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mishra Grand Master

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Have been saying it all along.

Below is real story how states were hiding the data. Since its by that mofo Soutik Biswas, It has to be on basis of a BJP ruled state, But probably this is as close to truth as we get in terms of reporting and estimating the dead in current pandemic. If you extrapolate and assume all Indians are made up of same raw material (bone blood muscels) The number will coume out similar to my calculation of atleast 6+ million deaths

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56969086

 

For once I agree that all BJP CMs and politicians  are devils but some state has CM from various other parties too. I don't want to accept it but If not poverty and second world facilities what else can we blame?

Stuge Proficient

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24 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Live with us ? Where are you living ? Yeah come live in Goregaon, Mumbai where BMC official says there are no oxygen beds for my parents but we can arrange one if I pay 30,000 upfront. You can also join me in Cama hospital where there is seperate vaccination queue that is managed by various officials and you can get vaccine without token or prior appointment at 2000. 

 

So, spare me your rant. We are all angry. But health is state subject. Thats just a fact. 

Spare me your rant as well when center last year went ahead and decided to impose lockdown event throughout country without even consulting lockdown with state . Stop defending centre when they had equal responsibility while the moron himself was busy dissing out vaccines and chest thumping pr  all over the world and his moron health minister was busy stating ' End Game is here ".. Currently ,Endgame is ours while I'm locked up in isolation ..

 

where was your constitution then ? Control  everything and leave everything when things are out of your control and hide behind the same constitution ,which you never cared about in the first place.

 

And I hope your parents recover soon ...

 

 

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ravishingravi Grand Master

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7 minutes ago, Stuge said:

Spare me your rant as well when center last year went ahead and decided to impose lockdown event throughout country without even consulting lockdown with state . Stop defending centre when they had equal responsibility while the moron himself was busy dissing out vaccines and chest thumping pr  all over the world and his moron health minister was busy stating ' End Game is here ".. Currently ,Endgame is ours while I'm locked up in isolation ..

 

where was your constitution then ? 

 

And I hope your parents recover soon ...

 

 

 

I am not ranting. I am fairly equanimous with realities of this country. I dont care about the centre when the responsibility was of the state. 

On constitution, look up disaster management act. That was the provision under which lockdown was imposed. 

In Oct 2020, States were given autonomy to decide their state regulations / restrictions. 

 

As I said, I dont care of defending the centre. But there are two seperate issues. Vaccination which is where centre messed. Health infrastructure which is where State did.

 

Vaccination mess was a of logistics, communication and lethargy of us Indians.

ravishingravi Grand Master

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26 minutes ago, mishra said:

Have been saying it all along.

Below is real story how states were hiding the data. Since its by that mofo Soutik Biswas, It has to be on basis of a BJP ruled state, But probably this is as close to truth as we get in terms of reporting and estimating the dead in current pandemic. If you extrapolate and assume all Indians are made up of same raw material (bone blood muscels) The number will coume out similar to my calculation of atleast 6+ million deaths

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56969086

 

For once I agree that all BJP CMs and politicians  are devils but some state has CM from various other parties too. I don't want to accept it but If not poverty and second world facilities what else can we blame?

 

Just to get a sense of proportion, what we are saying is that the actual deaths are 30 x. Wow ! India is a big country but 6 million people go missing and no one notices. 

mishra Grand Master

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7 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Just to get a sense of proportion, what we are saying is that the actual deaths are 30 x. Wow ! India is a big country but 6 million people go missing and no one notices. 

Yes, And its not that no one is noticing. For example Indtitute I studied, there could be maximum 1200 students in all batches if overlapping. Assuming 30% are abroad( actually more) that leaves 800-900 max overlapping. I heard 5 dead from that 900 in wave 2. Zero deaths in wave 1. Now, certainly know that 5 confirmed death means atleast 7-8 deaths. Thats nearly 1 in hundred and we are not half way there.

mishra Grand Master

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People i know are dieing. I know that fact. Thats why, I am so much into it. As far as facilities are concerned, i contacted 10+ Uk manufacturers of oxygen generators and concentrators. Initially i got positive response. Now they all have run out.

