Stan AF Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 Another Tamil movie which came earlier this year called bluestar is also quite good. It deals with class struggles as ash mentioned and local politics based cricket movie.
Gollum Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Are you serious? There is Baskaaran straight off the bat from me. There were several hockey players I'm thinking of that are from TN but need to confirm. Bro, Baskaran is now 73. TN had even better hockey players like Phillips and Govinda in the 70s (the 1975 WC win was bigger than 1980 Moscow which most of the world boycotted, all our main rivals from the West and Pakistan skipped Moscow.), Dhyan Chand's immortals had representation from Madras State. TN also had great tennis players once upon a time, but for the last 30-40 years, there is a lack of representation from TN in Indian sports, not just cricket. That is a lot of years, half of independent India's history......and TN has (for Indian standards) a very good economy, good HDI, big population, sports infrastructure etc. As you said, probably a mindset problem where the youth don't see a future in sports, or don't train enough or with the right attitude. Edited April 19, 2024 by Gollum
Lone Wolf Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 37 minutes ago, mishra said: Exactly. Brahmins are there to be blamed for what is wrong with Hinduism. Fact is morality and ethics constantly evolving in any society in world. Brahmins lost hold over evolution of morality and ethics in Hindu Society the day their centres of Research (which was Indian Universities destruction like Takshila, Nalanda, Vallabhi or temples like Somnath, Kashi, Mathura,Ayodhya,Martendya,Bateshwara and hundreds of temples in Qutub Minar and thousands more in rest of India) and enforcement tools in society (which was various kingdom ruled by Hindus who respected them and their views). What morality and ethics and social behaviour is attcked is actually frozen in time since days of Raja Dahir or in many cases introduced due automatic defence mechanism of society (for example customs like Sati, Child marriage, Ghoonghat, Ivory bangles, inequality in Women freedom). Given opportunity, with limited amount of freedom, Brahmins evolved to again influence the society. Its impact of that which is why India today is going toward caste nullification, social/religious/custom equality, gender equality and so on. Brahminism is a concept whose job is constantly improve Indian society History won't ever be kind to Brahmins... They will be blamed for weakening society or pushing way too much divide & backwardness which made country ripe for picking by invaders... Which may or may not be right completely but either way they are blamed by all. Post Independence... Brahmins Khatris and Parsis have built this country through their sweat and blood & pushed for modernization. Their contribution is immense. LC's as much as they detest this but it is plain truth. rollingstoned 1
Gollum Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 28 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: But you were talking about physical strength when you were talking about hockey. Its not like MH produces better food than TN. Making a note to try out vadapavs from Mumbai I talked about physical strength of Selvam, why he isn't a guaranteed starter despite his skillset. He was getting physically bullied a lot in the FIH Pro League. Marathis too don't do that well in sports, just better than TN. Haryana, Punjab, North East are the gold standard.
Gollum Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 This Tamil Brahmin angle was also pushed a lot in chess because most of our GMs till 10 years back were Iyers and Iyengars. But now you have non-Brahmins like Pragg, Gukesh, Arjun coming up nicely. And guess what, Vishy Anand (an Iyer) has been personally training candidates qualified Pragg, Vaishali and Gukesh for the last 4 years in his Soviet style academy in Chennai (other students like Arjun, Leon Luke, Nihal Sarin, Raunak Sadhwani). Our best chess coach is Ramesh RB, another Brahmin, who coached Aravind, Pragg to become GMs, still doing a lot for Indian chess. You think these guys care about caste or religion? They are working towards bigger goals like making India a chess superpower, preparing future world champions and training schoolkids to take down Carlsen in a few years time. Only jobless, stupid, hateful people will cast aspersions or bring in caste and divide people. This gatekeeping theory is far fetched. Why didn't Tam Brahms gatekeep chess, nobody would have raised an eyebrow because of their achievements (in contrast to TN cricket who can't win a freaking Ranji). All AICF top posts have been occupied by non-Brahmins, mostly Northies. Wonder why Vishy never got involved in all that politics then? Vicks57, rollingstoned, Real McCoy and 1 other 1 3
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mishra Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: History won't ever be kind to Brahmins... They will be blamed for weakening society or pushing way too much divide & backwardness which made country ripe for picking by invaders... Which may or may not be right completely but either way they are blamed by all. Post Independence... Brahmins Khatris and Parsis have built this country through their sweat and blood & pushed for modernization. Their contribution is immense. LC's as much as they detest this but it is plain truth. Each time Sachin failed in batting order in important game, we remember that. No one blames other 10 except in exceptional cases Lone Wolf and Real McCoy 2
Real McCoy Posted April 19, 2024 Author Posted April 19, 2024 16 minutes ago, mishra said: Each time Sachin failed in batting order in important game, we remember that. No one blames other 10 except in exceptional cases My reason to blame him is for a different reason. it triggers plenty of his fans mishra and Gollum 2
Gollum Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 1 hour ago, Real McCoy said: My reason to blame him is for a different reason. it triggers plenty of his fans Anything that pisses off @Laaloo, I approve. mishra, Stan AF, Laaloo and 1 other 3 1
