Alam_dar Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, kepler37b said: How about following? Not targeting Israeli Civilians? Not Making this is a anti-jewish issues rather than anti-israel issue? Improve internal organization and pursue economic progress? Consider women as human beings rather than baby production factories? Reject and punish the enablers of cult of suicide bombing? Stop considering their holy book as an absolute authority for everything? Renounce the crimes that their ancestors have committed on jews? (1) The religious parts (that you mentioned above i.e. crimes of ancestors, holy book etc) are not part of the present peace process and have not been demanded either by Israel or International community. If I tell you that PAST of the Israeli ancestors is even more blood thirsty than Muslim past, are you going to believe me? If I tell you that Israelis prophets were even more cruel than Muhammad, are you going to believe me? If I tell you that laws of Torah are even worse and cruel than Quran, are you going to believe me? (2) Internal progress and organization is also not the part of this international peace process with Israel. Marriages and babies are also not the part of this peace process. (3) And normal Palestinians had already stopped the violence in Oslo accord in 1993. They tried to control it, and there were clashes where many Palestinians died. Hamas was getting more and more support while Israel was making new illegal settlements instead of withdrawing from them. And normal Palestinians were not responsible for this Israeli behaviour or the support that Hamas was getting. In this situation, this is an impossible task for the Palestinian leadership of al-Fateh, while on the other side Israelis have a clean pass from their obligations and duties. I am afraid this is never going to work, and at the end it will turn all Palestinians to become Hamas.
Lone Wolf Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Dery said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aninews.in/news/world/us/india-at-unsc-expresses-concern-at-escalating-israel-palestine-conflict20210512022411%3famp=1 Meanwhile India's official position at UNSC is basically Israel shouldnt take Palestinians homes & Hamas should stop attacks... basically the response you would expect. Whereas Biden basically blamed Hamas for everything. Still Indian nationalists are supporting Israel & US over their own country. Lol this is India's official stance as they like to make these statements coz they have diplomatic relations with both sides. I am sure behind the scenes India has moral support to Israel like it should be. Indians support Israel coz they have supported us whenever they can except maybe China coz they have good relationship with CCP as well. That's how International politics work. Indian public will always be with Israel on Palestine issue as we ourselves are victims of terrorism. rageaddict and Straight Drive 2
Alam_dar Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 Here is a video of Israeli Normal people. All of them are of opinion that International laws mean nothing. All of them are of opinion that only they have the Right to whole land of Israel, while their god promised this land to them. All of them are of opinion that Palestinians have no right to this land and it is OK for the Israelis to take the Palestinian land and houses.
Mariyam Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 6 hours ago, coffee_rules said: You are seeing it only now on SM with the new gen, which could be because of the present divide between H and M. Can't you just say Hindus and Muslims, lest one mistake it for a popular apparel chain? At a societal level there is *no real divide* between H and M. Its only on SM where the vilest instincts are out, most of the times under the cloak of anonymity, that this 'divide' is magnified. And SM is the worst looking glass for an insight into the 'other'. If anything the overtly toxic nature of SM posts will cause a divide that hitherto existed only among a very small fringe. The Israeli Palestinian issue is the last thing an Indian Hindu and an Indian Muslim would discuss/argue about in real life. coffee_rules 1
Straight Drive Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, raki05 said: All these hue and cry because muslim country is getting thrashed , had the tide been turned none of the single Muslims have given 2 hoots about it. Had it been Jews at recieving end or for Pakistanis had it been Hindus at recieving end they would be burning crackers by now. Then we would have read posts online that kaafirs deserved it had Palestine won this war. Such hypocrites. Can't accept the defeats in modern era. They still mock how Muslim invaders were strong and made other nations look weak when they captured and pillaged nations. Now acting like cry babies. This is not primitive era. Other nations have now improved in all aspects whereas some nations still remained backwards due to lack of education and devlopment strategies. Other nations have much more military might, diplomatic relations, better influence, technologically advanced weapons of war. The tactics to provoke and invade is no more a possibility for the meek imvaders anymore. In fact a small nation like Israel defeated many nations in six day war. Palestines have erred in engaging with Israel on the war. Edited May 16, 2021 by Straight Drive VT87 and raki05 2
