Indian squad for Wt20 announced.

[IndianRenegade]

4 hours ago, SRT100 said:

 

Going to India v Pakistan.

Awesome enjoy for us too, hope you are early on the hot tickets.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

aise to bhuvi, bumrah, arshdeep, ashwin, hardik, all cover PP whats the need of shami.

Shami in 1st place has been terrible in t20, even his PP numbers are nothing good...............in death he is horrible 

He is backup for Bhuvi. 

 

Chances of Shami picking wickets upfront with new ball in Australia is higher than all of the names you mentioned.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

He is backup for Bhuvi. 

 

Chances of Shami picking wickets upfront with new ball in Australia is higher than all of the names you mentioned.

 

 

He played one game n absolutely got hammered in that game like his whole career. Neither did he get a wkt that game . 

Ppl were saying same for Uae but he played last wc and went wkt less vs Pakistan and leaked a lot. Then even against namibia he leaked a lot and went wktless 

 

What chances what probability?? He gets bashed everywhere....even if he takes a wkt he gives so much runs that at the end he is not helping his own team and not to forget the negative value of him at death. 

[Majestic]

8 minutes ago, Majestic said:

He is backup for Bhuvi. 

 

Chances of Shami picking wickets upfront with new ball in Australia is higher than all of the names you mentioned.

 

 

The thing is Bhuvi and Deepak Chahar may not get the swing with new ball in Australia. Having Shami as an option who can bowl close to 140 is a safer bet.

 

You don't want to go in a situation where someone get injured and we end up playing 3 trundlers all of them bowling at 130 kph.

[Majestic]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He played one game n absolutely got hammered in that game like his whole career. Neither did he get a wkt that game . 

Ppl were saying same for Uae but he played last wc and went wkt less vs Pakistan and leaked a lot. Then even against namibia he leaked a lot and went wktless 

 

What chances what probability?? He gets bashed everywhere....even if he takes a wkt he gives so much runs that at the end he is not helping his own team and not to forget the negative value of him at death. 

He was admirably good in UAE this IPL upfront with new ball.

 

And Anyways, what are the options you have if Bhuvi or Bumrah gets injured ?

 

You will play Bhuvi/ Deepak Chahar, Arshdeep and Harshal in your XI with three men trundling at 130-135?

Edited September 13, 2022 by Majestic

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Majestic said:

He was admirably good in UAE this IPL upfront with new ball.

 

Diff between IPL and International have been proven in many cases- he has been good in IPL for 3 seasons now but not international 

he then played WC and looked totally ineffective and then his run giving habbit hurts even more. 

 

9 hours ago, Majestic said:

And Anyways, what are the options you have if Bhuvi or Bumrah gets injured ?

 

You will play Bhuvi/ Deepak Chahar, Arshdeep and Harshal in your XI with three men trundling at 130-135?

Yea atleast they are better then shami in t20s  , just becoz he bowls 10k faster doesnt make him a better bowler in that format . Pace is nothing without execution and skill set (shami problem has been that) 

 

[nevada]

19 hours ago, Frustrated said:

That 3 wicket spell vs SL  by chahal has done more long term damage to us.  Right now,  we are the only T20 team in this WC whose spinner can't bat.   Look at hasaranga, shadab and nawaz.   Even Adam Zampa has started hitting few boundaries as seen in the match vs NZ.  

He can't bowl well either! Bishnoi should have been picked but since he doesn't bowl the leg-break, that seems to have gone against him. 

[Majestic]

30 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Diff between IPL and International have been proven in many cases- he has been good in IPL for 3 seasons now but not international 

he then played WC and looked totally ineffective and then his run giving habbit hurts even more. 

 

Yea atleast they are better then shami in t20s  , just becoz he bowls 10k faster doesnt make him a better bowler in that format . Pace is nothing without execution and skill set (shami problem has been that) 

 

A well rested Shami has all the tools to make the new ball talk and give early breakthroughs. He is faster than Bhuvi and Deepak Chahar.

 

Go with their skills, he has been poor earlier because he played all formats and hence the consistency was lacking, last year he played 4 tests in a COVId protocol environment and then played the WT20, right now he might well be better rested.  In death overs, we don't need to use Shami as Bumrah and Arshdeep will cover up. If anyone of those two get injured, Harshal can be picked.

 

In past, we bowled him a lot in death overs too, a smarter use of him is required and because they haven't tried the likes of Mohsin, Siraj or any other 140 kph new bowl bowler, Shami remains the best bet.

