dial_100 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 The leadership of Kar BJP is weak and people sense that and vote accordingly. Congress won. Thats what matters. Congratulations to them. Lets see what they do with power in the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 39 minutes ago, dial_100 said: The leadership of Kar BJP is weak and people sense that and vote accordingly. Congress won. Thats what matters. Congratulations to them. Lets see what they do with power in the state. If it is weak good luck to them in 2024 they will not be able to get the LS seats. After Yeddy seems like they have no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 hour ago, gattaca said: If it is weak good luck to them in 2024 they will not be able to get the LS seats. After Yeddy seems like they have no one. Congress won Assembly elections here in 2013 but that didn't stop BJP winning majority of the constituencies here in 2014 LS elections. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said: Congress won Assembly elections here in 2013 but that didn't stop BJP winning majority of the constituencies here in 2014 LS elections. They didn’t get full majority in 2018, with 36% vote share , in 2019?they got 26 LS seats (close to 170 odd assembly seats) In 2023, the vote share is same as 2018 36%, Modi’s popularity has not diminished, so BJP should be safe in Kar to get 20+ LS seats on 224. But a year is a long time in politics Edited May 15, 2023 by coffee_rules dial_100 and randomGuy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) Hearing that Muslims have demanded 5 cabinet berths including home ministry & a deputy cm for supporting cong...Its a travesty that Zameer Ahmed khan accused of looting money through a islamic banking scam and with several criminal cases is the front runner for home ministry. Edited May 16, 2023 by diga randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, coffee_rules said: They didn’t get full majority in 2018, with 36% vote share , in 2019?they got 26 LS seats (close to 170 odd assembly seats) In 2023, the vote share is same as 2018 36%, Modi’s popularity has not diminished, so BJP should be safe in Kar to get 20+ LS seats on 224. But a year is a long time in politics I think bjp alone will get 325, if they field Yogi which they will in future they will get 400. 15 years of Modi till 2029, and then 15 years of yogi, so I believe 30 years of Bjp . But state units should have strong leaders such as yogi, hemanta, fadnavis, Bandi Sanjay Kumar, Kapil Mishra, T Raja Singh, annamalai ....we need many many more. Edited May 16, 2023 by randomGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 On 5/2/2023 at 3:22 PM, G_B_ said: I think the way the BJP have set up, they are predicting it to be hung. They will aim for 80-95 seats. They will wait for DKS faction to lead the alliance with Jd(S). Sidda will try to destabalise from the outside. Let Cong and JD(s) become unpopular before Ls 2024. Gain most seats. Then use CG to do an operation lotus. We need to wait and see what happens. Good thing from the BJP is that they have controlled rebellion and have some good fresh faces. The future of the BJP is BSY's son. The problem with opinion polls is that they fail to predict strategic voting by Jd(s) and BJP cadre in Old Mysore and Bangaluru. There is a floating 3--4% vote in these seats which will shift on election day depending on the dictate from higher up. If BJP does end up getting 35% as per CVoter then they will 100% by in the 85-100 segment. I dont think BJP calculated consolidation of muslim votes (in this case almost 90% of muslims voted for Cong) ... If BJP is aiming for Lingayat votes, Bommai is a softie & BSY's son is neither charismatic nor a tough cookie. They need someone else to emerge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, diga said: I dont think BJP calculated consolidation of muslim votes (in this case almost 90% of muslims voted for Cong) ... If BJP is aiming for Lingayat votes, Bommai is a softie & BSY's son is neither charismatic nor a tough cookie. They need someone else to emerge What was the number in the previous elections? Wouldn't be too dissimilar. To my politically untrained simpleton mind, it is not Muslim vote, but no show/shift of those who generally vote for the BJP that have caused its defeat. That, and hubris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, diga said: I dont think BJP calculated consolidation of muslim votes (in this case almost 90% of muslims voted for Cong) ... If BJP is aiming for Lingayat votes, Bommai is a softie & BSY's son is neither charismatic nor a tough cookie. They need someone else to emerge More than Muslims votes, it was about weak JDS candidates that KSwamy gave up to Congress that caused this shift. It was mutual, in case where JDS was strong, like in Hassan, Congress had a dummy and viceversa. Maybe JDS will return the favor to BJP in 2024 LS Elections like they did in 2019 towards BJP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, Mariyam said: What was the number in the previous elections? Wouldn't be too dissimilar. To my politically untrained simpleton mind, it is not Muslim vote, but no show/shift of those who generally vote for the BJP that have caused its defeat. That, and hubris. Not sure of previous elections as JD(s) & AIMIM did poll significant votes.. for this , the data is from Sunni board https://www.dnaindia.com/topic/india/video-we-want-social-justice-muslims-of-karnataka-demand-dy-cm-from-their-community-3042544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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khadekhademaaro Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 18 hours ago, coffee_rules said: You should fix your GPS. Goalpost Positioning System. It keeps shifting. First you denied they shouted PKMKB Jhantubad. After proven wrong , now you claim BJP paid them to cause ruckus. Pick one. Opposition claimed sanghis caused church attacks, nun rapes which were all fake. This is a new one that BJP pays to hear Pakistani