Straight Drive Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Lol this is India's official stance as they like to make these statements coz they have diplomatic relations with both sides. I am sure behind the scenes India has moral support to Israel like it should be. Indians support Israel coz they have supported us whenever they can except maybe China coz they have good relationship with CCP as well. That's how International politics work. Indian public will always be with Israel on Palestine issue as we ourselves are victims of terrorism. Yes, India has been victim of terorrism. Any nation which wipes out terrorists will be supported by other nations including India. That is what is playing out now. Other nations are just being on sidelines and letting Israel do their defence for a week or two. I guess UN will definitely step in but when Israel has defended itself enough so that opponents do not have courage to fire missiles from Gaza again. Diplomatically things are in Israel's favor clearly. Everyone's time comes. In previous centuries terrorist would get away but it's not that way anymore. It is countries like Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan which are suffering in modern era. I don't think India is only country which must be morally supporting Israel although India does have diplomatic relations with Palestine as well. There are many nations who are morally supporting Israel. It is evident by the way things are playing out. UN will step in but when the right time comes and Israel has dealt with enough of trouble. Edited May 16, 2021 by Straight Drive Lone Wolf 1
kepler37b Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: (1) The religious parts (that you mentioned above i.e. crimes of ancestors, holy book etc) are not part of the present peace process and have not been demanded either by Israel or International community. If I tell you that PAST of the Israeli ancestors is even more blood thirsty than Muslim past, are you going to believe me? If I tell you that Israelis prophets were even more cruel than Muhammad, are you going to believe me? If I tell you that laws of Torah are even worse and cruel than Quran, are you going to believe me? (2) Internal progress and organization is also not the part of this international peace process with Israel. Marriages and babies are also not the part of this peace process. (3) And normal Palestinians had already stopped the violence in Oslo accord in 1993. They tried to control it, and there were clashes where many Palestinians died. Hamas was getting more and more support while Israel was making new illegal settlements instead of withdrawing from them. And normal Palestinians were not responsible for this Israeli behaviour or the support that Hamas was getting. In this situation, this is an impossible task for the Palestinian leadership of al-Fateh, while on the other side Israelis have a clean pass from their obligations and duties. I am afraid this is never going to work, and at the end it will turn all Palestinians to become Hamas. Alam, I am not even speaking of Oslo Accord. Merely mentioning the aspects that your society should do to improve themselves. But you have not even acknowledged it. Edited May 16, 2021 by kepler37b
Clarke Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Dery said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aninews.in/news/world/us/india-at-unsc-expresses-concern-at-escalating-israel-palestine-conflict20210512022411%3famp=1 Meanwhile India's official position at UNSC is basically Israel shouldnt take Palestinians homes & Hamas should stop attacks... basically the response you would expect. Whereas Biden basically blamed Hamas for everything. Still Indian nationalists are supporting Israel & US over their own country. I suppose free speech or thought is only for you to oppose govt policy & not them
Straight Drive Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 Over 2000 rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel causing death of innocent civilians which include kids. Some of the rockets which malfunctioned have fallen with Gaza itself, some have been intercepted by the dome defense system whereas others have taken lives of Israeli's and damaged the buildings. UN has decided to hold a meeting to discuss.
rkt.india Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Here is a video of Israeli Normal people. All of them are of opinion that International laws mean nothing. All of them are of opinion that only they have the Right to whole land of Israel, while their god promised this land to them. All of them are of opinion that Palestinians have no right to this land and it is OK for the Israelis to take the Palestinian land and houses. Talk to common Palestinians, they will say they have the right to this land. Islamists just doesn't accept anyone else. Here in India, muslims in a muslim dominated area don't want hindu religious celebration because it's a muslim dominated area. https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/madras-high-court-religious-communitys-fundamental-right-to-hold-religious-processions-festivals-173882 Edited May 16, 2021 by rkt.india Alam_dar 1
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) Jews have right to live in their homeland. Israel is only country which is their homeland. Muslims can live in 100s of nation in world. But they intentionally choose to finish Jews from face of earth. It is just showing how vile and hateful the Palestinians are. No amount of paper or historical twisting is ever going to change this very basic , most apparent nature of equation to common men across world. So , Hamas can be burned to hell , these hateful people don’t deserve to live. Those supporting Hamas are also seen as supporting genocide of Jews. That will not change either. Edited May 16, 2021 by mishra
EnterTheVoid Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, mishra said: Jews have right to live in their homeland. Israel is only country which is their homeland. Muslims can live in 100s of nation in world. But they intentionally choose to finish Jews from face of earth. It is just showing how vile and hateful the Palestinians are. No amount of paper or historical twisting is ever going to change this very basic , most apparent nature of equation to common men across world. So , Hamas can be burned to hell , these hateful people don’t deserve to live. Those supporting Hamas are also seen as supporting genocide of Jews. That will not change either. The house you and your family are living in right now, my ancestors going back 2, 000 years ago lived here. Can you please pack up and leave?
