Time for govt to understand there’s more to life than image building: Anupam Kher on Covid efforts

[Bigg Brother]

21 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

 

 

Gujarat will still vote BJP.

 

My family hail from Maharashtra. All the relatives I talk to slam the poor performance of the state government. This is a source of primary data. Recently BJP won a bypoll in a seat which they had never won in their history in Pandharpur. This is a source of secondary data.

 

Your assuming that people will simply hold the CG responsible and not hold the state government responsible.

 

I will also tell you another thing. I am of OBC heritage. People in my native village in northern maharashtra will vote for Modi cause he is OBC even if 50% of the population of India passes away due to covid.  

 

Realistically a total of less than 0.5% of the population of India will pass away directly or indirectly due to covid. The very vast majority are not touched by this. As is the case in most countries.

They will obviously but I wasnt talking about elections. BJP won with thumping margin just 2 months ago in Municipal elections. Never knew about this OBC angle. 

[speedheat]

Absolutely correct fully agree with Kher sahab here

[mishra]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

That is not what i have observed so far.  Most of them would stick up for every goddamn thing he does. This is the first time i see. Basically because they lost their dear ones.  Just because there is no viable opposition it is not right to look the other way. So basically if there is no opponents at all they are permitted to whatever they want?  Modi is a polarizing figure. He will win as long as he is around unless and until there is a strong leader emerging from the other party. It is a travesty that India has no strong opposition party. In any other country they would have faced the heat.

I will just go on posts of this thread. You could see that title of thread is Modi Supporter statement.  There is a baselless statement that Modi is anti science . And its been liked by many. Respecting culture and religion is not classified as anti science. India has a culture, US has none, So American sometime don’t get it. Gau mutra is culture, Cow is holy for me, Ganga is holy for me but If Modi didn’t support vaccination program, the post and people who liked it would have made sense. I lse its classed as politics.
 

problem is with anti Modi brigade wants to blame for everything just because some video of some random incident appears on twitter. In case of Covid, not just politicians, court effed up. EC effed up. Science community effed up. Evonimists effed up. Watch debates on Covid till Feb, march 2021. No one is taking corona seriously. Read covid thread on the forum, you will see all bjp supporter complaining centres inaction. But as info is getting clearer, they can see, how things got messed up and views changed.

 

Modi hasn’t polarised. India is getting educated. More Indian next generation gets educated, more people will ask for equality. So its inequality communal votebank politics of opposition that is getting exposed. 

[coffee_rules]

33 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

That is not what i have observed so far.  Most of them would stick up for every goddamn thing he does. This is the first time i see. Basically because they lost their dear ones.  Just because there is no viable opposition it is not right to look the other way. So basically if there is no opponents at all they are permitted to whatever they want?  Modi is a polarizing figure. He will win as long as he is around unless and until there is a strong leader emerging from the other party. It is a travesty that India has no strong opposition party. In any other country they would have faced the heat.

Just because BJP or Modi is not communicating doesn’t mean they are not caring. Just riding the situation with deaths. The course correction with comment will happen after the wave subsides. The emergency measures were in place since last year. The election rallies made them declare win over Corona. BKP or Modi is not responsible to create a viable opposition. 

[kepler37b]

When you are in a helpless situation it is very normal to blame the leader for everything. Even for your own shortcomings. It gives you a sense of emotional peace.

 

Any one even with a cursory look at indian society, would have concluded that covid would be a disaster. I still appreciate modi for the first lockdown. Without that it would have been a disaster.

 

Let me give you an example.

 

One wealthy family(father mother son daughter) from Hyderabad went to a vacation in darjeeling to celebrate an occasion in second week of april. Except the daughter all 3 passed away. Should we blame modi for this also?

 

 

 

[G_B_]

See ultimately Modi did not create covid. People know this. Maybe VVS moves in Tamil circles.  Even if the people he spoke to were pro modi , tn is unlikely to vote Modi

 

There are state governments and health is a state subject. One can argue on the vaccination front. But stuff like oxygen etc. That is 100% in the domain of state governments to be prepared. Why is AAP demanding such ridiculous amounts of oxygen? 