Zindabad in India. BJP themselves called Delhi, Pakistan, free of cost. Still new one for you? That Karnataka will become like Pakistan because congress has come in is a useless narrative and not fetching votes. It is like gutter se gas. Work for the people on the ground instead of highlighting anti Pakistan stuff and macro data. Otherwise more thrashing is on the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 hours ago, khadekhademaaro said: BJP themselves called Delhi, Pakistan, free of cost. Still new one for you? That Karnataka will become like Pakistan because congress has come in is a useless narrative and not fetching votes. It is like gutter se gas. Work for the people on the ground instead of highlighting anti Pakistan stuff and macro data. Otherwise more thrashing is on the way Anti-incumbency was key for the loss.plus they had no retort for 40% allegation, Modi cannot solve leadership problems and Kar is not Gujarat to gain from splitting votes. JDS and Congress adjustment politics is ley for their loss. If people voted in same number as in 2018 , shows that BJP has not lost its core voters. People vote differently in general elections, looking at PM candidates. If you guys have RaGa/Momta/KRS/Arvind like candidates, it’s hard to defeat BJP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khadekhademaaro Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Anti-incumbency was key for the loss.plus they had no retort for 40% allegation, Modi cannot solve leadership problems and Kar is not Gujarat to gain from splitting votes. JDS and Congress adjustment politics is ley for their loss. If people voted in same number as in 2018 , shows that BJP has not lost its core voters. People vote differently in general elections, looking at PM candidates. If you guys have RaGa/Momta/KRS/Arvind like candidates, it’s hard to defeat BJP. who said na khud khaaoonga, na khaane doonga. Why were BJP leaders not arrested in Karnataka like Sisodia. Before PM elections, there are 4 or 5 state elections. Are you still going to bank on anti Pakistan rhetoric? Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 44 minutes ago, khadekhademaaro said: who said na khud khaaoonga, na khaane doonga. Why were BJP leaders not arrested in Karnataka like Sisodia. Before PM elections, there are 4 or 5 state elections. Are you still going to bank on anti Pakistan rhetoric? I am not defending here, but if somebody says 40%, they need more proof. Just that BJP leaders didn’t counter it, makes it proven that there was widespread corruption like Sisodia. In AAP’s case there is the L&O dept alleging, not cockfighting politicians. As long as Pakistanis canvass for opposition leaders , there is no harm in using it politically for elections. Congress leaders have gone to Pakistan and on camera have asked to take down Modi. If that is the case, why can’t BJP use it politically to win elections? raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Also Centre govt. Was getting too cocky or feeling invincible for my liking in fact entire support system (inc paid media as well) so this thrashing was very much need of the hour for India overall. Hopefully Centre Govt. Gets back on track. Second term has been absolutely pathetic compared to the highs of Modi 1.0. Can't shove Modi down our throats & we will forget problems coz of his stardom. Rest of the inept BJP (barring Yogi, Hemanta ofc) need to pay. nevada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: Also Centre govt. Was getting too cocky or feeling invincible for my liking in fact entire support system (inc paid media as well) so this thrashing was very much need of the hour for India overall. Hopefully Centre Govt. Gets back on track. Second term has been absolutely pathetic compared to the highs of Modi 1.0. Can't shove Modi down our throats & we will forget problems coz of his stardom. Rest of the inept BJP (barring Yogi, Hemanta ofc) need to pay. 2024 is not going to be easy. Massive foreign funding angainst BJP will be anbaila and freebies from opposition will come, BJP core votes will not cut it, it has to split opposition votes. Edited May 16, 2023 by coffee_rules raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: 2024 is not going to be easy. Massive foreign funding angainst BJP will be anbaila and freebies from opposition will come, BJP core votes will not cut it, it has to split opposition votes. Needs to be a tight election... I felt 303 in 2019 gave them some over confidence & they took everything for granted since then. Foreign conspiracy (US +West) could be anything even internal or external troubles (via Pak) or try its best to form a unstable government. Heard Modi is going to US this year so he might cut a deal or something with Biden... To cool things off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Also Centre govt. Was getting too cocky or feeling invincible for my liking in fact entire support system (inc paid media as well) so this thrashing was very much need of the hour for India overall. Hopefully Centre Govt. Gets back on track. Second term has been absolutely pathetic compared to the highs of Modi 1.0. Can't shove Modi down our throats & we will forget problems coz of his stardom. Rest of the inept BJP (barring Yogi, Hemanta ofc) need to pay. +1. Good governance should be the calling card of any party, not star power. Lone Wolf, Under_Score and diga 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 On 5/15/2023 at 7:25 PM, gattaca said: Congress already has infighting over CM post. This is where BJP does good job. Somehow congress had this problem from long time ago. Infighting only happen when there are leaders BJP since Modi have stopped grooming leaders barring Adityanath. They like earlier congress just want people to vote on face of Modi. This strategy works for short time but if their is popular state leader on other side then defeat is imminent in state elections Under_Score, Stan AF, diga and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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