Pakistan and Srilanka LOI bowling is more exciting than India’s: prove me wrong.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

For a start the guy who defended 4 in the 20th over.

Bhuvi did that in 19th over against wi against 2 two set batsman in conditions that had dew and yet he got smacked. Ur telling me to rely on a guy who cudnt hold his position in his IPL team , who lacks experience and doesnt have a good record at any level to even make a claim . U cant such raw products for sake of that most difficult over which even they wont be able to pull off everyday and with their lack of experience of their off days will be many . Kartik tyagi or kuldeep send dont offer enough value to make it to any side regulalry in t20. To offer that just death over value they need to perform at higher consistency and thats how nattu made his case and he also didnt offer new ball value those days. 

 

Cant be so easy getting in a side without any record based on 2-3 performance. Someone like tyagi hasnt even played much in last 2 yrs. 

Having bowlers for future is different vs having in present. 

[Adamant]

3 hours ago, raki05 said:

What about trundler Bhuvi who is worst is death over and Arshdeep exposed this hyped up experienced trundler in all matches by bowling last over accurately. Bhuvi is not jus bad bowler a ghatiya fielder and even ghatiya batter.

We won't need to use Bhuvi at death, bowl his 3 overs upfront and then introduce him once in the middle overs. 

 

Bumrah and Harshal are the death overs specialist. 

 

Balanced bowling attack - 

 

Bhuvi and Bumrah to start

Introduce spin, Pandya and Harshal in middle overs. 

 

Bowl one from Bhuvi - maybe 16th over. 

 

Then Harshal and Bumrah last 4 overs

 

How is this bad? 

[Adamant]

140 + pacers - Bumrah and Pandya

 

Pandya's bouncer bowling style will definitely help him in Aus. 

 

132-140 kph Harshal

 

130 kph Bhuvi. 

 

This is way better than Pakistan's fast bowling lineup, believe you me. 

 

[Adamant]

The squad which won the 2007 world cup had 

 

Irfan Pathan - medium pacer

 

Rp Singh - another medium pacer, only deluded Indians will call him fast

 

Joginder Sharma - lol

 

Sreesanth - the only fast bowler but he got hit all around the park

 

[raki05]

14 minutes ago, Adamant said:

We won't need to use Bhuvi at death, bowl his 3 overs upfront and then introduce him once in the middle overs. 

 

Bumrah and Harshal are the death overs specialist. 

 

Balanced bowling attack - 

 

Bhuvi and Bumrah to start

Introduce spin, Pandya and Harshal in middle overs. 

 

Bowl one from Bhuvi - maybe 16th over. 

 

Then Harshal and Bumrah last 4 overs

 

How is this bad? 

Just because Bhuvi dint get thrashed early against pak it doesn't mean he is some great bowler at opening. He was first touted as all phase bowler.After Asia Cup thrashing he became pp bowler like D chahar, than why not pick chahar who is easily much superior in batting and fielding. BTW death specialist Harshal has yet to get his reality check hope it's not same treatment what Bhuvi trundler recieved awaits for him.There should have only one trundler allowed in the team provides he is good in batting and fielding here we have 2 of them which are bad in other 2 areas as well.

Edited September 13, 2022 by raki05

[Lord]

41 minutes ago, Adamant said:

We won't need to use Bhuvi at death, bowl his 3 overs upfront and then introduce him once in the middle overs. 

 

Bumrah and Harshal are the death overs specialist. 

 

Balanced bowling attack - 

 

Bhuvi and Bumrah to start

Introduce spin, Pandya and Harshal in middle overs. 

 

Bowl one from Bhuvi - maybe 16th over. 

 

Then Harshal and Bumrah last 4 overs

 

How is this bad? 

 

Problem with that is even opposition will know who will bowl when and can plan accordingly

 

Ideally all bowlers should be able to bowl anywhere. ARs can be role specific.

