The middle order question for Bharatiya cricket team

[SM2907]

The top 3 look certain Rohit, Shubman, Virat. In an odd scenario, If Ishan had to be an opener or at 3, then either Rohit will have to shift to the middle order or Kohli will have to shift to 4. This is unlikely to happen or we may have seen it in the Asia cup games.

 

But there is an open question on who would be  4 , 5 , 6. Below are some options. 

 

Rahul, Ishan (wk), Hardik - Brings in LHB, however there is an untested Ishan at that position. 

 

Shreyas,  Ishan (wk), Hardik - Can Rahul be kept out of the 11 !

 

Shreyas , Rahul (wk), Hardik - No LHB. Shreyas is attacking batsman

 

Rahul (wk), Shreyas, Hardik - No LHB. Shreyas is good with spinners.

 

Rahul (wk), Hardik, Shreyas - Hardik takes some time to settle whereas Iyer can get going immediately after coming in

 

Ishan coming in at 4 is unlikely. So what is your pick for the Middle Order?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Majestic]

Shreyas, Rahul/Kishan, Hardik.

 

It's ODI cricket. There is enough time.

[ravishingravi]

Rahul, Surya and Hardik 

Rahul, Ishan and Hardik 

Rahul, Surya and Ishan 

[R!TTER]

Why can't none of those *s use their feet, even the likes of Dravid/Yuvraj used to do that against just that one new ball a decade back!

[Lord]

Has to be Kishan Rahul, Hardik.

 

 

[kubrickian]

Ishan Kishan is a hack and always will be. The sooner Indian mgmt realizes this the better, otherwise he is just going to create lot of issues for the batting.

[Kothili]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

Has to be Kishan Rahul, Hardik.

Has to be Rahul, Kishan/Shreyas, Hardik.

[IndiaWC8311]

I'd go with Rahul, Dube and Pandya. Dube bring left handedness and power hitting and can bowl a few overs. Can be used strategically to take down spin which will be used a lot in the WC

[vvvslaxman]

The way  i see it in reecnt times Shreyas is the only guy who has shown the tendency to build an innings at an acceptable pace without losing the wicket. Other guys have the tendency to go into shell or not being able to build the innings properly.  Besides Iyer in the outfield is a much better choice than Kishan who tries his best. But not a natural. Iyer can roll his arm in a worst case scenario. 

 

Iyer, Rahul, Pandya, Jadeja will have to handle the innings rebuilding after a collapse. Kishan tough luck as KL Rahul clicked back to back. Kishan is not a terrible choice over Iyer. But overall Iyer is better for India as he is a bit like MSD. Ideally Chahar in place of Thakur would be wonderful. That will give us decent depth and variety.

[ravishingravi]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

The way  i see it in reecnt times Shreyas is the only guy who has shown the tendency to build an innings at an acceptable pace without losing the wicket. Other guys have the tendency to go into shell or not being able to build the innings properly.  Besides Iyer in the outfield is a much better choice than Kishan who tries his best. But not a natural. Iyer can roll his arm in a worst case scenario. 

 

Iyer, Rahul, Pandya, Jadeja will have to handle the innings rebuilding after a collapse. Kishan tough luck as KL Rahul clicked back to back. Kishan is not a terrible choice over Iyer. But overall Iyer is better for India as he is a bit like MSD. Ideally Chahar in place of Thakur would be wonderful. That will give us decent depth and variety.

 

Can't play the short ball. That's a big handicap even in India. 

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Can't play the short ball. That's a big handicap even in India. 

 

 He pulled Haris Rauf's 145k infront of the wicket. He has worked really well. He is better than many guys who can't even hit it behind

[Nikhil_cric]

On pitches like these, there has to be some flexibilty rather than make Kishan bat at 5 if at all he plays. He cannot play on such pitches unless he gets to bat at the top and hits pacers in the powerplay. That is not going to happen with Rohit and Kohli in Top 3.  

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

On pitches like these, there has to be some flexibilty rather than make Kishan bat at 5 if at all he plays. He cannot play on such pitches unless he gets to bat at the top and hits pacers in the powerplay. That is not going to happen with Rohit and Kohli in Top 3.  

