I think I am starting to believe this Covid 19 conspiracy theory

[EnterTheVoid]

Forget COVID vaccine, you'll find plenty who question the FLU vaccine. 

 

One of the people I lived with unfortunately was a big time anti vaccinator. Wouldn't shut up about baseless conspiracy theories.

 

Spoke nonsense about holistic healing practices and what not. 

 

Bloody hypocrite. Trust science as per your convenience.

[Real McCoy]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

But why do you use them term « believe ». Either you know or you don’t. In this case you don’t. Plus it’s classic error of correlation and causation. Viruses do mutate and mutations do spread faster. How do you then explain what’s happening in UK ? 

Its true. I don't know for sure that's why I used the word believe. In the case of viruses, vaccines and mutations, it seems you are also indulging in belief unless you are an expert in immunology

[Real McCoy]

2 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

I am reliably informed that means the vaccines are working .

That would be true if your information comes from a psychopath like Gates

[ravishingravi]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

I am talking about current wave. Not last year. Last year, uttarakhand was hardly troubled but this time. It's been everywhere. Don't think any family not having covid cases. People are dying without even being tested. Long lines of ambulances. My area was one of the safest last year. People from NCR came here for safety but this time it's different. Hospitals are already full. We din't even have a covid dedicated hospital last time here. Now we have two. Situation is that bad. Every gali, colony is affected.  This time here actual infected numbers are thrice because of people who are not getting tested and died who are not even counted.

I actually agree with you except two fact. How bad is it this time vs last time. It’s hard to determine. Last time it was mainly the poor and migrants impacted. And they wouldn’t rush to hospitals. So, yes, it looks worse, but I can’t really say. 
 

Two, if we have 3 times more cases how would we have 10 times more deaths. Yes, I do agree that Delhi and NCR region look worse effected than any region in the world from start of pandemic. Delhi has just collapsed and I would shudder to think what the actual death count is. It could be 3 x in Delhi. But I don’t think we have this gravity of situation anywhere else yet. 

Edited May 8, 2021 by ravishingravi

[Jimmy Cliff]

16 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

That would be true if your information comes from a psychopath like Gates

 

Please don't be jealous of Mr. Gates and his philanthropic ventures. The guy just wants to save the world and you're spreading Kaanspiracy Theories about him . And if you ever come across memes like this about the great man please report them to our fact checking friends.

 

[EnterTheVoid]

2 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Mods should delete such idiotic threads.

 

COVID-19 is real and the havoc it's wrecked is also real.

 

5% minimum of the population is being admitted to hospitals. Now add to the fact that most people cannot afford or even go to a hospital that number might even be close to 10%. 

 

And even if after ventilator and supplemental oxygen people recover - the road to recovery is also horrible. 

 

Check this article:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/survivors-severe-covid-19-beating-virus-just-beginning

 

Specifically this part: 
Many COVID-19 patients who need a ventilator never recover. Although survival rates vary across studies and countries, a report from London’s Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre found that 67% of reported COVID-19 patients from England, Wales, and Northern Ireland receiving “advanced respiratory support” died. A study in a smaller patient group in China found that only 14% survived after going on a ventilator.

 

This is not a joke. Just because it didn't impact anyone in your direct family or friend circle doesn't mean this thing is not serious.

 

It's pathetic conspiracy theorists latch on to something so critical. They can waste their time on moon landing, JFK etc. rather than this serious issue

 

The thread is a parody of the nonsensical threads that have unfortunately been popping up on ICF. 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, EnterTheVoid said:

Forget COVID vaccine, you'll find plenty who question the FLU vaccine. 

 

One of the people I lived with unfortunately was a big time anti vaccinator. Wouldn't shut up about baseless conspiracy theories.

 

Spoke nonsense about holistic healing practices and what not. 

 

Bloody hypocrite. Trust science as per your convenience.

My personal experience, Flu jab spreads the flu and gives even bigger flu to people who hasn’t got jab. I recall first year when people around me started taking the jab, that year, my flu was unbearable. Over period , my body started reacting better.

[rkt.india]

57 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

I actually agree with you except two fact. How bad is it this time vs last time. It’s hard to determine. Last time it was mainly the poor and migrants impacted. And they wouldn’t rush to hospitals. So, yes, it looks worse, but I can’t really say. 
 

Two, if we have 3 times more cases how would we have 10 times more deaths. Yes, I do agree that Delhi and NCR region look worse effected than any region in the world from start of pandemic. Delhi has just collapsed and I would shudder to think what the actual death count is. It could be 3 x in Delhi. But I don’t think we have this gravity of situation anywhere else yet. 

More deaths because variant is more deadly. Younger guys are during. Before it was the case with elderlies mostly, 50+ age casualty numbers were more. This time more casualties for people in 20s, 30s are than last time. Second reason for more deaths this is lack of treatment. Lot of SOS calls which was not the case last time. People struggling to find oxygen flow meters even. Because high number of infections and limited treatment capacity, people who were saved last time are now dying. Some can't even get admitted. So there is no record for them. If people infected with severe symptoms are 200, treatment capacity is of 100.  What about those 100? You are getting more casualties out of those 100 now because these strain is more deadly than last time.

Edited May 8, 2021 by rkt.india

[Real McCoy]

57 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

Please don't be jealous of Mr. Gates and his philanthropic ventures. The guy just wants to save the world and you're spreading Kaanspiracy Theories about him . And if you ever come across memes like this about the great man please report them to our fact checking friends.

