Is Australian cricket dominance over for good ?

[rangeelaraja]

The difference is obviously the batting. 

 

A formidable Hayden/Langer opening ( probably amongst the top 3 if not better ) in the history of the game.  Followed by Ponting who for 5-6 years in his prime was Bradmanesque  ( minus his India tours ) + 3 middle order batters averaging closer to 50 than 40, followed by the most destructive wicket keeper batsmen at # 7.

 

The collective aggression of this batting line up in tests was just something else. 

 

 

 

 

[Azadi]

49 minutes ago, speedheat said:

In t20i cricket, they are virtually non-existent, and in ODI cricket, they are rapidly regressing due to a lack of young talent. However, in test cricket, they are still a formidable force that will continue to dominate.

Agree with this. Australia will still be a top Test team - they already have three guys in Green, Pukovski, and Labuschagne who can play for years. They have the infrastructure to produce quality Test players. They have no real prospects in LO Cricket, which is worrying for them. 

[Jay]

4 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

The difference is obviously the batting. 

 

A formidable Hayden/Langer opening ( probably amongst the top 3 if not better ) in the history of the game.  Followed by Ponting who for 5-6 years in his prime was Bradmanesque  ( minus his India tours ) + 3 middle order batters averaging closer to 50 than 40, followed by the most destructive wicket keeper batsmen at # 7.

 

The collective aggression of this batting line up in tests was just something else. 

 

 

 

 

Puckowski

Patterson (good talent)

Labushagne

Smith

Khawaja

Green

Carey 

Pattinson

Starc

Hazelwood

Cummins

 

If anyone thinks this isn't a strong side then they are delusional as *. This is a world class side. They would beat Clarke's Australia comfortably. 

 

Would pummel most great sides at home and compete well away. 

 

They thrashed world phony champions n.z at home and away. 

 

Imo the 2 best teams are india and australia. 

 

You will see when Australia tours india. Mark my words. If kohli is still captain we will probably win in a closely fought series. Either 2-1 or 3-1. Will not be a complete domination. They will give us the toughest fight. 

[Jay]

Only issue for Australia are their backup batsmen. Apart from renshaw, they literally have zero batting talent. 

 

Bowling is fine. There are still guys like jhye, Meredith, neser etc. 

[GeeGaw]

15 hours ago, Jay said:

Warne vs Pattinson in Australia? I would take patto

 

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Pattinson better than Warne

 

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.  This is one of the worst opinions ever expressed on this site and that is quite an achievement. 

[GeeGaw]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, current Aussie pace attack is as good as McGrath, Gillespie, Lee. They don't have warne but Lyon has done well for them. But they don't have many young fast bowlers coming up. Dont remember any except Jhy and Meredith.

 

Tell me you didn’t start watching cricket until 2010 without saying you started watching cricket in 2010.

 

Good grief, the dumbassedness is high in this thread.

Edited August 22, 2021 by GeeGaw

[Jay]

12 minutes ago, GeeGaw said:

 

 

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.  This is one of the worst opinions ever expressed on this site and that is quite an achievement. 

Warne average in India. Wonder what it was? 40 something. Worlds best spinner apparently. 

 

You guys overrate Warne way too much. 

 

Go watch Pattinson bowl again and come back to me. 

 

Prime Pattinson had more talent than even pat Cummins. That's how good he was. 

[Jay]

Too many nostalgic fans here. You are looking at names. I look at ability. If you have ever played cricket a highly competitive level then you would understand how to discern the ability of a cricketer. 

 

This Aussie attack is every bit as good as their so called greatest attack of the 2000 era. 

 

[Gambit]

20 hours ago, Jay said:

Cummins as good as McGrath

Hazelwood better than Gillespie

Starc better than Lee

Pattinson better than Warne as number 8. He can bat and bowl well. Just injury prone. 

 

 

 

 

[Jay]

3 minutes ago, Gambit said:

 

 

 

 

Look at the stats. Ok stats isn't everything. Look at ability. More or less the same. 

[Sean Bradley]

Australia still have the team, but what they lack a couple of vital cogs to be the greats again.

 

1) Keeper like Gilly - In the GOAT Aussie side, I remember Gilchrist had won them innumerable matches from being at a losing position, Gilchrist was someone who could take the game away if he bats for a session. Their current crop of Paine and Wade are absolute Duds.

2) A Great Spinner - Warne is a once in a Century kind of talent, and it would be very unfair to expect that Australia would unearth someone like him again. But if they could find, someone like Macgill or Hodge of this generation, they will have a good chance of making a formidable dominant unit again. Modern day batsmen barring a few have poor techniques against spin and most prefer playing from the crease. 

3) Solid MO Batsmen : No excuse for Aussies in this Department, back in the day they had explosive players like Hayden, Langer, Ponting, at the top followed by an ever reliable Damien Martyn who would steady the ship if wickets fell early. 

4) An inspiring leader : Steve Smith had it in him to do what Waugh and Ponting did in 2000s, but he blew it away with sandpaper gate. After that incident Aussies have been on a downward spiral and are taken for ride these days even by teams like Bangladesh. 

 

If they can fix this issues, they will be on top again, they always had a great place attack, they still have Warner Smith and Labbu. They need some more tweaks to get there. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Sean Bradley

[Jay]

6 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

Australia still have the team, but what they lack a couple of vital cogs to be the greats again.