 

No one but India and Indians have to fight it. Supplies aren’t cominng from anywhere. Lets accept it and come together 

ravishingravi Grand Master

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8 minutes ago, mishra said:

Yes, And its not that no one is noticing. For example Indtitute I studied, there could be maximum 1200 students in all batches if overlapping. Assuming 30% are abroad( actually more) that leaves 800-900 max overlapping. I heard 5 dead from that 900 in wave 2. Zero deaths in wave 1. Now, certainly know that 5 confirmed death means atleast 7-8 deaths. Thats nearly 1 in hundred and we are not half way there.

 

Knowing how opaque the system is and being aware of the inadequacies also, I cannot take this seriously. It doesn't pass the smell test. Under reported. For sure. 2 x at best, but even that I would want some underlying data. 

mishra Grand Master

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4 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Knowing how opaque the system is and being aware of the inadequacies also, I cannot take this seriously. It doesn't pass the smell test. Under reported. For sure. 2 x at best, but even that I would want some underlying data. 

Calculate this way. One possession for creamation every 20 mins in Prayag. That means 24-25 cremation in prayag alone. Multly it to 25 assuming 25 such sites in UP. Multiply it again with 20 assuming 20 states similar size. Multiply that value for 30 days

ravishingravi Grand Master

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8 minutes ago, mishra said:

Calculate this way. One possession for creamation every 20 mins in Prayag. That means 24-25 cremation in prayag alone. Multly it to 25 assuming 25 such sites in UP. Multiply it again with 20 assuming 20 states similar size. Multiply that value for 30 days

 

That cannot be starting point. Starting point has to be what is average run rate in a non covid scenario. What is delta now. And discounting non covid deaths. But I am not in favour of back of hand calculation. In India, data comes from the ground. You cannot hide it on this scale. Even the efficient CCP cannot hide 6 million bodies. Its non sense.

rkt.india Grand Master

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1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

What reason do we have to believe that the inactivation process is failing?

Read somewhere about quality control of Covaxin.

BacktoCricaddict Grand Master

BacktoCricaddict

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14 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Read somewhere about quality control of Covaxin.

It should be relatively easy for an independent lab to test for attenuation.  If this turns out to be true, it is appalling and negates a lot of the progress that we have made as the future of the pharma industry.  No point blaming China or anyone else.  

Lord Grand Master

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6 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

 

I am not ranting. I am fairly equanimous with realities of this country. I dont care about the centre when the responsibility was of the state. 

On constitution, look up disaster management act. That was the provision under which lockdown was imposed. 

In Oct 2020, States were given autonomy to decide their state regulations / restrictions. 

 

As I said, I dont care of defending the centre. But there are two seperate issues. Vaccination which is where centre messed. Health infrastructure which is where State did.

 

Vaccination mess was a of logistics, communication and lethargy of us Indians.

Oxygen too.As per PMO's press release,162 oxygen plants were to be set up by central body CMSS.However as per Ministry of Health,only 33 were installed upto 18 April.

 

https://factly.in/this-post-misleads-people-by-blaming-only-states-for-the-delay-in-installing-the-oxygen-plants/

 

This lack of preparedness sent people looking for oxygen until courts stepped in.

 

So it is lazy to say Centre is faultless.Also NDMA is still in force I guess

 

As @mishrasaid,its a collective failure.Everyone is to be blamed including people.But people are paying for it in the worst way .How will these leaders,both central and state,pay for this?Nothing will happen to them.They will get best facilities for themselves and their dear ones and then act like nothing happened

 

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In Oct 2020, States were given autonomy to decide their state regulations / restrictions. 

Trying to find something on this.Can you provide a source link for this?Thanks

urbestfriend Rising Star

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In Karnataka , I definitely put the blame on State government for pathetic underpreparedness. They had some of these issues creedped up in wave 1, but as soon as cases plummeted, whole cabinets and MLA's were fighting for ministries, positions in other bodies etc whereas healthcare was never a priority for them. Whole circus of blackmailing one another was in full view. They just disbanded a covid hospital they opened by spending crores of rupees. Now they are struggling when second wave came. I am totally sick of this government lead by Yeddi.

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