 

I think I mentioned in the covid thread that my cousin in Feb attended 7 weddings in 8 days in Mumbai. The restrictions were still there and there was dj dancing and way more than 30 people. So at what point do we look at society and say people need to take ownership of their actions.  Does society need to feel the heat?

 

A full lockdown like wave 1 was simply not financially possible. Our debt to GDP ratio shot upto 95% of GDP as a result of lockdown 1. Its only due to the prudent policies of the Modi government that our forex reserves have increased from 273 billion to 588 billion in in the space of 7 years. It has allowed us to absorb the shock of the first wave and ensured that the Indian rupee has been become a basket case.

 

 

 

 

 

[Khota]

BJP did mismanage it. Declaring victory. No ramping up vaccine production. Simple step which anyone with half a brain cell could do.

[Dery]

Govt: We defeated COVID, let's go Kumbh, WB here we come, election rallies check yeah 

People: Ok let's get back to work

COVID rises

BJP: Screw you common people for getting corona. How can you behave so irresponsibly ?

[Lone Wolf]

Sometimes I do really feel for Modi.  He is not the brightest bulb out there & people think he is some sorta genius.  I am sure he might be trying his best behind the scenes but he can't convey it properly.  Neither he can attack his critics with proper facts.  It's his biggest limitation I think. 

Blame our poor health care system that is very very poor to say the least & would not survive  a freakin global Pandemic which is crystal clear. 

State Governments are also to blame for mismanagement.  Yes Kumbh mela was not on at that point & neither did elections. 

 

[Khota]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Sometimes I do really feel for Modi.  He is not the brightest bulb out there & people think he is some sorta genius.  I am sure he might be trying his best behind the scenes but he can't convey it properly.  Neither he can attack his critics with proper facts.  It's his biggest limitation I think. 

Blame our poor health care system that is very very poor to say the least & would not survive  a freakin global Pandemic which is crystal clear. 

State Governments are also to blame for mismanagement.  Yes Kumbh mela was not on at that point & neither did elections. 

 

It comes down to competence. He knows how to win elections but knows nothing about governance.

 

PV Narsimha Rao and Manmohan Singh had no idea about winning elections but they knew how to run a country.

[Khota]

16 hours ago, G_B_ said:

See ultimately Modi did not create covid. People know this. Maybe VVS moves in Tamil circles.  Even if the people he spoke to were pro modi , tn is unlikely to vote Modi

 

There are state governments and health is a state subject. One can argue on the vaccination front. But stuff like oxygen etc. That is 100% in the domain of state governments to be prepared. Why is AAP demanding such ridiculous amounts of oxygen? 

 

I think I mentioned in the covid thread that my cousin in Feb attended 7 weddings in 8 days in Mumbai. The restrictions were still there and there was dj dancing and way more than 30 people. So at what point do we look at society and say people need to take ownership of their actions.  Does society need to feel the heat?

 

A full lockdown like wave 1 was simply not financially possible. Our debt to GDP ratio shot upto 95% of GDP as a result of lockdown 1. Its only due to the prudent policies of the Modi government that our forex reserves have increased from 273 billion to 588 billion in in the space of 7 years. It has allowed us to absorb the shock of the first wave and ensured that the Indian rupee has been become a basket case.

 

 

 

 

 

Pandemic as bad as Corona requires a strong Central Govt response. This cannot be left to states.

[rkt.india]

22 minutes ago, Khota said:

Pandemic as bad as Corona requires a strong Central Govt response. This cannot be left to states.

But states asked for it citing federal structure.

[Khota]

20 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

But states asked for it citing federal structure.

BJP is not taking responsibility. The vaccine production is a central issue and final distribution is on states. Centre never gave the green light for production. Then the health minister declared victory without getting the positivity rate less than 5%. They are incompetent.

[mishra]

5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Sometimes I do really feel for Modi.  He is not the brightest bulb out there & people think he is some sorta genius.  I am sure he might be trying his best behind the scenes but he can't convey it properly.  Neither he can attack his critics with proper facts.  It's his biggest limitation I think. 

Blame our poor health care system that is very very poor to say the least & would not survive  a freakin global Pandemic which is crystal clear. 