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by Majestic

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, Majestic said:

A well rested Shami has all the tools to make the new ball talk and give early breakthroughs. He is faster than Bhuvi and Deepak Chahar.

 

Aaj tak hua nahin and a big sample suggest how poor he has been in t20 

 

Pace is handy when it comes to moving old ball where anyways he has struggled even in ODI. He did well this IPL when pitches were of Maharashtra which was very very helpful and then the breeze factor. In short he in the ended needed conditions. Their also GT used him smartly so he has as limited as any and his pace is making no difference. 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Go with their skills, he has been poor earlier because he played all formats and hence the consistency was lacking, last year he played 4 tests in a COVId protocol environment and then played the WT20, right now he might well be better rested.  In death overs, we don't need to use Shami as Bumrah and Arshdeep will cover up. If anyone of those two get injured, Harshal can be picked.

 

He was poor coz he lacked skill set for format.  

All formats had nothing to do with it was his own lack of skill set . He n jadeja has had one major problem predictably.  

No one gets 2-3 wkts everyday but he is so consistent at leaking runs that he hurts his teams more often. The way he or umesh leaks they regulalry needs 2-3 wkts to justify themselves, even 2 wkts are less

12 minutes ago, Majestic said:

In past, we bowled him a lot in death overs too, a smarter use of him is required and because they haven't tried the likes of Mohsin, Siraj or any other 140 kph new bowl bowler, Shami remains the best bet.

 

 

Siraj has all the tools and did well for 2 yrs in IPL so he shud have been checked. Shami was checked and same result came . 

[singhvivek141]

I can't believe they went with almost same squad which caused them exit from Asia Cup.
One bowler which looked million dollar against a pressure match in Pakistan is now out, while the collar chewing leggie who was bowling wide leg spins to Iftikhar and Nawaz was selected.

Same washed up Bhuvi is selected back again, who was treated like a galli mohalla bowler by Shanaka and Asif during the crucial 19th over, if he had given around 10 runs  in both the games would have been interesting. Hopefully the return of Bumrah will give some respite to Arshdeep. 

Massive respect for Ash, though I don't expect much from him in Australia, he still offer something with the bat so I am not complaining. However, Pant and Hooda are bad selections, one because he can't figure out T20 game yet, other because he don't have any benefit if he bats at no 7. 

I am not very hopeful for T20 WC as I have 0 expectations from this team. Unless Bumrah finds the form, this team will be toasted again.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Aaj tak hua nahin and a big sample suggest how poor he has been in t20 

He was poor coz he lacked skill set for format.  

All formats had nothing to do with it was his own lack of skill set . He n jadeja has had one major problem predictably.  

No one gets 2-3 wkts everyday but he is so consistent at leaking runs that he hurts his teams more often. The way he or umesh leaks they regulalry needs 2-3 wkts to justify themselves, even 2 wkts are less

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Sample isn't big. Shami has played 17 T20I career in his international career which is 10 years old. 

 

I know he is trash in death overs but if you look at my team, I picked him in the squad instead of Harshal who himself is not an all conditions bowler.

 

We have Arshdeep and Bumrah for death overs and Bhuvi as new ball bowler. Death overs is not a concern.

 

Harshal is currently an unknown entity overseas and we don't know how he will do in Australia. It is better to keep him in the reserves rather than in squad.

 

If Shami or Siraj was going to be 4th pacer, we are better prepared for Australian conditions rather than having Harshal. At the moment, we are going with a completely unknown entity in Australia in our 15. 

 

A pace attack of Bhuvi and Arshdeep starting in powerplays is not good enough. Arshdeep has never proved anything in the powerplays and if there is no swing in Australia, watch Bhuvi getting smacked with his 130 kph innocuous medium pace.

 

If Bhuvi does well, it is alright but if he doesn't, you have no one to look at as a new bowl option in that 15 man squad.

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by Majestic

[cowboysfan]

they are good enough to win.even the **** openers KL and Rohit will enjoy the flatter wickets with more bounce.

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

Why was Umran bowling at 145 kmph? Why wasn't he backed like run leaker Avesh who played as recently as Asia Cup? There is lots more going on in the TM meetings and the crooked minds of TM than we know. He deserved more chances. Even Prasidh was tonked in every game and still got more chances!! Look what they have done with Bishnoi now. 

That is the biggest issue , I have with Dravid and Rohit. I can understand if they were saying they want line and length trundlers. Avesh is neither and yet got constant backing where as Umran got sidelined after couple of matches.