Real McCoy Posted April 19, 2024 Author Posted April 19, 2024 ^^^ Sorry I thought you had a brain. This was discussed in a match thread of all places. This is a free forum where people can discuss as the please. Lord 1
Mariyam Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 On 4/17/2024 at 6:43 PM, coffee_rules said: Muslims are majority of beneficiaries of EWS as they are made to qualify under EWS and not under special OBC category as done in some states. When Kar removed Ms from OBCs, they were told they would qualify under EWS with a larger quota of 10% Can you share your source here? Real McCoy 1
Muloghonto Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 9 hours ago, Real McCoy said: IMO people like Vishy are brahmins in the original form. The original purpose of Brahmins was to make other people better and help them in their progress towards the divine. The other form as many Tamils are indoctrinated by Periyar and co, also existed. There is a semblamce of truth to their theories only they target the entire bunch of brahmins and argue for reservation and persecution is where I have an issue with. There is a general lack of understanding that Brahmins can also falter in their behavior and not forgiving any past mistakes is also a problem. As @mishra mentioned all classes failed in one way or another. But only brahmins are blamed because they are the guiders. We have to stop the blame game but there is politics to be done with it and people are not willing to let go of that opportunity. There is no semblance to truth in any of the dravidian/periyarist theories. 1. Brahmins are by far the least oppressive of the clergy class of any non-dharmic religion. Brahmins don't make it their business to semonise about someone being a sinner for adultery or usury or such things, they don't demand obescience or bribery to absolve the sin they went crusading to find. They also don't ask people to make animal or human sacrifice like the european pagans did. 2. Indus valley is not dravidian, dravidian being the original inhabitants of india with aryans being migrants is a debuked theory ( check Heggarty et al 2023 for eg). 3. Tamil is not the oldest language in the world, not by a long shot - sumerian is the oldest attested language and we have indo-european languages like Mitanni, Hittite, etc. which are older in archaeological record than Tamil. 4. The dravidians were far more staunch hindu than the aryans of the north, something you often see in converted populations going an extra mile than the originator population in religions ( Spaniards were way more catholic than italians in the medieval period, Pakistani vs saudis today, etc) ash 1
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coffee_rules Posted April 19, 2024 Posted April 19, 2024 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: Can you share your source here? https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/karnataka-muslim-reservation-waqf-board-unhappy-over-4-quota-ews-bommai-2351401-2023-03-25 https://amp.scroll.in/article/1048144/explainer-how-do-muslims-get-reservations-in-india “ Status of reservations Several Muslim communities get reservations in the Central OBC and several state OBC lists. According to a 2005 National Sample Survey Organisation survey, Muslim OBCs constitute around 41% of the total Muslim population. While states like Kerala have OBC reservations for the entire Muslim community (8% in educational institutions and 10% in government jobs), states like Tamil Nadu provide reservations to close to 95% of Muslim communities. There are other states such as Bihar that have bifurcated OBCs into backward and most backward classes and most of the Muslim communities fall under the most backward category. … EWS reservation The Karnataka government has also said that Muslims will be eligible for reservation under the economically weaker sections category. “That is also a wrong statement,” said Gopal. He said that the only requirements for EWS reservations are that beneficiaries should not be members of Scheduled Caste, Scheduled Tribes or Other Backward Classes and that their families should fall below a certain income and asset level
Muloghonto Posted April 20, 2024 Posted April 20, 2024 5 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Are you sure there is absolutely NO semblance. Are you saying there is not even one brahmin who never did anything for his community at the expense of others. I guess we should all start worshipping brahmins and stop worshipping gods. We don't need the 'not even one brahmin' argument, because no one claimed that all brahmins are perfect, nor do we need perfection from each and every individual of a given community inorder not to slur a community as assholes. If 'one single brahmin' is the criteria, then every single conceivable demographic are assholes equal to brahmins. Ergo, reductio ad absurdum is invoked and argument of such is rejected. 5 hours ago, Real McCoy said: We are not talking aryan dravidian. You are preaching to the choir here. Totally out of track with what we were talking about the past few pages. I'm over 'muh language is hte greatest, oldest sh1t. South Indian languages are a different language group but there is not much difference in Indians' DNA meaning they were mostly homogenous. Vedic history is so far back that your theory of conversion is on shaky grounds. You act like you lived when Mitanni was still spoken in Earth or when South Indians were converted to Hindusim like it was marked in stone South indian conversion doesn't have to be set in stone, or in recent time for a converted group to display greater fanaticism from the demographic. Pakistani were converted 1000+ years ago, spaniards went apeshit psycho-christian from reconquesta period ( 1500) to pretty much the 19th century and they were converted a solid 1000 years prior. The argument of 'converted people are more zealous' may or maynot be applicable here, but its inapplicability is certainly not due to timeframe involved - if 1000 years doesn't make a difference, then 4000 years won't either.
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