Was there any test in which Aussies were outplayed during their peak years?

[Trichromatic]

Australian team of 2000-2007 can be considered as time when they were considered as greatest team of all time.

 

They lost test matches during this phase, they lost test series also. However was there any match in which they outplayed or dominated by opposition?

[Trichromatic]

Did they lose first test of any series?

[nevada]

It was a match they won, but the Adelaide test of 2006 was an interesting one. The Aussies were outplayed in the beginning of the match. England played very well for the first couple of days, even declaring their innings at 550+. Collingwood scored a double century and Pietersen scored  a 150. After a loss in the first test, it seemed the English were back on track to keep the series competitive. The Aussies replied with a big total of their own and the match seemed destined for a draw as it headed to day 5. England had to bat out day 5 on a pitch where bowlers didn't seem to have much assistance. But Warne had other ideas. He sparked a collapse and a shocked Collingwood watched in horror as one after the other, his partners at the other end got themselves out. He stonewalled for a long time but one mistake he did was playing for time and forgetting to put more runs on the scoreboard. It was like he was paralyzed with fear watching the destruction at the other end. If he had scored 20 more runs, the Aussies might have had a tougher time of chasing down the target in the 4th innings. They had a few hiccups, but chased it down to seal a famous win. That game must have destroyed England's will because they lost the remaining games as well for a clean sweep. 

[Mariyam]

My 0.02$,

 

The title is incorrect. The concept of Peak years/ golden generation is not true for a team like Australia ( or India post the 2000s), where they have lots of resources to place a competitive XI on the field. All their teams are greats, to varying degrees.

 

Teams like the West Indies or Pakistan have had peak years/ golden generations.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

It was a match they won, but the Adelaide test of 2006 was an interesting one. The Aussies were outplayed in the beginning of the match. England played very well for the first couple of days, even declaring their innings at 550+. Collingwood scored a double century and Pietersen scored  a 150. After a loss in the first test, it seemed the English were back on track to keep the series competitive. The Aussies replied with a big total of their own and the match seemed destined for a draw as it headed to day 5. England had to bat out day 5 on a pitch where bowlers didn't seem to have much assistance. But Warne had other ideas. He sparked a collapse and a shocked Collingwood watched in horror as one after the other, his partners at the other end got themselves out. He stonewalled for a long time but one mistake he did was playing for time and forgetting to put more runs on the scoreboard. It was like he was paralyzed with fear watching the destruction at the other end. If he had scored 20 more runs, the Aussies might have had a tougher time of chasing down the target in the 4th innings. They had a few hiccups, but chased it down to seal a famous win. That game must have destroyed England's will because they lost the remaining games as well for a clean sweep. 

 

2nd inning collapse started with wrong decision by Bucknor to give Strauss out off Warne's delivery.

 

Indian team was far more dominant in Sydney test with a lead over 200+

[vvvslaxman]

I wouldn't say outplayed. But they have lost matches after dominating the same match. Eden Gardens, Adelaide Test, The one where Australia declared in both innings and left England a meagre 315 total to chase. They pulled it off. 

[Nikola]

27 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I wouldn't say outplayed. But they have lost matches after dominating the same match. Eden Gardens, Adelaide Test, The one where Australia declared in both innings and left England a meagre 315 total to chase. They pulled it off. 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-england-and-ireland-2001-61345/england-vs-australia-4th-test-63939/full-scorecard

 

Australia lost all these matches due to overconfidence. If they wouldn't have given follow on at eden gardens they would have easily won test match. Same with Leeds where they declared with 6 wickets in hand & England chased it down. Adelaide test too they were trying to prove their domination by scoring quick and getting result quickly but collapsed in next innings. Clarke tried similar in this match and england almost chased it down as well.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Nikola said:

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-england-and-ireland-2001-61345/england-vs-australia-4th-test-63939/full-scorecard

 

Australia lost all these matches due to overconfidence. If they wouldn't have given follow on at eden gardens they would have easily won test match. Same with Leeds where they declared with 6 wickets in hand & England chased it down. Adelaide test too they were trying to prove their domination by scoring quick and getting result quickly but collapsed in next innings. Clarke tried similar in this match and england almost chased it down as well.

ah, yes, the Butcher test. I was planning to bring that one up as well. Butcher butchered their attack in that 1 test

[nevada]

1 hour ago, Nikola said:

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-england-and-ireland-2001-61345/england-vs-australia-4th-test-63939/full-scorecard

 

Australia lost all these matches due to overconfidence. If they wouldn't have given follow on at eden gardens they would have easily won test match. Same with Leeds where they declared with 6 wickets in hand & England chased it down. Adelaide test too they were trying to prove their domination by scoring quick and getting result quickly but collapsed in next innings. Clarke tried similar in this match and england almost chased it down as well.

I wouldn't call it over confidence. It seems to be lack of fear of losing. The Aussies prefer to take the option which guarantees a result, even if there is a chance of it not going in their favour. 

