We cannot afford two slow starters as openers in ODI

[jusarrived]

Agree, but this is a decade old problem now ..nothing will change . Just wait for these guys to retire now 

[Ankit_sharma03]

33 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

Openers have to bat with aggression - Kohli has to stay away from the crease in the 1st power play, and stick to what he does best - anchor and control the middle overs.  

 

This is a gaping issue with Indian ODI batting tactics for years.  But this current 'method' suits Virat and co's personal agendas and they win enough games or lose by close margins to hide their selfishness.

 

only a proper bitch-slapping like today, chase in 40 overs - and repeat a few times - that's the only way the selfishness will get exposed.

knowing kohli he ll only come hard at bowlers not batsman, unless one of them fails regularly they aint going anywhere

[Bigg Brother]

This has been going since 2015 WC, the conservative approach throughout the wc by Openers came back to bite us in SF when we had to chase massive target and pressure got us, Same continued in that 2016 Australia series  when top 3 were scoring centuries for fun posting sub-par score on Australian pitches while Australia was chasing it easily. The problem is our lower order was completely dud at that time with TM's only agenda being how to accomodate pathetic Dhoni so top order's approach seemed acceptable. Now we have somehow found potent lower middle order batsman but top 3 are letting them down, It will work against most teams but not top teams like England and Australia.

[SK_IH]

Waiting for the day India's top 3 hegemony comes to end. Sick & tired of same old mechanical approach towards batting. Once the top 3 generation retires, Indian limited overs cricket will move forward.

[Global.Baba]

Difference is Dhawan took 15 balls for a few runs in the 90’s, Bairstow got out slogging at 94 and Roy at 46

[zen]

For the first 50-60 runs (most of the time), SR of some of these guys is quite snailish 

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018

Runs scored less than or equal to 60

Batting position between 1 and 3

Ordered by batting strike rate (descending)

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MA Agarwal	2020-2020	5	5	0	86	32	17.20	83	103.61	0	0	0	12	1
PP Shaw	2020-2020	3	3	0	84	40	28.00	82	102.43	0	0	0	12	2
S Dhawan	2018-2020	29	28	1	644	51*	23.85	719	89.56	0	1	2	99	5
V Kohli	2018-2021	23	22	3	646	60	34.00	788	81.97	0	3	1	61	5
KL Rahul	2019-2020	8	8	0	204	57	25.50	292	69.86	0	1	1	17	2
Shubman Gill	2019-2020	3	3	0	49	33	16.33	71	69.01	0	0	0	5	1
RG Sharma	2018-2021	29	28	0	535	57	19.10	780	68.58	0	3	2	60	10
AT Rayudu	2018-2018	2	2	2	43	31*	-	64	67.18	0	0	0	4	0

[sandeep]

30 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

knowing kohli he ll only come hard at bowlers not batsman, unless one of them fails regularly they aint going anywhere

of course.  He needs the likes of Dhawan to stick around - wonder why?

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, sandeep said:

of course.  He needs the likes of Dhawan to stick around - wonder why?

 

established players gives a sense of safety , naya humesha risky lagta hai

[putrevus]

When they have someone who can be explosive while being semi consistent then we can talk about changing the openers.

[RajBan]

If Rohit is not available next match, try out Gill .

 

Pant should play in place of Iyer anyways .

 

SKY should play in place of Hardik to see how he does in that position. Hardik anyways not bowling , so it's important to give chance to others to create bench/alternatives.

 

 

 

[New guy]

35 minutes ago, putrevus said:

When they have someone who can be explosive while being semi consistent then we can talk about changing the openers.

And how in earth will we know that without even trying? Seriously what happened to you lately? 

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, New guy said:

And how in earth will we know that without even trying? Seriously what happened to you lately? 

 Who is that explosive opener in domestic circuit? You get chance based on talent or doing well in domestic cricket. Do we have any, don't tell me Ishan Kishen and Pant, they are not those players.

[putrevus]

 What is wrong in trying out Pant ?

 

You think he cant bat as an opener. What is he missing.

He has no ability to rotate strike. I would not replace Dhawan yet, he has done nothing wrong to be kicked out, if he had not gotten injured who knows how world cup would have ended so why are we so eager to kick Dhawan out. 

 

Pant did play in World Cup semifinal.

[putrevus]

 
Are we really looking to play Dhawan for next world cup. If not why does he play ? he is one dimensional.  Pant has lot of cricket ahead of him and will improve in everything if he gets the chances. Not saying persist with him if he does not deliver.

Pant is wicket keeper in test cricket. Why are we trying to force feed him into Odis and t20s at the expense of perfectly good players in Rahul and Dhawan.

Dhawan is perfect for Odis . Will he play next World Cup who knows who will be there, there is enough playing time for everyone.


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[Ankit_sharma03]

its better to realise it before taaki baad men choke ke bahane na dhundhne pade

[putrevus]

21 minutes ago, Cricspin said:

 

Pant is a wicketkeeper in Tests does not mean he cant play other formats. We are not trying to manufacture a ODI/T20I player out of him. He is already suitable for those formats.

 

What we are doing is forcing a perfectly good Batsman in Rahul to keep wickets and not play with a normal wicketkeeper in Pant. Pant opening and Rahul playing in the middle order can both be done. Pant will utilize the powerplay better than Dhawan. IMO Pant will overtake Dhawan both in average and strike rate if he opens regularly. Pant is also capable to play the pivotal innings come the time. 

 

Dhawan was good no doubt. But right now the competition is there for batting spots and he is unfortunately in the phase out stage of his career. better now than later. 

 

23 year left hand attacking batsman who can clear the field v/s 35 year old solid but on the decline batsman who does not strike as good as youngsters. I am not a guy to discriminate just on age but in case of Dhawan, I will thank him for his services and wish happy retirement. Even Sehwag retired around 35.

Nobody says he cannot play other formats, but should he play other formats over guy like Rahul or Dhawan is the question.Dhawan has been world class in odis and is a big match player. Rahul does not give balance if he plays as a batsman alone.So only one among Pant and Rahul can fit in the team .

 

Pant is like Sehwag who was better test batsman than in odis. So I don't think Pant is ever going to be great odi player. Rahul has found his niche as a keeper in shorter formats and is perfect number 5 in odis.He can open in T20s and be explosive.

[GautiMaan]

If bowling combinations like Ashwin-Jadeja and Kulcha can be broken why not this opening combination which is going through age related decline and sucking up the powerplay, being in the good books of advertisers and Kohli should only save you for so long.

 

[rkt.india]

Slow start is fine by me but what's important is capitalising between 11-40 overs. 

[Sgattick10]

Time to chuck OUT Dhawan 

[SK_IH]

27 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Slow start is fine by me but what's important is capitalising between 11-40 overs. 

You won't score centuries if you try & capitalise 11-40 overs.