We cannot afford two slow starters as openers in ODI

[New guy]

Other top teams like England have both openers as aggressive who can go from ball one. We have two slow starters. Heck, even Sachin had Sehwag to help him. 

 

Unless we have at least one who can go bang, bang from ball one, we can say goodbye to our world cup chances. we are going to lose all matches vs top teams in the first 10 overs

[Ankit_sharma03]

Many have been saying that for long

[sandeep]

5 minutes ago, New guy said:

Other top teams like England have both openers as aggressive who can go from ball one. We have two slow starters. Heck, even Sachin had Sehwag to help him. 

 

Unless we have at least one who can go bang, bang from ball one, we can say goodbye to our world cup chances. we are going to lose all matches vs top teams in the first 10 overs

Welcome to 2016.

[Global.Baba]

Can give leeway to Rohit though. Cant drop the best 6 hitter in the world. Hitters should be built around Ro and Ko

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Many have been saying that for long

 

Openers have to bat with aggression - Kohli has to stay away from the crease in the 1st power play, and stick to what he does best - anchor and control the middle overs.  

 

This is a gaping issue with Indian ODI batting tactics for years.  But this current 'method' suits Virat and co's personal agendas and they win enough games or lose by close margins to hide their selfishness.

 

only a proper bitch-slapping like today, chase in 40 overs - and repeat a few times - that's the only way the selfishness will get exposed.

[sandeep]

Just now, Global.Baba said:

Can give leeway to Rohit though. Cant drop the best 6 hitter in the world. Hitters should be built around Ro and Ko

 

For 'hitters' to be built around the 2 anchors who are best in class no doubt -they have to be given top order opportunities and license to attack, and fail a few times.

 

But in Virat's zamindar raj, 'junior' players have to come in lower down the order and play high risk low reward.  And then get chucked out.

[Global.Baba]

I was fine with Dhawan’s innings till he took like 15 balls to get from 95 to 98 or something. That is unacceptable. 

[Hell Raiser]

That's why I would want someone like Pant to open. Our top order is too dependent on middle/lower middle order to take us to a par total. 

[Majestic]

Top 6:-

 

Rohit

Pant

Kohli

Gill/Iyer

KL

Pandya

 

[Mariyam]

7 minutes ago, New guy said:

Other top teams like England have both openers as aggressive who can go from ball one. We have two slow starters. Heck, even Sachin had Sehwag to help him. 

 

Unless we have at least one who can go bang, bang from ball one, we can say goodbye to our world cup chances. we are going to lose all matches vs top teams in the first 10 overs

For ODIs? 

We don't need the risk takers. We need guys who can score quickly without much effort.

SKY and Rohit. Would be an interesting pair.

Or maybe  Ishaan and Rohit, followed by SKY and KL and Kohli.

 

Dhawan, his performance today notwithstanding, should be out.

[Global.Baba]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

 

For 'hitters' to be built around the 2 anchors who are best in class no doubt -they have to be given top order opportunities and license to attack, and fail a few times.

 

But in Virat's zamindar raj, 'junior' players have to come in lower down the order and play high risk low reward.  And then get chucked out.

sure. May be you are getting confused that I am agreeing with you but we are more or less on the same page here.

[sandeep]

1 minute ago, Global.Baba said:

sure. May be you are getting confused that I am agreeing with you but we are more or less on the same page here.

sure, but you have a tendency to argue needlessly due to silly reasons, regardless of actual points being made.  

[Clarke]

You're being too focused on this one series against the world champions. If the status quo helps defeat SL, WI, Bang etc why should we change our majorly successful methodology ?

[Stan AF]

Done to death topic on icf, fellow icf bros and sis.. Nothing is going to change.

[sandeep]

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

For 'hitters' to be built around the 2 anchors who are best in class no doubt -they have to be given top order opportunities and license to attack, and fail a few times.

 

But in Virat's zamindar raj, 'junior' players have to come in lower down the order and play high risk low reward.  And then get chucked out.

Do we know that it is selfishness, per se?  To me, it just seems like an obsolete, safety-first approach.  Priority for experience.  Priority for slow starts and wicket preservation.  All in all, VK's exterior bravado hides a risk-averse interior.  

[sage]

Rohit and Virat should be allowed to play as they do. Rest around them should be high tempo players not 100 ball monster eaters like thigh slapper

[sage]

17 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

I was fine with Dhawan’s innings till he took like 15 balls to get from 95 to 98 or something. That is unacceptable. 

Morgan would drop someone for that

[sandeep]

6 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Do we know that it is selfishness, per se?  To me, it just seems like an obsolete, safety-first approach.  Priority for experience.  Priority for slow starts and wicket preservation.  All in all, VK's exterior bravado hides a risk-averse interior.  

Dhoni was on record saying that he'd take a team total 20 runs short of par, rather than risk a 250 all out in pursuit of a 350.  Virat made noises about improving this attitude, but then stayed the course on conservative tactics.

 

I think he's not stupid enough not to see the writing on the wall when it comes to ODI batting - England's batting template has been on display since 2017.  They have put up 350+ scores almost regularly.  

 

Risk-averse is one thing - a 5 year consistent pattern of selection, and batting style is another.

 

 

[sandeep]

8 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

VK's exterior bravado hides a risk-averse interior.  

 

You aren't wrong about that.  He exhibits serious case of 'little penis' complex most times.