 

There was an article about Kishan in T20Is. More than 50% of his deliveries were dot balls. That didn't impact ODIs much as you can take a bit of time. B ut this innings far too many dots. He simply doesn't have the skill to rotate strike. 

[Nikhil_cric]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

There was an article about Kishan in T20Is. More than 50% of his deliveries were dot balls. That didn't impact ODIs much as you can take a bit of time. B ut this innings far too many dots. He simply doesn't have the skill to rotate strike. 

Yeah but I didn't realise that he was a poor hitter of spin too. Can't play slog sweeps etc. Very limited range against spin. 

[nevada]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

The way  i see it in reecnt times Shreyas is the only guy who has shown the tendency to build an innings at an acceptable pace without losing the wicket. Other guys have the tendency to go into shell or not being able to build the innings properly.  Besides Iyer in the outfield is a much better choice than Kishan who tries his best. But not a natural. Iyer can roll his arm in a worst case scenario. 

 

Iyer, Rahul, Pandya, Jadeja will have to handle the innings rebuilding after a collapse. Kishan tough luck as KL Rahul clicked back to back. Kishan is not a terrible choice over Iyer. But overall Iyer is better for India as he is a bit like MSD. Ideally Chahar in place of Thakur would be wonderful. That will give us decent depth and variety.

Iyer is a safe bet to make sure we post a good total even if we lose early wickets. It's a shame he keeps getting injured so much. 

[prudent_kreeda]

If India have to take a punt , then replace either Ishan or Shreyas and include Tilak in 15. 

Pros

1. MO Leftie.

2. Very good , agile fileder.

3. Can bowl 3-4 overs 

4. should fare better vs spinners  as he has played quite a lot  in domestic and has better defence vs spinners.

More than that he is  A CERTAIN INDIA MATERIAL  with real potential , so back him to the hilt !.

Any other country would have made plans to have him in WC team by giving exposure if you look at india MO issues.

[Nikhil_cric]

12 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

If India have to take a punt , then replace either Ishan or Shreyas and include Tilak in 15. 

Pros

1. MO Leftie.

2. Very good , agile fileder.

3. Can bowl 3-4 overs 

4. should fare better vs spinners  as he has played quite a lot  in domestic and has better defence vs spinners.

More than that he is  A CERTAIN INDIA MATERIAL  with real potential , so back him to the hilt !.

Any other country would have made plans to have him in WC team by giving exposure if you look at india MO issues.

Ishan has to be in the squad because useless top order batsmen will neither bowl nor do part time keeping. 

 

Shreyas Iyer has got to be there because he is likely to play spin better than anyone not named KL in the entire lineup or we'll struggle like we did yesterday - assuming Shreyas is fit that is .

 

This guy ,in a more competent setup, and for the reasons you mentioned would have made it ahead of the so called spare batter who can neither bat, nor bowl nor do part time keeping  and is still learning the ODI fornat at 33.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lord]

4 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

If India have to take a punt , then replace either Ishan or Shreyas and include Tilak in 15. 

Pros

1. MO Leftie.

2. Very good , agile fileder.

3. Can bowl 3-4 overs 

4. should fare better vs spinners  as he has played quite a lot  in domestic and has better defence vs spinners.

More than that he is  A CERTAIN INDIA MATERIAL  with real potential , so back him to the hilt !.

Any other country would have made plans to have him in WC team by giving exposure if you look at india MO issues.

 

just replace SKY with Tilak and Axar with Sundar.

[coffee_rules]

We have KL, Iyer and Ishan in MO. If Hardik and Jadeja are more reliable, at least the top 3 can and should play no-holds-barred aggressive cricket in PP, at least this WC. Stop tuk-tuking top 3!!

[vvvslaxman]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

 

just replace SKY with Tilak and Axar with Sundar.

 

This SKY fetish won't end until this world cup. THey have this imaginary niche situation where India needs 100 runs in last 10 overs and SKY will come and finish the game for us.