Kulcha vs Kulbi

[vvvslaxman]

Kuldeep 28 years old

Chahal 33 years old

Bishnoi 22 years old

 

Chahal 79 matches 5 man of the match awards

Kuldeep 31 matches 4 man of the match awards

Bishnoi 11 matches 1 man of the match award

 

Kuldeep can bat a bit, can't strike big, Can bamboozle top players, Fieldingwise better than Chahal

Bishnoi can bat a bit,  On a good day he can hit a six too.  Good defensive bowling option. Far better fielder than Chahal

Chahal almost brings nothing else to the table other than bowling. So if he has an off day. That's it. He can't do anything else to make up for it.

 

 

 

 

Age/skill/Dimensions every which way Chahal is inferior.

Edited August 12, 2023 by vvvslaxman

[rkt.india]

Can't have too many bowlers who cant bat. Need batting at least till 8. Only then top order can bat freely in t20s. Kuldeep is a must, two good specialist fast bowlers are 9, 10, 11 and then build rest of the Bowling attack around them. Bishnoi is too one dimensional. Need two good bowling alrounders who can tonk at 7, 8; one spinner and one seamer. Currently Harshit Rana, Hangargekar, and Umran Malik are three options for #8 to be groomed. All three can tonk sixes. Whoever bowls better should get the nod. Harshit is probably the best batsman among them and bowling is impressive too. But where is that one spin alrounder, we can look at, for #7. Looking beyond Jaddu and Axar as we know what they offer. We can always play a spin alrounder at 8 too if conditions are spin friendly like in WI. For that we have Axar but I am not sold on Axar at #7 in T20. 

Edited August 12, 2023 by rkt.india

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Can't have too many bowlers who cant bat. Need batting at least till 8. Only then top order can bat freely in t20s. Kuldeep is a must, two good specialist fast bowlers are 9, 10, 11 and then build rest of the Bowling attack around them. Bishnoi is too one dimensional. Need two good bowling alrounders who can tonk at 7, 8; one spinner and one seamer. Currently Harshit Rana, Hangargekar, and Umran Malik are three options for #8 to be groomed. All three can tonk sixes. Whoever bowls better should get the nod. Harshit is probably the best batsman among them and bowling is impressive too. But where is that one spin alrounder, we can look at, for #7. Looking beyond Jaddu and Axar as we know what they offer. We can always play a spin alrounder at 8 too if conditions are spin friendly like in WI. For that we have Axar but I am not sold on Axar at #7 in T20. 

 

Jadeja relies on once in a blue moon quick fire innings. Axar can easily be tied down by certain type. Also we are not sure whether whatever the form he showed was a flash in the pan. Even then he is very limited.  Sundar is also not a stroke player.  He is just a timer. You would rather look for a batsman who can bowl spin. Rana, Parag kind of players. On Indian pitches guys like Rana can be handy. India has to start looking for seamer all rounders.

[Sgattick10]

Can try manav sutar Or anukul roy 

[zen]

Kuchbhi per TM’s call as there is no night and day difference (as many would like to perceive) b/w Chahal and Bishnoi. 

Both Kuldeep and Bishnoi (tends to bowl Googlies) mostly bring the ball in to the right hander, while Chahal takes the ball away. Therefore, it depends upon the options the TM wants to have on the field, along with the need to give games to develop Biahnoi. 
 

 

[Sean Bradley]

Yeh Mausam hai Patjad ka,

Kulcha toh bahana hai,

Aas toh hai ArS ki (Arshdeep Siraj)

Lekin unhe JU hi khana hai. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Sean Bradley

[Number]

Bishnoi needs to learn to bowl the leg break. Just googly will not take him anywhere.

[Frustrated]

I had very high expectation from bishnoi.   But he has disappointed me a lot. It seems he has only 'googly' as a go-to ball and is too predictable with his bowling.      I dont want chahal in the team either.  But there are not too many quality spinners right now.  Having said that, kuldeep is a MUST.   

[putrevus]

How Kuldeep will fare against better teams is yet to be seen.He is a must in both shorter formats.

 

Bishnoi has turned into one trick pony but I would have Bishnoi over Chahal.

[Lord]

Chahal not only can't bat/field, he also can't bowl in PP. So even in bowling he's restricted.

 

Bishnoi/Sundar/Axar/Sindhu are good options.

 

If we want a batting AR who can bowl spin guys like Parag/Tewatia/Abhishek are there

 

No need for Chahal when so many options are available.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How Kuldeep will fare against better teams is yet to be seen.He is a must in both shorter formats.

 

Bishnoi has turned into one trick pony but I would have Bishnoi over Chahal.