[Moochad]

I think its just because India fans don't watch any Pak or SL matches and we are tried of our stale bowling attack

[Mesky99]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

The squad which won the 2007 world cup had 

 

Irfan Pathan - medium pacer

 

Rp Singh - another medium pacer, only deluded Indians will call him fast

 

Joginder Sharma - lol

 

Sreesanth - the only fast bowler but he got hit all around the park

 

I don't think you watched the 07 world cup, rp Singh was lethal with the new ball during that year, 137-142kph ain't medium pace, he was getting late swing and had a good bumper, it was a good attack, sreesanth stepped up when it mattered, got hit around in the final a bit. Harshal, arshdeep, pandya ain't that level.

[AKane]

Sri Lanka reminds me of the Mark Twain line....  " It is not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the size of the fight in the dog".

[raki05]

9 hours ago, Adamant said:

The squad which won the 2007 world cup had 

 

Irfan Pathan - medium pacer

 

Rp Singh - another medium pacer, only deluded Indians will call him fast

 

Joginder Sharma - lol

 

Sreesanth - the only fast bowler but he got hit all around the park

 

Go watch ko against sa , aus and final against pak and see what speed  RP and sreeshanth were operating . The were always around 140ish and swinging . Check out the zip in their bowling at that speed. RP completely destroyed sa out of first 5 wkts he took 4 of them. Against pak in final also he took all crucial wkts at top and dead over. Sreesanth also took imp wkts of Hayden while he was attacking at the middle. That wc we won because of important contribution of that young fast medium attack. Bhuvi and Harshal lol these trundlers will keep bowling slower and knuckle balls while going get tough these 2 will get thrashed when India would really need a wkt as they keep bowling on 6-7th stump to save their @$$. Looks like Asia Cup thrashing of knuckle koomar doesn't change your Bhuvi bhakti.

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Bhuvi and Harshal lol these trundlers will keep bowling slower and knuckle balls while going get tough these 2 will get thrashed when India would really need a wkt as they keep bowling on 6-7th stump to save their @$$. Looks like Asia Cup thrashing of knuckle koomar doesn't change your Bhuvi bhakti.

Yes their variants are slow/slower/slowest ~ and then some dumbass will bring his numbers from irrelevant games after he's lost of the match! Case in point WC 2019 SF - while NZ bowlers were breathing fire in the opening spell Bhukhi took cheap wickets at the death when the carnage was already done! I think he also dropped a few important catches that tournament, he's most useless waste of space we've ever had since 2k 

[singhvivek141]

12 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Bhuvi did that in 19th over against wi against 2 two set batsman in conditions that had dew and yet he got smacked. Ur telling me to rely on a guy who cudnt hold his position in his IPL team , who lacks experience and doesnt have a good record at any level to even make a claim . U cant such raw products for sake of that most difficult over which even they wont be able to pull off everyday and with their lack of experience of their off days will be many . Kartik tyagi or kuldeep send dont offer enough value to make it to any side regulalry in t20. To offer that just death over value they need to perform at higher consistency and thats how nattu made his case and he also didnt offer new ball value those days. 

 

Cant be so easy getting in a side without any record based on 2-3 performance. Someone like tyagi hasnt even played much in last 2 yrs. 

Having bowlers for future is different vs having in present. 

That can only be gained by giving chances, I am not saying play him immediately in the T20 WC but he can be given chances post that. Bhuvi is a non-existent entity in 2 out of 3 formats and an utter mediocre one in the format where he plays. 

I find it funny that the guy was selected for BG trophy despite lack of experience and while he impressed everyone with his pace and accuracy in warmup games, now the same bowler is nowhere in the scheme of things.

Edited September 14, 2022 by singhvivek141

[raki05]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Yes their variants are slow/slower/slowest ~ and then some dumbass will bring his numbers from irrelevant games after he's lost of the match! Case in point WC 2019 SF - while NZ bowlers were breathing fire in the opening spell Bhukhi took cheap wickets at the death when the carnage was already done! I think he also dropped a few important catches that tournament, he's most useless waste of space we've ever had since 2k 

Exactly it's important to understand how he achieved that economy. As he might have escaped out with good economy, when player was playing defensively. But at crunch time where he really needed to ball economically he get exposed like Asia Cup.

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

That can only be gained by giving chances, I am not saying play him immediately in the T20 WC but he can be given chances post that. Bhuvi is a non-existent entity in 2 out of 3 formats and an utter mediocre one in the format where he plays. 

