Kohli led Indian team's camaraderie with Pakistanis affecting the team's focus and performance?

[Trichromatic]

14 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Pakistani and Indian players shared a lot of camaraderie during 80s and 90s, and India lost most of the matches.

 

After 2000 the new bunch of players like Sehwag Ganguly Gambhir etc were not involved in any public display of camaraderie and were openly giving statements against Pakistan. This was the time India kept beating Pakistan most of the time.

 

Now Virat Kohli has started this new public display of friendship and camaraderie with Pakistanis. Others seem to follow his lead.

 

When you are hugging laughing joking with your rivals how are you going to focus on beating them? The intensity will naturally disappear.

 

Now we seem to be chasing the Pakistanis.

 

Pakistanis seem to enjoy when Indians are trapped in this camaraderie and lose focus, while Pakistanis dont lose focus and perform better.

 

I am not even going to go into what message Kohli and co. are sending by having this bonhomie with Pakistanis while the country is at war with them.

 

Look at how Ukrainian and Russian athletes behave with each other.

 

 

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India won 18 and lost 22 ODIs v Pakistan in 2000s.

 

Since 2013, India has won 7 and lost 3 ODIs v Pakistan.

Won 5 and lost 2 T20Is v Pakistan.

 

How does 18 out of 40 become most of the matches?

 

It's just perception. India lost home ODI series to Pakistan 4-2 with strong batting line up which had all players in form.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2004-05-61525/india-vs-pakistan-6th-odi-64943/full-scorecard

 

2000s team was getting bowled out for low score on flat pitches.

 

 

[Mesky99]

It's nothing to do with the Punjabi belt thing, most Indian players are not from Punjab and the Pak team is 65% pasthun, hardik a Gujarati has been showing a lot of love, so has kl, jadeja etc, it's all for the camera and Instagram following, Pak fan base on numbers is the second biggest, more social media followers more money, no love shown by Siraj, shardul, kishan etc, it's the seniors that are doing it, the Pak players may have good intentions but all this religious jingoism will come out if they beat india, Babar thou is a good man but this Pak team does use religion as a tool.

[Mesky99]

14 hours ago, Number said:

Sehwag, Harbhajan, Yuvraj were friends with Pakistanis. Nobody tormented them like Sehwag.

Sehwag was never friends with any of them, it was Sourav that was close with their players, the u19 u23 played don't have this syndrome, kohli and the seniors are the culprits, anyway pretty sure Siraj, shardul, prasidh would be aggressive against their batters.

[AuxiliA]

It's all for the cameras. Kohli only does it for PR and it has paid off for him.

 

I don't mind it at all as long as he doesn't act like an apologist for Pak, which so far he hasn't.

[raki05]

5 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

It's all for the cameras. Kohli only does it for PR and it has paid off for him.

 

I don't mind it at all as long as he doesn't act like an apologist for Pak, which so far he hasn't.

Also kohli is super fattu he knows pakistani jahil jingoist will troll him to death if he try to pull same antics like one he does against afgani, bdesghi and windian players.Even if a pawki player slap him this fattu will smile and give shabashi to him.He doesnt care about how this rauf’s and all react to his junior teammates ,as long as they give jhappiya pappiya to him this fattu is ok.

Edited September 3, 2023 by raki05

[Deucalion]

Some 10 years ago . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

also at present 

 

 

 

 

[someone]

One have to realize these are celebs first, and rich people always want to meet fellow rich people.

 

It's basic networking, and creating lobby for themselves.

[Sharjah-Harjah]

A total non-topic. Gangully and Sehwag and co were just a better Indian team, and they were competitive not just against Pak but also vs rest of the world. 

 
For all his camaraderie, Kohli has been the ONLY reason India has been competitive vs Pakistan in the last 3-4 years and the reason India dominated Pak in 2010s. Without Kohli, India would have been embarrassed in at least 4-5 games. 

 

I am a Pakistani and I LOVE virat Kohli, even though he’s given me so many heart breaks. He’s an incredible human and we need more humans like him to lead by example and spread love and friendliness. 

[Sharjah-Harjah]

7 hours ago, raki05 said:

Also kohli is super fattu he knows pakistani jahil jingoist will troll him to death if he try to pull same antics like one he does against afgani, bdesghi and windian players.Even if a pawki player slap him this fattu will smile and give shabashi to him.He doesnt care about how this rauf’s and all react to his junior teammates ,as long as they give jhappiya pappiya to him this fattu is ok.

Common bro. Don’t fall to hate. 

[Sharjah-Harjah]

11 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

India won 18 and lost 22 ODIs v Pakistan in 2000s.

 

Since 2013, India has won 7 and lost 3 ODIs v Pakistan.

Won 5 and lost 2 T20Is v Pakistan.

 

How does 18 out of 40 become most of the matches?

 

It's just perception. India lost home ODI series to Pakistan 4-2 with strong batting line up which had all players in form.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2004-05-61525/india-vs-pakistan-6th-odi-64943/full-scorecard

 

2000s team was getting bowled out for low score on flat pitches.

 

 

Yes, it’s a myth that India “dominated” Pak. India was ahead of Pakistan by 10/20%.

 

Since 2000, Pak has won 2 ODI series. India has won 3.

India and Pak have won 1 test series each, and 2 were drawn.

