I fail to understand exclusion of Ashwin: Sachin Tendulkar

[Gollum]

That 285 runs partnership and Carey scoring in both innings killed us. Also Warners's underrated knock in the first session. Ashwin was a big miss.

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, Bublu Bhuyan said:

He might have been a King till 2019, since then he has been a pauper. And that’s how he will end his career. But until then, his blind and rabid fan base will keep their support for him.

He has been King of his bots

 

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Anyways, it hurts speaking bad about Kohli, since I've been such a big fan of his. Perhaps it was my frustration speaking, not me.

[sensible-indian]

5 hours ago, Vijy said:

even if we assume ashwin would do better than umesh/thakur (which is debatable), a 200 run thrashing will not be reversed by 1 player. real culprits were top 5 + bharath's lack of batting ability

Nope. Travis plus carey scored 200 runs in first innings.

 

Both wouldnt have crossed 50 together against Ash.

 

Match lost there.

 

Now consider his impact in second innings and there was a very very good chance of Indian victory.

 

5 lefties where only Khwaja is good against Ash (still can fall against him).

 

Its common sense selection.

Edited June 12, 2023 by sensible-indian

[Gollum]

Sehwag, Prasad question Ashwin's exclusion after Tendulkar's tweet

 

'Rohit and I think differently': Ganguly; Ponting, Manjrekar, Vaughan flabbergasted after India drop R Ashwin for WTC final

 

Sunil Gavaskar tears into Rohit and Co. for leaving out R Ashwin

 

Hayden slams India's decision to drop Ashwin

 

I can't believe R Ashwin isn't playing for India, says Steve Waugh

 

SRT isn't alone. 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Sehwag, Prasad question Ashwin's exclusion after Tendulkar's tweet

 

'Rohit and I think differently': Ganguly; Ponting, Manjrekar, Vaughan flabbergasted after India drop R Ashwin for WTC final

 

Sunil Gavaskar tears into Rohit and Co. for leaving out R Ashwin

 

Hayden slams India's decision to drop Ashwin

 

I can't believe R Ashwin isn't playing for India, says Steve Waugh

 

SRT isn't alone. 

 

 

 

There is another selection mystery that has gone totally under the bus.  Kuldeep's non-selection since his 8 wicket haul and 40 runs.  Axar and Jaddu were both similar type of bowlers. Only reason Axar was preferred because he was going to be a cover for our inept top order. All the juggling happens down the order.

[figo6762]

Agreed rohit should have been dropped for ash 

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

Nope. Travis plus carey scored 200 runs in first innings.

 

Both wouldnt have crossed 50 together against Ash.

 

Match lost there.

 

Now consider his impact in second innings and there was a very very good chance of Indian victory.

 

5 lefties where only Khwaja is good against Ash (still can fall against him).

 

Its common sense selection.

Trav did ok even in Ind in home pitches; quite presumptuous statement that you are making

[zen]

Would not have made much of a difference to the final outcome.
 

The issue here is scoreboard accounting where people tend to favourable outcomes at face value while substituting unfavorable ones with imagined favourable outcome. 
 

So for example:

 

X scored 0

Y scored 100

Z scored 20 

 

The delusional scoreboard accounting would substitute Y’s 100 with say a 50, with X and Z’s score remaining the same by changing a factor.

 

The reality is that changing a factor changes various other dynamics too. So if A was played instead of B, the score could even be:

 

X 100

Y 50

Z 50

The fact is that Ashwin is among the least successful spinners in SENA despite his success against left handers or whatever. 
 

If 10 people make an 11 each, the likely hood of everyone picking the same 11 is remote. The captain or a coach will have a couple of picks based on how a player is shaping up, confidence level, conditions, team composition, etc. they are allowed to have that margin. Team selection is not a voting process where players getting the most votes are picked. 

 

At the end of the day, these are more like self consoling exercises. 

 

[Chakdephatte]

57 minutes ago, zen said:

 

The fact is that Ashwin is among the least successful spinners in SENA despite his success against left handers or whatever.

 

Numbers point out to a different story.