 

Let others even achieve that 

 

12 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I find it funny that the guy was selected for BG trophy despite lack of experience and while he impressed everyone with his pace and accuracy in warmup games, now the same bowler is nowhere in the scheme of things.

becoz he has been injured and hasnt played much due to it, whats so difficult to understand.............no one will get selected like that unless he is an established cricketer 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Let others even achieve that 

 

This can become true if opportunity is given to more bowlers, Siraj, Shami and Bumrah who all have debuted after Bhuvi had proven that. 

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

becoz he has been injured and hasnt played much due to it, whats so difficult to understand.............no one will get selected like that unless he is an established cricketer 

 

I am unable to understand from where this theory has come up that he's injured and not playing due to that.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

This can become true if opportunity is given to more bowlers, Siraj, Shami and Bumrah who all have debuted after Bhuvi had proven that. 

 

Bumrah is already permanent

Shami has been so bad that he ends up loosing his place, how can he get more opportunity . 

Siraj has been more off in t20s then on

 

IPL gives enough opp to all , opp are earned not given in charity. Siraj had a very poor IPL which is why he lost his chance

Arshdeep has performed in tough games yr after yr thats why he got a chance, 2-3 games cant be compared to a guy who has been performing for 2-3 yrs now. 

 

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

I am unable to understand from where this theory has come up that he's injured and not playing due to that.

 

 

Theory ??? he has been injured. Even during IPL he was and when played the game after finishing the spell he felt a discomfort and left 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 9/13/2022 at 11:23 AM, Adamant said:

We won't need to use Bhuvi at death, bowl his 3 overs upfront and then introduce him once in the middle overs. 

 

Bumrah and Harshal are the death overs specialist. 

 

Balanced bowling attack - 

 

Bhuvi and Bumrah to start

Introduce spin, Pandya and Harshal in middle overs. 

 

Bowl one from Bhuvi - maybe 16th over. 

 

Then Harshal and Bumrah last 4 overs

 

How is this bad? 

 

PP- Bhuvi (3 overs) and rest wud be divided between Axar, hardik, bumrah, arsheep, Ashwin ( a lot will depend on matchups). Axar will give more pp value the jadeja

 

So captain has enough options to rotate in PP 

 

Middle overs- Bumrah - hardik, chahal, axar and Arsh/harshal 

 

Bhuvi will come in here in between complete his one over wherever they wanna stop runs 

 

Death overs- Bumrah- Arshdeep/Harshal and and chahal can be used in death, leg spinners are being used at death now days . Chahal took 14 wkts from 16-20 this yr in IPL 

 

Its a very good attack , since every phase is well covered and captain has enough options to play around 
With so many options captain can use Bumrah like how he wants , use him when pressure is most high ..............going after bumrah in high pressure is quite dangerous 

[vvvslaxman]

Damn that Theekshana not just spins but also swings the new ball like Tendulkar used to do in his early days.  Then they have this Malinga clone.

[raki05]

Lol other than Bumrah all bowlers are defensive they are not wkt takers. Basically our TM and jhola expert mindset are so rotten that they are selecting defensives  attack, whereas many other teams have selected  attacking bowler who can take wkts in any part of game.Our planning is, so and so trundlers should ball in pp , other trundler should ball in mo and Bumrah should save our @$$ in death over. What happened if some proactive team thrashed this bhuvi in pp, than Bhuvi become useless for entire match as other than pp he can't bowl anywhere else and he is complete moron in another 2 things which is batting and fielding. Same goes with other defensive trundlers. I mean how can you go in a tournament with such rotten mindset, that you are hoping to complete quota of your defensive trundlers as per planned strategy economically. You don't have  have anyone other than Bumrah whom you can bank on to get a wkt on crucial moment especially in low scoring games. Would these trundlers would still ball economically where Indian batting has failed and scored around 140-150 , you are not even taking in to account scenarios. Complete moronic.

[Jay]

13 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Rp was at his peak in 2007 ,you don't know that then that's your problem.

Adamant is the number 1 dumbass of this forum along with thatvother moron putrevus. He is as clueless aa they come. He is a closet parki. They are known to have a vacuous space between their ears. So... yea