 

Attached is what domination looks like 
 

 

[vice]

11 hours ago, Mesky99 said:

It's nothing to do with the Punjabi belt thing, most Indian players are not from Punjab and the Pak team is 65% pasthun, hardik a Gujarati has been showing a lot of love, so has kl, jadeja etc, it's all for the camera and Instagram following, Pak fan base on numbers is the second biggest, more social media followers more money, no love shown by Siraj, shardul, kishan etc, it's the seniors that are doing it, the Pak players may have good intentions but all this religious jingoism will come out if they beat india, Babar thou is a good man but this Pak team does use religion as a tool.

 

Technically in the current team, Kohli, Bumrah, and Gill are of punjabi origin. Each one is different in their personality. 

Even Gambhir, who has been more vocal,  is of punjabi origin.

 

 

 

 

 

[the don]

12 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

India won 18 and lost 22 ODIs v Pakistan in 2000s.

 

Since 2013, India has won 7 and lost 3 ODIs v Pakistan.

Won 5 and lost 2 T20Is v Pakistan.

 

How does 18 out of 40 become most of the matches?

 

It's just perception. India lost home ODI series to Pakistan 4-2 with strong batting line up which had all players in form.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2004-05-61525/india-vs-pakistan-6th-odi-64943/full-scorecard

 

2000s team was getting bowled out for low score on flat pitches.

 

 

Thankyou. One of the biggest myths being peddled is that India was a better ODI team than pakistan in the 2000-2010 period. India was only better in the 2010-2020 decade.

[the don]

Pakistan had the better of India even during the 2000-2010 decade. No idea how this misconception about India doing better came about.

[Gambit]

Since 2006, India has won 20 out of the last 32 ODIs against Pakistan. This win % is the same as Pakistan's best decade against India (in terms of win %s) which was 1980s where they won 19 out of 30. That was over 10 years. This is over 17 years. 

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, the don said:

Thankyou. One of the biggest myths being peddled is that India was a better ODI team than pakistan in the 2000-2010 period. India was only better in the 2010-2020 decade.

Correction, make it post 2006 era (or the era by which MSD took over). The series when we beat Pakistan in Pakistan 4-1 courtesy of MS, Yuvraj, Sachin and bowlers like RP, Sreesanth, Irfan, Agarkar, that was the change post which Pakistani team used to struggle against India in general.

 

India and Pak played maximum during 90's, the time when Indian cricket was at its low. Between Mumbai Attacks till 2020, we hardly played each other...

 

Post 2021 Indian cricket is again in decline due to the reasons mentioned in this forum thousand of times and hence need transformation, once that's complete (Hopefully after this WC) this will be back to status quo.

 

India dominates Pakistan in the lower age group which indicates where the potential lies, its just that we don't have a place in the international team due to presence of "established" players. 

 

Now we're slowly seeing the influx of youngsters...Yashasvi, Ruturaj, Tilak with bat the bat.. & Bishnoi, Prasidh, Umran with bowl. Our "young" team was able to reach to the finals of U-23 Asia Cup beating Pakistan, Bangladesh in the league stage tells you much about the potential these guys have. They lost the finals but at the end hopefully they learned what it takes to be a top team at grand stage.

[Gollum]

11 hours ago, the don said:

Thankyou. One of the biggest myths being peddled is that India was a better ODI team than pakistan in the 2000-2010 period. India was only better in the 2010-2020 decade.

Pak had the upper hand in 2000-2009. In 2001-2010 India had the winning record IIRC. We lost many many games to Pak in the 1999-2000 period...in Sharjah, India (Pepsi cup or something where we lost all 6 games against Pak/Lanka) and the tri-nations cup in Aus. 

 

Also India had the edge in ODIs till the Sharjah last ball 6 match, some 8-6 or something, that final changed the tide of the rivalry decisively. Pak was very dominant in the 1986-2000 period. Then we next met in 2003 Centurion and tide turned once again, though not as one-sided as the 1986-2000 period. 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Gollum

[Gollum]

More often than not Kohli performs against Pak, so don't care about these things. Also there is the Bollywood factor, fanbase on social media etc. Most PR nowadays is fake. 

[the don]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Pak had the upper hand in 2000-2009. In 2001-2010 India had the winning record IIRC. We lost many many games to Pak in the 1999-2000 period...in Sharjah, India and the tri nation cup in Aus. 

 

Also India had the edge in ODIs till the Sharjah last ball 6 match, some 8-6 or something. Pak was very dominant in the 1986-2000 period. 

No thats the myth im trying to address

in the 2000-2010 decade pakistan won 22 odis against India losing 18. So it was 22-18.  Pakistan werent as dominant like in the 90s giving rise to this myth in India. In 2005 they won a 6 match series in india 4-2 with the likes of Rana naved leading the attack

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, the don said:

No thats the myth im trying to address

in the 2000-2010 decade pakistan won 22 odis against India losing 18. So it was 22-18.  Pakistan werent as dominant like in the 90s giving rise to this myth in India. In 2005 they won a 6 match series in india 4-2 with the likes of Rana naved leading the attack

Skewed because of 2000. Rest of the decade even I guess. 

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

12 hours ago, someone said:

One have to realize these are celebs first, and rich people always want to meet fellow rich people.

 

It's basic networking, and creating lobby for themselves.

Indeed, as Voltaire apparently said; "When it is a question of money, everybody is of the same religion."

 

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