India needs a training from strong mental coach (military)

[Chaos]

I think prior to big ICC tourneys, india should get trained mentally by strong military type coache’s. That way they know that they are playing for - country, 1.4 billion people, and pride of the nation. Im sure kohli would be out, kl will come up with another child being born that week, pandy (oh dorry my knee got hit by a straight throw).

 

thoughts?

[vvvslaxman]

Captain needs to break the cycle, pull out surprises. He has to make changes on the fly.  If you go in with set template every match it is easy for opposition to come up with plan. MSD has done changes over the years that proved to be vital going against norm.  First Yusuf Pathan opened the batting in the final of world T20 something that was not expected.  One would have thought Uthappa would have opened.  Then in 2011 world cup in quarter final Ashwin was picked and also given 5 overs in the power play.

In the final instead of sending Yuvi at 5 he promoted himself to counter Murali as a match up. Neither Kohli nor Rohit never had any sort of out of the box thinking. 

Anyway that is not the only issue here. Indian team structure is designed "Not to " win a world cup. It is just easy to turn a match winning unit into an associate level side just by getting rid of top 3 batsmen. Whole dynamics change immediately. That 3rd wicket is very very vital in this Indian side. If you take 3rd wicket early enough you are almost there in a crucial match. Indian bowlers for all their talent and skill have to contribute way more with fielding and batting. This is just not good enough. Same way atleast one or two Indian batsmen have to contribute with ball. You need depth in both departments. Atleast 8 players should be fielding brilliantly. We are relying on "perfect" games at this point. So mental coaches won't work.

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

Neeyat kaise badlegi is se. Yeh fir bhi apne doston ko khilayenge. 

[cricketfan28]

need luck more than anything.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, cricketfan28 said:

need luck more than anything.

 

Need match winners like Poonam Pandey. She made a promise in 2011 world cup. Indian team obliged it.

[Chaos]

56 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Need match winners like Poonam Pandey. She made a promise in 2011 world cup. Indian team obliged it.

Dhoni won same year. Since then we got a half broken coconut with flowers in it. Even wi slammed us… smh

[Sandz]

Knowing BCCI, they will probably end up get someone like Asrani.

[Number]

I think we need more triangular qudrangular series. Playing in finals there will serve as good practice for ICC knockouts atleast in mental side of things.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Number

[raki05]

4 hours ago, Number said:

I think we need more triangular qudrangular series. Playing in finals there will serve as good practice for ICC knockouts atleast in mental side of things.

Thats right idea, if one thing i hate bcci for is killing triangular and quadrangular series, they were so gun to watch.

[Number]

23 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Thats right idea, if one thing i hate bcci for is killing triangular and quadrangular series, they were so gun to watch.

They killed it coz IPL takes eats major chunk of international season. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

6 hours ago, Number said:

I think we need more triangular qudrangular series. Playing in finals there will serve as good practice for ICC knockouts atleast in mental side of things.

Do other teams play these? Even stuff like WSC has been long gone.

[BlueBlood]

The reality is you need a strong coach and TM.

 

Pick players who are in red hot form and play them in key flexible positions.

 

Everyone knew Rinku Singh was in red hot form but SKY was chosen for experience to learn how to play 50 overs cricket in a world cup of all places.

 

Everyone knew more left handers were needed in the side yet Jaiswal was not even picked in the top 15 as a backup opener.

 

Everyone knew we needed a Hardik Pandya replacement yet neither Venky Iyer nor Deepak Chahar or someone similar was even picked.

 

You don't make stupid mistakes like this.

 

In both WC we won Yuvraj was promoted up the order as he was in red hot form. He was not hidden as a lower order hitter.

 

Seniority culture of making SKY T20 team captain instead of punishing him for such a pathetic performance in WC final is exactly why the team will never win where it matters.

 

If seniority was more important Travis Head would never have gotten into the Aussie side. He would have had to wait for his spot and Matthew Wade would have been his replacement.

[Lord]

You need to back youngsters who are good instead of seniority quota. 

[Vijy]

On 11/27/2023 at 9:16 PM, vvvslaxman said:

 

Need match winners like Poonam Pandey. She made a promise in 2011 world cup. Indian team obliged it.

She's still alive... presumably. could be asked to do a repeat

[NameGoesHere]

Trained by the military -  I couldn’t disagree more; IMO it is retrograde thinking.

 

First of all we are not Pakistan or Bangladesh.  This idea smacks of  Pakistani or BD style thinking, where fans call for military style training for their cricketers, because the fauj is the only respected institution.  Not true for India.
 

Second this assumes that the military will give some sort of competitive mental or physical edge.   Not true for us.  India’s wealthy cricket system attracts high quality experts of all sorts, we don’t need the army.
 

In fact the top 100 cricketers probably have access to better trainers and mental health experts than army officers.  
 

Third, one or two short training’s may be ok, but we’re talking of a very specialised l skill set for elite sports a focusing on a few individuals (100? 200?) in that sport.  Armies work by the numbers, and have a mass focus.  Any available military training can’t really compensate, IMO

Edited November 29, 2023 by NameGoesHere

[Nikhil_cric]

On 11/28/2023 at 7:13 PM, raki05 said:

Thats right idea, if one thing i hate bcci for is killing triangular and quadrangular series, they were so gun to watch.

BCCI didn't kill them.  The calendar is just too stuffed now with T20's taking a huge chunk out of it.  If India refuses to play Pakistan, then it will be difficult to garner interest in a tri series or else every other tri series will have to be a Big 3 tri series.   

[raki05]

33 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

BCCI didn't kill them.  The calendar is just too stuffed now with T20's taking a huge chunk out of it.  If India refuses to play Pakistan, then it will be difficult to garner interest in a tri series or else every other tri series will have to be a Big 3 tri series.   

Atleast rather than arranging mutiple biletral they can arrange few triangular or quadrengular , so that they can have experience of multinational tournament.

[Gollum]

Cricket needs to be banned in this country, even before Bollywood.

[Frustrated]

On 11/28/2023 at 2:48 PM, Number said:

I think we need more triangular qudrangular series. Playing in finals there will serve as good practice for ICC knockouts atleast in mental side of things.

We hv won 3 out of last 4 asia cups (which are similiar to triangular/quadrangular tournaments).  Some of the those asia cup matches hv been under high pressure and very close.  (viz: Ind vs Ban 2018 Asia Cup Final and Nidhahas Trophy Final vs Ban).    But unfortunately, that has not helped us clinch any ICC trophy.  

Edited December 7, 2023 by Frustrated

[Frustrated]

I think the thing which is primarily acting as a road block on Ind winning ICC tournaments is the lack of multi skilled players in the set up.   Batters can't bowl at all.  Bowlers can't bat at all.  Our ARs (viz: Pandya, Chahar etc) spend more time in hospital and with Ad agencies than on the cricket field.   

Edited December 7, 2023 by Frustrated