 

1) Keeper like Gilly - In the GOAT Aussie side, I remember Gilchrist had won them innumerable matches from being at a losing position, Gilchrist was someone who could take the game away if he bats for a session. Their current crop of Paine and Wade are absolute Duds.

2) A Great Spinner - Warne is a once in a Century kind of talent, and it would be very unfair to expect that Australia would unearth someone like him again. But if they could find, someone like Macgill or Hodge of this generation, they will have a good chance of making a formidable dominant unit again. Modern day batsmen barring a few have poor techniques against spin and most prefer playing from the crease. 

3) Solid MO Batsmen : No excuse for Aussies in this Department, back in the day they had explosive players like Hayden, Langer, Ponting, at the top followed by an ever reliable Damien Martyn who would steady the ship if wickets fell early. 

4) An inspiring leader : Steve Smith had it in him to do what Waugh and Ponting did in 2000s, but he blew it away with sandpaper gate. After that incident Aussies have been on a downward spiral and are taken for ride these days even by teams like Bangladesh. 

 

If they can fix this issues, they will be on top again, they always had a great place attack, they still have Warner Smith and Labbu. They need some more tweaks to get there. 

Already have it. 

 

Puckowski averages 50 in first class

Green 45

Then you add Kurt's Patterson. That's a great lineup. 

 

Plus potent pace attack. What more do you need. Good spinner is needed yes. To replace Lyon. They lack one good spinner and a good opener. 

 

They are stronger than Clarke's Australia comfortably. 

[Trichromatic]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

Already have it. 

 

Puckowski averages 50 in first class

Green 45

Then you add Kurt's Patterson. That's a great lineup. 

 

Plus potent pace attack. What more do you need. Good spinner is needed yes. To replace Lyon. They lack one good spinner and a good opener. 

 

They are stronger than Clarke's Australia comfortably. 

 

Missed winning Ashes in England 3-1 in 2019. 

 

 

[Jay]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Missed winning Ashes in England 3-1 in 2019. 

 

 

Foolish decision by Paine to put England in to bat in 3rd. Very bad decision. Which cost them. 

[kohli]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Warne average in India. Wonder what it was? 40 something. Worlds best spinner apparently. 

 

You guys overrate Warne way too much. 

 

Go watch Pattinson bowl again and come back to me. 

 

Prime Pattinson had more talent than even pat Cummins. That's how good he was. 

Prime pattinson? This guy played grand total of 21 test.

[Jay]

14 minutes ago, kohli said:

Prime pattinson? This guy played grand total of 21 test.

Go Rewatch his games. Tell me he that he wasn't a good player. He is every bit as good as hazelwood now 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Jay

[Nikhil_cric]

The gap between them and the other teams has reduced a lot now. 

[Adamant]

@Jay

Agree with pace bowling being nearly on par

Cummins, Hazelwood, Starc, Pattinson

Is comfortably on par with 

Mcgrath,Gillespie,Lee,Kasprowicz. 

 

But Warne is way better than Lyon and is in the same league as Mcgrath. 

 

So yeah bowling attack overall is comparable but Your comment about Patto being better than Warne is absolutely ridiculous. 

[Jay]

23 minutes ago, Adamant said:

@Jay

Agree with pace bowling being nearly on par

Cummins, Hazelwood, Starc, Pattinson

Is comfortably on par with 

Mcgrath,Gillespie,Lee,Kasprowicz. 

 

But Warne is way better than Lyon and is in the same league as Mcgrath. 

 

So yeah bowling attack overall is comparable but Your comment about Patto being better than Warne is absolutely ridiculous. 

Yea but patto is no slouch. He was heralded as the next best thing back in 2014 before injuries ruined him. 

 

You are severely underestimating how good he is. Infact he performed better in India than Warne vs kohli goat Asian team. 

He averaged 31 vs 42 Warne. 

 

Just saying. 

 

Also Aussies currently are severely underrated. Infact they are easily a top 2 side. Don't get it twisted. INDIA MADE them look inferior. Doesn't take away the fact that Australia is a formidable side which would pummel all teams barring india including past great teams. They would comfortably beat Clarke's Australia too. The same Clarke's Australian side which beat smith's GOAT saffer team. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Jay

[Gollum]

On 8/21/2021 at 12:18 PM, Jay said:

This. Aussies have their best ever pace attack now. Yes even better as a pack compared to their 2000-2006 attack. 

 

Cummins as good as McGrath

Could become in the future, has all the ingredients to end up in GOAT race. Big fan of Cummins, think he will surpass Lillee in next 3-4 years.

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Hazelwood better than Gillespie

Arguable, but not outlandish. Brilliant quick. 

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Starc better than Lee

Probably as good. Lee too overrated in tests.

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Pattinson better than Warne as number 8. He can bat and bowl well. Just injury prone. 

Noooo way. Warne is the greatest ever spinner the game has seen. India was his bogey side but apart from that, his resume is complete, too damn perfect. And not a chucker like Murali. 

First name on my AT XI sheet.

Lyon is the second best spinner from Aus in the last 30 years (rate him above MacGill) but big gap between #1 and #2. One is the undisputed GOAT, other is not even the best spinner of his generation.

Pattinson is a nobody. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Gollum