State Governments are also to blame for mismanagement.  Yes Kumbh mela was not on at that point & neither did elections. 

 

Its all about making right choice. Taking the calls. Experts are their who sit in boardroom and argue pros and cons. He did not make right call. Now , Unless board room was unanimous on Covid. In later case he needs to reshuffle boardroom contingents and put some faces from scientific community who may be not there but had vehemently argued against unanimous decision.

 

As far as other issues are there, I think Modi has taken generally correct call. He belongs to a group of people who firmly believes against emergency. So he won’t make a call which requires imposing something around emergency. He will never go Indirajis route, we all know, Indira ji was right most of time despite emergency 

 

finally, media management. I think he relies on discussions on floor of house. Its not right approach as opposition is filled with cooking-up stories.

 

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

BJP is not taking responsibility. The vaccine production is a central issue and final distribution is on states. Centre never gave the green light for production. Then the health minister declared victory without getting the positivity rate less than 5%. They are incompetent.

False info or lie. Whatever you want to call it.What was positivity rate in  oct nov dec jan feb - nearly 0-1%. Only in last week of march -2021 it touched 5% in some spots

[coffee_rules]

9 minutes ago, mishra said:

Its all about making right choice. Taking the calls. Experts are their who sit in boardroom and argue pros and cons. He did not make right call. Now , Unless board room was unanimous on Covid. In later case he needs to reshuffle boardroom contingents and put some faces from scientific community who may be not there but had vehemently argued against unanimous decision.

 

As far as other issues are there, I think Modi has taken generally correct call. He belongs to a group of people who firmly believes against emergency. So he won’t make a call which requires imposing something around emergency. He will never go Indirajis route, we all know, Indira ji was right most of time despite emergency 

 

finally, media management. I think he relies on discussions on floor of house. Its not right approach as opposition is filled with cooking-up stories.

 

In Jan-Feb states wasted vaccines because there was no drive or interest from public. There were articles in MSM that vaccines should not be forced on those who have already recovered and it is in violation of human rights. Some states like CGarh didn’t want Covaxin to be administered. Called it BJP vaccine. Now everyone is  clamoring for vaccines, when production was slowed down due to non availability of raw materials and low interest/wastage, it is all poor planning of CG. Hindsight is 20/20

 

. sums it up

[Vilander]

20 hours ago, kepler37b said:

When you are in a helpless situation it is very normal to blame the leader for everything. Even for your own shortcomings. It gives you a sense of emotional peace.

 

Any one even with a cursory look at indian society, would have concluded that covid would be a disaster. I still appreciate modi for the first lockdown. Without that it would have been a disaster.

 

Let me give you an example.

 

One wealthy family(father mother son daughter) from Hyderabad went to a vacation in darjeeling to celebrate an occasion in second week of april. Except the daughter all 3 passed away. Should we blame modi for this also?

 

 

 

 

this is so Sad, does the daughter have support system.. what the hell this is so depressing..

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Pandemic as bad as Corona requires a strong Central Govt response. This cannot be left to states.

i am still wondering why there are no military hospitals.. may be they themselves cant hold their internal patients.. nightmarish..

[G_B_]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Pandemic as bad as Corona requires a strong Central Govt response. This cannot be left to states.

 

The first wave originated from Maharashtra which is opposition ruled as did the second wave.

 

Just to clarify are you endorsing presidents rule for the course of this pandemic?

[Lone Wolf]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

It comes down to competence. He knows how to win elections but knows nothing about governance.

 

PV Narsimha Rao and Manmohan Singh had no idea about winning elections but they knew how to run a country.

Some core issues with BJP is they all talk big but actions are almost opposite to that.  Except article 370 removal which was indeed a bold move & much needed one..  he has not lived up to expectations. 

Take an example of Rohingyas What action they have to taken to remove them.  They are living illegally without UNHCR cards in India...  In Delhi & in freakin J&K of all people...  And god knows how many of them in UP & Bengal & have made fake Aadhars & voter cards.  So far all I have seen is big statements & nothing on the ground.  

NRC may or may not come but at least do something about them or else don't give people false hope. 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Lone Wolf