EnterTheVoid Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 17 hours ago, Mariyam said: The 'support' Israel gets from the ' twitter dharmics' is not by the virtue of the moral standard that the state of Israel has upheld or the alliance that India has with Israel. It is simply because the people Israel are fighting are mainly Muslims. That's just not true. India supports Israel on SOME issues. As Israel helped India during Kargil war. And in other defence matters. India supports Palestine on SOME issues. Never has India veto'd any UN resolution calling for a stop on settlements. Those settlements are illegal under not only Israeli law but also international law. But those settlers don't care. In any case, I don't know why we getting involved. There are already enough players in the mix trying to give their gyaan on what to do. I don't know what India or Indians trying to achieve by tweeting dumb stuff on Twitter. We've got too many pressing issues at home that need our immediate attention. Mariyam and Laaloo 2
EnterTheVoid Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Here is a video of Israeli Normal people. All of them are of opinion that International laws mean nothing. All of them are of opinion that only they have the Right to whole land of Israel, while their god promised this land to them. All of them are of opinion that Palestinians have no right to this land and it is OK for the Israelis to take the Palestinian land and houses. I have to agree with you. The Palestinians can't have a homeland with Israeli settlements criss crossed all over West Bank and Gaza Strip. Easy to blame Hamas but the settlement issue predates them. The issue started in 1947, and it just got worse after the 6 Day War. Alam_dar 1
Mariyam Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: Talk to common Palestinians, they will say they have the right to this land. Islamists just doesn't accept anyone else. Here in India, muslims in a muslim dominated area don't want hindu religious celebration because it's a muslim dominated area. https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/madras-high-court-religious-communitys-fundamental-right-to-hold-religious-processions-festivals-173882 With all due respect to you, you haven't the foggiest what Muslims in India ( let alone Palestine) think or feel if that link is your barometer to measure the entire community. For every such instance, I can cite 10 counter instances of harmonious co-existence. Lalbagcha Raja, Mumbai largest Ganpati procession has a fixed path. It passes through Agripada which is a Muslim dominated area. Muslims here hand out water/sweets to the devotees on their way to the visarjan. And its lakhs of devotees that we are talking about. And this has been the norm since for ever. This is the Mumbai and India I identify with. I could go on. Not surprised that this thread has become exactly what I predicted. Another avenue to point fingers at Indian Muslims over some issue that doesn't concern us. Every person who sympathises with Israel more than they do with their own compatriots is no different than those delusional nutjobs who 'support' Palestine for the cause of Ummah while sitting in Andheri. Edited May 16, 2021 by Mariyam Vickydev, ravishingravi and EnterTheVoid 2 1
EnterTheVoid Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 You're spot on Mariyam. Why Indian Muslims get dragged into this, it's a mystery
mishra Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: The house you and your family are living in right now, my ancestors going back 2, 000 years ago lived here. Can you please pack up and leave? If it legally belonged, then may be yes. Its unethical and immoral for me not to make arrangement if i knew it belonged to you. i should leave instead of coming with a Rocket launcher and bomb you when I have option to moove out. As i said, outwardly nature of this war is not going to change, which is to finish off jews. In past, when tables were turned and even in future if tables get turned i.e. Palestinians have nukes and technology, we know that they would have finished jews without considering what humanity says. Palestine is like Pakistan created on basis of islam simply beacuse previous policyies finished jewish religion and culture of area. Solution Palestinians are asking is what Iran did to Zoroshtrians. All our Parsi Bhais now live in India. Will Iran ever give them their culture and land back. No, simply because zorashtrians can’t can’t do it militarily. kudos to Jews for standing up for Israel despite adversity.
rkt.india Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: You're spot on Mariyam. Why Indian Muslims get dragged into this, it's a mystery Because of Muslim Ummah. Try to get why Indian Muslims support Palestine because they are muslims, not because they have been wronged. They would have still supported Palestinians even if the roles were reversed. As I said if Palestinians had power, they would have done the same to Jews. They have done it before too. Edited May 16, 2021 by rkt.india
EnterTheVoid Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: Because of Muslim Ummah. Try to get why Indian Muslims support Palestine because they are muslims, not because they have been killed. They would have still supported Palestinians even if the roles were reversed. As I said if Palestinians had power, they would have done the same to Jews. They have done it before too. That Muslim Ummah is a pipe dream and never works. Never has worked in the past. India is not a Pakistan where we get involved in issues that don't concern us, simply because one of the sides is Muslim. Pakistan harps about Ummah but they're conveniently quiet on the treatment of Uighyrs. Closer to home, they are pretty horrendous in the treatment of the Balochis.
EnterTheVoid Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, mishra said: If it legally belonged, then may be yes. Its unethical and immoral for me not to make arrangement if i knew it belonged to you. i should leave instead of coming with a Rocket launcher and bomb you when I have option to moove out. As i said, outwardly nature of this war is not going to change, which is to finish off jews. In past, when tables were turned and even in future if tables get turned i.e. Palestinians have nukes and technology, we know that they would have finished jews without considering what humanity says. Palestine is like Pakistan created on basis of islam simply beacuse previous policyies finished jewish religion and culture of area. Solution Palestinians are asking is what Iran did to Zoroshtrians. All our Parsi Bhais now live in India. Will Iran ever give them their culture and land back. No, simply because zorashtrians can’t can’t do it militarily. kudos to Jews for standing up for Israel despite adversity. Israel is not helping matters by building settlements in West Bank and Gaza. Hamas are not Palestinians. And Palestinians are not Hamas. Palestinians aren't wrong in asking for a place to build their state.
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