 

I admit I'm jealous of his computer business, money, fame and not to mention his pretty wife

[ravishingravi]

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

Its true. I don't know for sure that's why I used the word believe. In the case of viruses, vaccines and mutations, it seems you are also indulging in belief unless you are an expert in immunology

Well if you are believer, you are any out of any rational discussion. I don’t believe in believing. I am seeing the data coming and checking correlation with ground realities. In UK, this has worked so far and I haven’t seen any evidence to contrary. 

[Real McCoy]

26 minutes ago, mishra said:

My personal experience, Flu jab spreads the flu and gives even bigger flu to people who hasn’t got jab. I recall first year when people around me started taking the jab, that year, my flu was unbearable. Over period , my body started reacting better.

I stayed in US for a decade, never got a flu shot, never had the flu. Explain that to those who got the shots. Every 6 months or so, they get the flu because of the shot and since the protection wears off after months, they need another one because a new strain has been found or the vaccine only lasts for a said period. The medical industry in the US is brutal and cutthroat. Same is coming to India now. Its like a windows update with new antivirus updates that will overload your system and is designed to crash at some point. @Jimmy Cliff how is my pc analogy since you mentioned gates

[Real McCoy]

2 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Well if you are believer, you are any out of any rational discussion. I don’t believe in believing. I am seeing the data coming and checking correlation with ground realities. In UK, this has worked so far and I haven’t seen any evidence to contrary. 

So you are believing in data coming (from whom). That is not rational as you are believing that said data is true. Like I said, if you are not an immunologist, you have to believe in other people. You can't have a rational discussion when you are doing the same act as me - believing.

[ravishingravi]

7 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

So you are believing in data coming (from whom). That is not rational as you are believing that said data is true. Like I said, if you are not an immunologist, you have to believe in other people. You can't have a rational discussion when you are doing the same act as me - believing.

Well why would I believe an immunologist either ? How does that guarantee independence ? So, in UK cases are down to 1000.  Let’s says it’s false. Deaths down are down below 100. Let’s say that’s false. Hospital capacity. 80% of hospital capacity has been freed up. Now all those three parameters, maybe independently you can confirm that they are in line. 
 

Unless you are claiming that there is raging virus and they are just hiding it from us and no one has noticed. 

[EnterTheVoid]

51 minutes ago, mishra said:

My personal experience, Flu jab spreads the flu and gives even bigger flu to people who hasn’t got jab. I recall first year when people around me started taking the jab, that year, my flu was unbearable. Over period , my body started reacting better.

 

Maybe you had a reaction. 

[Jimmy Cliff]

15 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

I stayed in US for a decade, never got a flu shot, never had the flu. Explain that to those who got the shots. Every 6 months or so, they get the flu because of the shot and since the protection wears off after months, they need another one because a new strain has been found or the vaccine only lasts for a said period. The medical industry in the US is brutal and cutthroat. Same is coming to India now. Its like a windows update with new antivirus updates that will overload your system and is designed to crash at some point. @Jimmy Cliff how is my pc analogy since you mentioned gates

 

Yeah just like Windows patching. Only for humans this time. This is what Moderna says about their "Operating System".

 

 

[Real McCoy]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

Yeah just like Windows patching. Only for humans this time. This is what Moderna says about their "Operating System".

 

 

Yup can't say I'm surprised by their choice of words. They think of us as computers and programming is what they do with their silent weapons of media. Have you wondered why a TV program is called a program in the first place. Something to think about

[Real McCoy]

17 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

Well why would I believe an immunologist either ? How does that guarantee independence ? So, in UK cases are down to 1000.  Let’s says it’s false. Deaths down are down below 100. Let’s say that’s false. Hospital capacity. 80% of hospital capacity has been freed up. Now all those three parameters, maybe independently you can confirm that they are in line. 
 

Unless you are claiming that there is raging virus and they are just hiding it from us and no one has noticed. 

No I'm saying you are also believing in something (data in your case) just like me. If you have to be pedantic, there can never be a rational discussion due to opposing beliefs. Lets agree to disagree then.

[Clarke]

Is the 5G radiation responsible for second wave ? Is it just coincidental that these waves increased for testing and people started having breathing problems and lung scans show bad patches ?

 

 

[Mariyam]

@Clarke if you don't mind me asking, what part of Mumbai do you stay in?

 

Is there a 5g pilot run already???

Vodafone?

 

 

Edited May 8, 2021 by Mariyam

[urbestfriend]

2 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

I actually agree with you except two fact. How bad is it this time vs last time. It’s hard to determine. Last time it was mainly the poor and migrants impacted. And they wouldn’t rush to hospitals. So, yes, it looks worse, but I can’t really say. 
 

Two, if we have 3 times more cases how would we have 10 times more deaths. Yes, I do agree that Delhi and NCR region look worse effected than any region in the world from start of pandemic. Delhi has just collapsed and I would shudder to think what the actual death count is. It could be 3 x in Delhi. But I don’t think we have this gravity of situation anywhere else yet. 

Come to Karnataka, the situation is far worse here than first wave. There are no beds available anywhere in Bangalore, and there is a very high demand for oxygen. Media is showing people begging for beds everywhere...Even my office groups, people are asking for beds, plasma, oxygen etc.