Pakistan announced Squad for Asia Cup & Afg series

[vvvslaxman]

It is a case of India not being a settled side. Especially the middle order. This has been the case since 2017 CT final. But Dhawan/Rohit/Kohli were reasonably in good form. Gill showed signs of taking over. But he is a pitch dependent batsman atleast for now. When Iyer and Pant were around India looked far more settled. 

[Norman]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Salman is turning out to be a more than a decent inclusion...  His off spin is just add on.  Another Hafeez in the making I'd say. 

Chachu Ifti is a Misbah style spin hitter.  He is their best power hitter by far. 

 

Usama Mir is in great form and dude gas batting ability as well so he is a good back up option of Shadab. 

 

 

We can say all these things about anyone lol. I can say Pandya is a great hitter of spin and what not. And that Kishan can win a game on his own if he clicks..or Gill if he gets a good batting wicket.. bla bla you get the idea.

 

Bottom line is , there are only 2-3 match winners in that Pak side. Fakhar, Shaheen , Rauf and maybe benefit or the doubt to Babar even though he usually does fukk all against us. 

 

We have a more solid overall unit and that usually counts more in longer formats than having half a handful of mavericks (which usually works in T20).

[Vickydev]

4 hours ago, Norman said:

 

 

We can say all these things about anyone lol. I can say Pandya is a great hitter of spin and what not. And that Kishan can win a game on his own if he clicks..or Gill if he gets a good batting wicket.. bla bla you get the idea.

 

Bottom line is , there are only 2-3 match winners in that Pak side. Fakhar, Shaheen , Rauf and maybe benefit or the doubt to Babar even though he usually does fukk all against us. 

 

We have a more solid overall unit and that usually counts more in longer formats than having half a handful of mavericks (which usually works in T20).

Their usp is the depth their all rounders provide. Harris Rauf would probably be #8 for us but he will bat #11 for them, esp if Wasim Jr is playing.

 

However I think they will come unstuck in big scoring games. Outside of Fakhar and Ifthikar I don't see anyone who is capable of carrying out an onslaught. Salman Agha looks a stylish player who might be one but don't suppose he is a certainty for the first XI? 

[Sean Bradley]

Expect Jaydev Unadkat & KL Rahul back in our team.

[Nikhil_cric]

18 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Salman is turning out to be a more than a decent inclusion...  His off spin is just add on.  Another Hafeez in the making I'd say. 

Chachu Ifti is a Misbah style spin hitter.  He is their best power hitter by far. 

 

Usama Mir is in great form and dude gas batting ability as well so he is a good back up option of Shadab. 

 

Their team is no way a world beater but in Asian Conditions I'd put them ahead of current Indian side. 

I can't name  one decent match winner in Indian batting order right now.  When Kohli at the fag end of his career is your best hope against Pakistan bowling...  It's definately panic button time. 

Chacha is a pace hitter not a spin hitter.

[Nikhil_cric]

Not a lot of noise about RSA this time round with the focus on ENG, OZ, PAK. 

 

SA have selection constraints but a squad of

 

Qdk

Reeza

RVD

Bavuma

Miller

Klassen

Markram

Brevis

Muthuswamy

Mulder

Linde

Jansen

Rabada 

Nortje

Magala/Coetzee(Magala is quality but terrible fitness)

 

is potentially a very high quality 50 over side. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Chacha is a pace hitter not a spin hitter.

Smashed Ashwin in Australia in that WC game...  Sheer Misbah esque tonking technique.  No going down the track but high back lift & clearing front leg then bang.. 

It helps in hitting pacers as well no doubt..  However no slog sweep against spin. 

[Nikhil_cric]

15 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Smashed Ashwin in Australia in that WC game...  Sheer Misbah esque tonking technique.  No going down the track but high back lift & clearing front leg then bang.. 

It helps in hitting pacers as well no doubt..  However no slog sweep against spin. 

No other team is stupid enough to play a specialist off spinner and then bowl him to right handers. 

 

Quality SLA 's and legspinners have tied him down and got him out. 

[Falcon]

@Austin 3:!6 @Lone Wolf @maniac

 

PCT has regressed significantly but some indians continue believing like it's Bradman's invincibles.

 

Lone Wolf Warrior is single handedly continuing this proud legacy of jinxing PCT. I assume either he is overestimating PCT to get instant prompt orgasm when Rohit & co defeats PCT or he is attempting to jinx our West Indies level team.

 

I had still not forget when one of you opened a thread about "how the hell this useless Wade found his way in mighty Aussie Team" & minutes later, Wade smashed 4 sixes off Shaheen & won the match for Aus.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Falcon

[Falcon]

You indians have habit of overestimating PCT.

 

Batters

Imam is a chankana. a genuine FTB.

Saud Shakeel is a test batsman, his power game is even less developed than Misbah's. A useless player in modern ODIs.

Babar is selfish. scores soft runs.

 

Lower MO

Some of you get orgasm over our lower MO batters, but reality is, Lala, even at this age, is miles better lower MO batter than Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah, Shadab Khan, Iftikhar & Imads of the world. We have tried numerous batters & A/R @ 6, 7, 8 but no one has shown promise. Lala was inconsistent but he was a genuine match winner.