Edited June 12, 2023 by Chakdephatte

[vvvslaxman]

Thread pollution alert

[vvvslaxman]

Self-proclaimed analyst repeatedly coming up with garbage analysis is getting old.

[zen]

Just now, Chakdephatte said:

 

Numbers say otherwise.

 

They don't!

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
EAS Prasanna	1967-1978	20	34	5771	2336	78	8/76	11/140	29.94	2.42	73.9	5	1
BS Bedi	1967-1979	25	42	7076	2789	90	6/127	10/194	30.98	2.36	78.6	5	1
BS Chandrasekhar	1967-1979	19	32	4994	2225	71	6/38	12/104	31.33	2.67	70.3	6	1
RJ Shastri	1981-1992	21	36	4340	1628	47	5/125	8/179	34.63	2.25	92.3	1	0
A Kumble	1990-2008	35	67	11317	5224	141	8/141	12/279	37.04	2.76	80.2	5	1
RA Jadeja	2013-2022	18	31	4017	1777	47	6/138	7/258	37.80	2.65	85.4	1	0
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2011	19	34	4796	2476	62	7/120	7/102	39.93	3.09	77.3	3	0
R Ashwin	2011-2022	23	40	5685	2709	66	4/55	7/121	41.04	2.85	86.1	0	0

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

1 test in  Nz over a period of 12 years is a sample for one genius lol  

[zen]

14 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Thread pollution alert

 

12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Self-proclaimed analyst repeatedly coming up with garbage analysis is getting old.

 

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

1 test in  Nz over a period of 12 years is a sample for one genius lol  

 

 

Not interested in noobs ... In my book, you know nothing about sports, stats, or whatever. Like an empty vessel you make some noise here 

 

And on top of that you try to compete as if you are some equal but to me it is as if I am driving in my Ferrari and a guy in his old bike tries to get into a race that I am not even aware of. 

 

You have done this a few times so letting you know!

 

Remain in peace! 

[vvvslaxman]

Ashwin vs Nz on neutral and away average 20

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/26421.html?class=1;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;opposition=5;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings

[vvvslaxman]

South Africa did bot even play in the 70s  where is SENA coming into picture I mean  this mental case shiuldnstick to ipl. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

South Africa did bot even play in the 70s  where is SENA coming into picture I mean  this mental case shiuldnstick to ipl. 

 

Again you are trying hard troll, which is what you are, as if people care  ... Note that this is above your pay grade (no one is going to bother giving you an explanation. Live in the world of your own dumb assumptions ) 

 

Reminds me of beggars in India, who first ask for $$$, and when you don't, they start to  

 

 

 

 

 

[sensible-indian]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

Trav did ok even in Ind in home pitches; quite presumptuous statement that you are making

He scored most of his runs chasing 78 in 4th innings (3rd test) and the 90 in ammedabad 2nd innings on the dead pitch.

 

Tahts 140 out of his 235 runs in that tour.

 

Other 4 innings, ashwin got him out twice (incl in Ahmedbad patta - first innings)...while Jaddu and shami gor him once each.

 

Even if he didnt get Head out in Oval, he would have slowed down his scoring rate and prevented him from running away with the game.

 

Also another factor is Carrey and Star scored 150 runs in that test.

 

That just aint happening against Ashwin.

 

So no matter how we slice or dice it  ....ashwin in the team would have resulted in a close defeat or a victory.

 

The issue was that the team management drank the 4 pacer koolaid and paid a heavy price.

 

Irony is that the 4 pacer template didnt even work in SA or Eng 2022.

 

It only worked against a weak Eng 2021 side.

 

Most teams will prefer 4 pacers in Oval cos they dont have Ash and Jaddu.

 

But we had them.

 

Thats the tragedy of it.

 

This mistake is up there with Yuvi 2014 t20 world cup.

 

One selection error which cost the nation the cup.

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by sensible-indian

[Lord]

Ashwin has mental edge v Aus and particularly Smith. That alone warranted his selection.

 

The team was picked only seeing the pitch on 1st day.