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

A well rested Shami has all the tools to make the new ball talk and give early breakthroughs. He is faster than Bhuvi and Deepak Chahar.

 

Go with their skills, he has been poor earlier because he played all formats and hence the consistency was lacking, last year he played 4 tests in a COVId protocol environment and then played the WT20, right now he might well be better rested.  In death overs, we don't need to use Shami as Bumrah and Arshdeep will cover up. If anyone of those two get injured, Harshal can be picked.

 

In past, we bowled him a lot in death overs too, a smarter use of him is required and because they haven't tried the likes of Mohsin, Siraj or any other 140 kph new bowl bowler, Shami remains the best bet.

 

 

 

I think Pandya's 140 kph deliveries kinda made them believe "He is our go to "fast" bowler".  It is a huge gamble. On certain bouncy wickets his strategy may work.

[Majestic]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

I think Pandya's 140 kph deliveries kinda made them believe "He is our go to "fast" bowler".  It is a huge gamble. On certain bouncy wickets his strategy may work.

 

Pandya cannot be relied on for 4 overs. He is an all rounder and he will have bad days.I will go with Bhuvi, Arshdeep and Bumrah but if Bhuvi is getting smashed, we need to have Shami in the XI. In the current squad, if Bhuvi gets smashed or has a fever then we are looking at Arshdeep, Bumrah and Harshal as pace trio. 

 

Deepak Chahar may or may not work either.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Majestic

[putrevus]

IMO,There should be atleast one youngster in the team. It infuses energy and those youngsters play without fear of failure in critical spots.Rohit Sharma 2007 comes to mind,That will also force TMs like Dravid and Rohit who seem to favor experienced players only.

 

Two youngsters or uncapped players with less than year stint with senior team in the squad should be mandotary requirement.This requirement will force these moronic selectors to look for youngsters and it will also force TM to play youngsters.

 

Vengsarkar was one selector who had lot of foresight as a selector.If I am not wrong, he was instrumental in selections of youngsters  like Raina, Ishant, Rohit, Kohli during his tenure in 2006-08.He even sent Ishant as understudy for whole England tour in 2007.

 

Indian teams since 2013 are playing scared in big spots.

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

IMO,There should be atleast one youngster in the team. It infuses energy and those youngsters play without fear of failure in critical spots.Rohit Sharma 2007 comes to mind,That will also force TMs like Dravid and Rohit who seem to favor experienced players only.

 

Two youngsters or uncapped players with less than year stint with senior team in the squad should be mandotary requirement.This requirement will force these moronic selectors to look for youngsters and it will also force TM to play youngsters.

 

Vengsarkar was one selector who had lot of foresight as a selector.If I am not wrong, he was instrumental in selections of youngsters  like Raina, Ishant, Rohit, Kohli during his tenure in 2006-08.He even sent Ishant as understudy for whole England tour in 2007.

 

Indian teams since 2013 are playing scared in big spots.

Against Pakistan only two bowlers stood out were youngsters. The surprise element is a huge factor in T20..They know what Bhuvi will bowl first up. They will be ready. Same with everyone knows weakness of our top order against left arm seamers. You need shock elements. Sl completely caught us off guard with some noobs.

[putrevus]

46 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Against Pakistan only two bowlers stood out were youngsters. The surprise element is a huge factor in T20..They know what Bhuvi will bowl first up. They will be ready. Same with everyone knows weakness of our top order against left arm seamers. You need shock elements. Sl completely caught us off guard with some noobs.

Spot on.Anybody can select the squad they have selected for this t20 worldcup. It does not require any cricketing expertise.Good selectors are the ones who are also good scouts who could project the talent.The young talent especially in t20s add shock and surprise factor..

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Against Pakistan only two bowlers stood out were youngsters. The surprise element is a huge factor in T20..They know what Bhuvi will bowl first up. They will be ready. Same with everyone knows weakness of our top order against left arm seamers. You need shock elements. Sl completely caught us off guard with some noobs.

For selectors shock means Varun C or Chetan Sakariya,

The opposition coaches will be in shock seeing how (non) skillful our bowlers are.
The commentators like Bhogle will be in shock while telling their struggle during childhood.
The fans will be shock when the opposition batters will smoke these shock elements out of the ground.

[Moochad]

Shami has been tried over and over, he never does anything. He can't even stick with a IPL franchise despite being an Indian fast bowler, that's a big red flag.

 

I rather see some young fast bowler