[AKane]

Not the 2000-2007 Aussies but the 1974-76 Aussies who clobbered the WI 5-1 at home in 1975-76..... the one test they lost was at Perth.... Roy Fredericks scored a terrific 169, Lloyd 149 and Andy Roberts claimed 7/54 in 2nd Innings. WI won the match by an Innings and 87 runs.

 

After that match Jeff Thomson turned on the pure pace and the WI were routed rest of the series. Somebody wrote about Thomson "He showed the world that he and not this man Roberts or his teammate Liillee or this new fellow Holding but he(Thomson) was the fastest bowler in the world".

 

Similarly in 2007/8 after winning the first 2 tests ( One of the Bucknor fame ) Australia lost at the same venue Perth against India by 72 runs.... but they were 253/8 and really one big 9th wicket partnership got them closer - but it was a comprehensive win.

 

 

 

 

[Suhaan]

13 hours ago, Vijy said:

ah, yes, the Butcher test. I was planning to bring that one up as well. Butcher butchered their attack in that 1 test

Mark Ramprakash as well

[Jay]

Got outplayed by Fleming team in 2000 in Australia. Series drawn 1 - 1. Australia of those years are wildly overrated on non flat wickets. Wildly. Other teams poor fitness levels is the only reason why the so called mighty Aussies were able dominate for 7 long years. Even then it was fraught with questionable wins based on poor umpiring, no drs etc. 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Jay

[Trichromatic]

14 minutes ago, Jay said:

Got outplayed by bond in 2000 in Australia. Series drawn 1 - 1. Australia of those years are wildly overrated on non flat wickets. Wildly. Other teams poor fitness levels is the only reason why the so called mighty Aussies were able dominate for 7 long years. Even then it was fraught with questionable wins based on poor umpiring, no drs etc. 

 

Which series and match are you talking about?

[Jay]

17 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Which series and match are you talking about?

TransTasmanian 2001 test series. New zeland tour of Australia. New zeland should have won the first match. They only needed 70 odd runs to win and had 6 wickets in hand. 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Jay

[Trichromatic]

17 minutes ago, Jay said:

TransTasmanian 2001 test series. New zeland tour of Australia. New zeland should have won the first match. They only needed 70 odd runs to win and had 6 wickets in hand. 

 

 

 

What did Bond do in that series?

[Nikola]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

What did Bond do in that series?

 

Averaged close to bradman with ball.

[Jay]

20 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

What did Bond do in that series?

Not in that one. Sorry my bad. Confused that series for the one in n.z. 

I meant bonds kiwi team**. Not bond alone. He did **** actually in that series. Averaged like 90 +.

 

But the team did well. They should have won test1 and and test 3. Both draws. 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Jay

[Scarface]

 
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-england-and-ireland-2001-61345/england-vs-australia-4th-test-63939/full-scorecard
 
Australia lost all these matches due to overconfidence. If they wouldn't have given follow on at eden gardens they would have easily won test match. Same with Leeds where they declared with 6 wickets in hand & England chased it down. Adelaide test too they were trying to prove their domination by scoring quick and getting result quickly but collapsed in next innings. Clarke tried similar in this match and england almost chased it down as well.

On the 4th day only 25 overs play was possible due to rain. Gilly was captain (Waugh was injured) and he made a challenging declaration setting a target of 315 in about 95 overs. Butcher played innings of his life against peak McGrath/Warne.

I wouldn't call this overconfidence, but rather Gilly's hand was forced to make a play due to the rain and Aussies were gunning for a rare away 5-0 whitewash.

[putrevus]

On 1/8/2022 at 6:29 AM, Trichromatic said:

Australian team of 2000-2007 can be considered as time when they were considered as greatest team of all time.

 

They lost test matches during this phase, they lost test series also. However was there any match in which they outplayed or dominated by opposition?

I would not called them greatest.That would be 1980s WI team.They would have made mincemeat of any Aussie team in 2000s.

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, AKane said:

Not the 2000-2007 Aussies but the 1974-76 Aussies who clobbered the WI 5-1 at home in 1975-76..... the one test they lost was at Perth.... Roy Fredericks scored a terrific 169, Lloyd 149 and Andy Roberts claimed 7/54 in 2nd Innings. WI won the match by an Innings and 87 runs.

 

After that match Jeff Thomson turned on the pure pace and the WI were routed rest of the series. Somebody wrote about Thomson "He showed the world that he and not this man Roberts or his teammate Liillee or this new fellow Holding but he(Thomson) was the fastest bowler in the world".

 

Similarly in 2007/8 after winning the first 2 tests ( One of the Bucknor fame ) Australia lost at the same venue Perth against India by 72 runs.... but they were 253/8 and really one big 9th wicket partnership got them closer - but it was a comprehensive win.

 

 

 

 

That 1975-76 WI team did not have 4 fast bowlers.They just had Holding and Roberts. WI had last laugh against Australia and Greg Chappell when they kept hammering them for more than decade from 1979.They pounded Greg Chappell into submission in 1979 series when he could hardly score a run against 4 pronged pace attack.

Edited January 9, 2022 by putrevus