 

He has put every team under pressure at some point of his career. His only issue is to understand even the greatest of the greatest spinners will go for punishment for time to time. SOmetiems 2 or 3 overs in a row. Some times 2 or3 matches in a row. But they are the ones who will still bamboozle any opposition out. In 2019 world cup Kuldeep got smashed. He was not the only one. Rashid khan was smashed for close to 100 runss against England.  It can happen in LOIs. We just have to continue backing him instead of bringing in an "economY" merchant.

[putrevus]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He has put every team under pressure at some point of his career. His only issue is to understand even the greatest of the greatest spinners will go for punishment for time to time. SOmetiems 2 or 3 overs in a row. Some times 2 or3 matches in a row. But they are the ones who will still bamboozle any opposition out. In 2019 world cup Kuldeep got smashed. He was not the only one. Rashid khan was smashed for close to 100 runss against England.  It can happen in LOIs. We just have to continue backing him instead of bringing in an "economY" merchant.

Yes he did but that was before he went off course. He needs to be backed , he will end up as a bigger match winner than any fast bowler.

 

He should have played against England in last t20 semi finals.

[vvvslaxman]

19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Yes he did but that was before he went off course. He needs to be backed , he will end up as a bigger match winner than any fast bowler.

 

He should have played against England in last t20 semi finals.

 

Age is still on his side. One good thing is he has very little or no competition in the wrist spin department. Most of the guys we have in domestic are left arm orthodox spinners. Sandhu, Suthar, Mulani, Saurabh. Off spinners are rare. 

[putrevus]

25 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Age is still on his side. One good thing is he has very little or no competition in the wrist spin department. Most of the guys we have in domestic are left arm orthodox spinners. Sandhu, Suthar, Mulani, Saurabh. Off spinners are rare. 

You don't get to play in semifinal everyday. Thats what was so disappointing in that semifinal.He was not even in the squad.

 

You don't win by loading up with defensive bowlers in whiteball cricket. You need wicket taking bowlers,  batting is secondary skill.If bowling is same then only batting should be considered a plus point.

 

Indian team cannot outscore good teams on any wicket. 

[Gollum]

Chahal's batting, fielding, attitude etc. are so pathetic that we start every game with a deficit of 20 runs before he even gets a bowl. Then there are other downsides like he can't bowl in death, can't bowl in PP, can't bowl when we are under the pump, can't bowl with wet ball. Frankly this useless guy shouldn't even make it to a 5th or 6th string Indian XI. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Gollum

[Lone Wolf]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Chahal's batting, fielding, attitude etc. are so pathetic that we start every game with a deficit of 20 runs before he even gets a bowl. Then there are other downsides like he can't bowl in death, he can't bowl in PP, he can't bowl when we are under the pump, he can't bowl with wet ball. Frankly this useless person shouldn't even make it to a 5th or 6th string Indian XI. 

He can't bowl a googly too...  Idk how Indian Eggsperts defend him or even call him a wrist spinner? 

[Lone Wolf]

48 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Age is still on his side. One good thing is he has very little or no competition in the wrist spin department. Most of the guys we have in domestic are left arm orthodox spinners. Sandhu, Suthar, Mulani, Saurabh. Off spinners are rare. 

BCCI must develop another Chinaman bowler...  Pakistan has found one already.  If not a 150k pacer we can surely find & groom a left arm unorthodox spinner. 

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

BCCI must develop another Chinaman bowler...  Pakistan has found one already.  If not a 150k pacer we can surely find & groom a left arm unorthodox spinner. 

 

don't think we have another chinaman.

 

But Varun C has found 2nd wind as mystery bowler. Was unfairly dropped in 1st place.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

don't think we have another chinaman.

 

But Varun C has found 2nd wind as mystery bowler. Was unfairly dropped in 1st place.

 

I bagged VC a lot. But i have to say he is a surprising options on tracks that don't get impacted hugely by dew. Not many can pick him immediately and he can bowl at good pace inside power play.  Bit like Theekshana who is pretty much doing the same. In T20s he is probably the only option to bowl inside power play for us. But an atrocious fielder with no batting skills. So he bloody has to be good  at his trade most of the time

[Lone Wolf]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

don't think we have another chinaman.

 

But Varun C has found 2nd wind as mystery bowler. Was unfairly dropped in 1st place.

I think there must be others...  I heard about one in Kerala that Steve Smith took few years ago to practice against Kuldeep. 

They don't get opportunity in domestic cricket as they are highly inconsistent & hence never find the spotlight. 

Just like a 150k pacer they require special guidance...  As they are just as rare. 

Kuldeep was spotted early & made it to U19 WC hence he found his way.  Was mediocre in IPL too.