 

Spinners: Shadab, Nawaz, Usama are somewhat descents. But they are not world beaters. Rashid Khan, Adil Rashid, Zampa, Kuldeep have more matchwinning performances.

Pacers

Some of you say that Shaheen is one of the best bowlers around the globe, but he didn't know how to bowl in middle overs or with old ball. Wade of all people smashed 4 sixes off him!

Naseem is a timid bowler with new ball & prefers defensive back of length bowling in PP of ODIs, just like your Bumrah.

Haris Rauf is inconsistent.

Hasnain has lost in wilderness.

Wasim Jnr is not consistent.

@the don, a pseudo Pakistani, successfully ended up jinxing Ihsanullah besides other countless young promising speedsters. Ihsanullah is suffering from elbow injury, PCB's medical team is treating him but given their track record how they treated Zahid Junaid Khan & Abbas, he will likely end up being another Archer.

 

All things considered, PCT may be slightly better than WI team & that's it.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Falcon

[Vijy]

22 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Salman is turning out to be a more than a decent inclusion...  His off spin is just add on.  Another Hafeez in the making I'd say. 

Chachu Ifti is a Misbah style spin hitter.  He is their best power hitter by far. 

 

Usama Mir is in great form and dude gas batting ability as well so he is a good back up option of Shadab. 

 

Their team is no way a world beater but in Asian Conditions I'd put them ahead of current Indian side. 

I can't name  one decent match winner in Indian batting order right now.  When Kohli at the fag end of his career is your best hope against Pakistan bowling...  It's definately panic button time. 

they can beat anyone once the combo is worked out. and for sure they can beat india even as it stands. 8 or 9 wkt loss loading up for india. If pak does worse than that, they have only themselves to blame

[Lone Wolf]

37 minutes ago, Falcon said:

@Austin 3:!6 @Lone Wolf @maniac

 

PCT has regressed significantly but some indians continue jinxing it like it's Bradman's invincibles.

 

Lone Wolf Warrior is single handedly continuing this proud legacy of jinxing PCT. I assume either he is overestimating PCT to get instant prompt orgasm when Rohit & co defeats PCT or he is attempting to jinx our West Indies level team.

 

I had still not forget when one of you opened a thread about "how the hell this useless Wade found his way in mighty Aussie Team" & minutes later, Wade smashed 4 sixes off Shaheen & won the match for Aus.

No jinxing dude just straight up facts...  Have u seen Indian batting line up in last year or so? 

With Pant Iyer injured..  We are literally on one leg.  If Pakistan cannot KO this team in Asia Cup...  Then they should not even bother coming to India.

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

No other team is stupid enough to play a specialist off spinner and then bowl him to right handers. 

 

Quality SLA 's and legspinners have tied him down and got him out. 

We have Kuldeep so it won't be easy for Chachu...  I bet he would fancy himself against floaty juicy stuff of Chahal with no googly.  Jadeja is a straight up darter..  Chachu should have no trouble. 

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

We have Kuldeep so it won't be easy for Chachu...  I bet he would fancy himself against floaty juicy stuff of Chahal with no googly.  Jadeja is a straight up darter..  Chachu should have no trouble. 

we will play chahal in place of kuldeep. TM likes him too much

[Falcon]

9 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

No jinxing dude just straight up facts...  Have u seen Indian batting line up in last year or so? 

With Pant Iyer injured..  We are literally on one leg.  If Pakistan cannot KO this team in Asia Cup...  Then they should not even bother coming to India.

 

With Imam & Saud in ODIs, & Babar captaining the side, we can't beat any decent/modern ODI side. England's B team easily whitewashed PCT in 2021 in 3 match ODI series.

& I have listed shortcomings of our other players above in my 2nd post.

 

If you still believe PCT is better than indian team, there's a proverb in Urdu dooor ke dhol suhaane (grass is greener on other side)

[Number]

That middle order looks undercooked. May struggle in games where both Babar and Fakhar get out early. Have seen Chachu bat like Chris Martin against decent leggies like Adil Rashid, Hasranga.

Their fast bowling is good but I haven't seen much of Shadab in ODIs. He is very good when batters try to go after him in T20s.

 

[First class]

Faheem is the only bad, very bad selections , rest are OK. 

[Gollum]

12 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Smashed Ashwin in Australia in that WC game...  Sheer Misbah esque tonking technique.  No going down the track but high back lift & clearing front leg then bang.. 

It helps in hitting pacers as well no doubt..  However no slog sweep against spin. 

Went at just over run a ball against Ashwin.

He smashed Axar for 20+ runs in an over with 3 6s.

[Bigg Brother]

13 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

No other team is stupid enough to play a specialist off spinner and then bowl him to right handers. 

 

Quality SLA 's and legspinners have tied him down and got him out. 

He smashed Axar for 3 sixes in the wc game.

[Nikhil_cric]

55 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

He smashed Axar for 3 sixes in the wc game.

His record vs spin

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ask/cricket-qna/Iftikhar-Ahmed-batting-average-vs-spin&tournament=allt20

 

His record vs pace

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ask/cricket-qna/Iftikhar-Ahmed-batting-average-vs-pace&tournament=allt20