahane produces 1 performance in series here and there.

 

Everyone calls out for Rahane's head.

 

How does Stokes bring more value than someone like Rahane.

 

Compare this series

 

Rahane - 1 crucial partnership when he scored 66.

Stokes - 1 inning of 55 and 2 wickets.

 

Rahane must be dropped, Stokes is amazing.

 

Performance in Australia.

 

Rahane - 112 when India was at lowest, won the game. 2 centuries over, 2 great innings. 

Stokes - 1 century when match/series was lost, 1 5-fer in dead rubber.

 

Verdict - Rahane is usleless, mediocre. Stokes is great.

 

 

[Trichromatic]

It seems this is kinda trend with allrounders.

 

We see only clutch performances and ignore incosistencies.

 

With specialist we count failures and ignore ocassional performances.

[Forward Defence]

21 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

 

Even Rahane produces 1 performance in series here and there.

 

Everyone calls out for Rahane's head.

 

How does Stokes bring more value than someone like Rahane.

 

Compare this series

 

Rahane - 1 crucial partnership when he scored 66.

Stokes - 1 inning of 55 and 2 wickets

 

 

Stokes also has a score of 80 in the first test and got Kohlis wicket in the second innings. And nobody has been calling him great in this series. All he has been called is Ashwins bunny. 

[Trichromatic]

To add more to it.

 

Rahane averages 44 away from home with 8 centuries.

 

Stokes averages 36 with 4 centuries and 2 five wicket hauls in 39 matches.

 

Does wicket of Stokes worth 8 point of batting difference that Rahane brings?

 

Rahane is hardly considered great player, but Stokes is considered gold in tests.

[Trichromatic]

3 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

Stokes also has a score of 80 in the first test and got Kohlis wicket in the second innings. And nobody has been calling him great in this series. All he has been called is Ashwins bunny. 

 

Overall impression of Stokes is of a great player. Same can't be said for Rahane.

[Forward Defence]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Overall impression of Stokes is of a great player. Same can't be said for Rahane.

That is for a reason. When Rahane pulls off a Headingley or a WC final nail biter, I'm sure people will rate him too.

[putrevus]

13 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

It seems this is kinda trend with allrounders.

 

We see only clutch performances and ignore incosistencies.

 

With specialist we count failures and ignore ocassional performances.

As an allrounder you don't need to score 100 every match or take 5 wickets. Stokes's avg is 38 to Rahane 41 plus he brings his bowling to the equation. When a specalist batsmen is averaging 42 ,you are questioning Stokes.

 

His place is odis is unquestioned. He is the best allrounder in the world and would walk into any team.

[Majestic]

20 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

To add more to it.

 

Rahane averages 44 away from home with 8 centuries.

 

Stokes averages 36 with 4 centuries and 2 five wicket hauls in 39 matches.

 

Does wicket of Stokes worth 8 point of batting difference that Rahane brings?

 

Rahane is hardly considered great player, but Stokes is considered gold in tests.

Rahane is poor at home also, you missed that and Stokes is an all-rounder not a specialist batsman.

 

Also, Rahane has inflated hai away average by bashing Windies and Bangladesh. His SENA stats remain mediocre.

 

As batsman, Stokes = Rahane

 

As bowler, Stokes >> Rahane

 

As fielder, Stokes > Rahane.

 

Overall, Stokes is elite test all-rounder while Rahane is just a decent batsman.

Edited March 5, 2021 by Majestic

[Clarke]

25 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

To add more to it.

 

Rahane averages 44 away from home with 8 centuries.

 

Stokes averages 36 with 4 centuries and 2 five wicket hauls in 39 matches.

 

Does wicket of Stokes worth 8 point of batting difference that Rahane brings?

 

Rahane is hardly considered great player, but Stokes is considered gold in tests.

 

 

Oh yeah ? That's not what the thread was about, you were only saying away performances.

 

Now you want to make end to end conclusions based on the preferred zone of Rahane not that he's good at it while being nowhere near Stokes in home conditions.