Zaheer Abbas on India's T20 WC 2024 victory : India is playing like the old Pakistan team, they are our successors

[rollingstoned]

48 minutes ago, NameGoesHere said:

I was around in the 80s as a cricket fan.  I saw those games.  Pakistan were never as dominant back then as we are now.  
 

But don’t believe me, just compare the numbers.  Zaheer is delusional. 
 

If a guy like Zaheer, usually so measured and balanced, can say this, then the Pakistani cricket fraternity is collectively and massively off their rocker.

 

 

 

Well I'll take your word for it in the 80s especially since I disnt see them in that era. 

My earliest cricket memories were mainly seeing us lose to them in bilaterals when bilaterals were taken quite seriously. Lol.  Akhtar, Aquib javed and saqlain used to always cause us problems. 

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Lol sir!! 

Whats wrong about that?

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, rollingstoned said:

Well I'll take your word for it in the 80s especially since I disnt see them in that era. 

My earliest cricket memories were mainly seeing us lose to them in bilaterals when bilaterals were taken quite seriously. Lol.  Akhtar, Aquib javed and saqlain used to always cause us problems. 

Mostly in Sharjah..which seems to be fixed games given how much mafia was active in Dubai.

Funny thing is as soon as ICC became strict on chucking, match fixing & ball tempering. The phateecheristan started to stoop to a minnow level.

[Gollum]

Pakistanis should have hyped up their hockey team in 70s-90s which was actually world class unlike their overrated cricket team. 

 

Plain dumb luck that all their legendary hockey, squash players are forgotten today while so many of their mediocre cricketers have comfortable lives with all the fame, money and media adulation. 

 

Also they were cheats in cricket, in hockey they played fair and in fact got shafted by rule changes introduced by goras just to end their dominance. 

[neel roy]

The only reason pak is always jumping is india pak head to head record. 88-75. Issue is 24 of those matches were played in sharjah and uae. Pakistan won 20 of them. Take out those sharjah matches and the head to head is  68-71. And we all know what happened ij sharjah in 80s and early 90s in garb of matches..

[rollingstoned]

32 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Pakistanis should have hyped up their hockey team in 70s-90s which was actually world class unlike their overrated cricket team. 

 

Plain dumb luck that all their legendary hockey, squash players are forgotten today while so many of their mediocre cricketers have comfortable lives with all the fame, money and media adulation. 

 

Also they were cheats in cricket, in hockey they played fair and in fact got shafted by rule changes introduced by goras just to end their dominance. 

Fixing casts a bigger shadow over a lot of 90s cricket, more than ball tampering, chucking or home umpires. And it wasn't just the padosis. 

Edited June 30, 2024 by rollingstoned

[rollingstoned]

25 minutes ago, neel roy said:

The only reason pak is always jumping is india pak head to head record. 88-75. Issue is 24 of those matches were played in sharjah and uae. Pakistan won 20 of them. Take out those sharjah matches and the head to head is  68-71. And we all know what happened ij sharjah in 80s and early 90s in garb of matches..

Bcci is doing them a favor by not playing any bilaterals with them. That record has been dented based purely on icc tournaments for the last decade+ now. 

Our test team from 2013-2019 would have averaged 50+ on those uae and Pakistani pattas. Pujara would never have gotten out. Lol b

[Kron]

4 hours ago, raki05 said:

Lol sir!! 

He is a maulana parkie lowde salah. That's why

[Kron]

1 hour ago, rollingstoned said:

Bcci is doing them a favor by not playing any bilaterals with them. That record has been dented based purely on icc tournaments for the last decade+ now. 

Our test team from 2013-2019 would have averaged 50+ on those uae and Pakistani pattas. Pujara would never have gotten out. Lol b

15 - 1 or 16- 1 losing record vs us in icc world cup events. 

 

If you include champions trophy then it will be 17-3

 

That is embarrassingly bad for parkies

Shocking

[Kron]

1 hour ago, rollingstoned said:

Bcci is doing them a favor by not playing any bilaterals with them. That record has been dented based purely on icc tournaments for the last decade+ now. 

Our test team from 2013-2019 would have averaged 50+ on those uae and Pakistani pattas. Pujara would never have gotten out. Lol b

Can you imagine their teams post 2013 facing shami ishant bumrah bhuvi lmao. Misbahs team will be the one that can somewhat fight in u.a.e. they will get butchered in India but they may be able to just about make it a respectable series loss to India in u.a.e.

Maybe like a 2-0 in a 3 test series. Or a 1-0 loss at best. 

[rollingstoned]

1 minute ago, Kron said:

Can you imagine their teams post 2013 facing shami ishant bumrah bhuvi lmao. Misbahs team will be the one that can somewhat fight in u.a.e. they will get butchered in India but they may be able to just about make it a respectable series loss to India in u.a.e.

Maybe like a 2-0 in a 3 test series. Or a 1-0 loss at best. 

A test series between the 2 teams around 2015 in either India or UAE would have been very interesting. 

[Dil Dil India]

6 hours ago, bossbhai2 said:

 

remind me again how many Big  matches that Pakistani won against India .... my count is exactly ZERO .

 

PS:  Big matches only.

 

 

CT 2017 f was big tbh but that's the only one.

 

We have 1996 qf, 2011 sf, 2007 t20 final and at least 3-4 WC matches where we kicked them out.

[Dil Dil India]

Zaheer abbas is a fool like most of his country men.

 

2 wcs to 1

2 t20 wcs to 1

2cts to 1

8 Asia cups to 2

2 test series wins in aus to 0

 

This joke narrative that pak are somehow historically better is just that...a joke.

[Singh bling]

11 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

When did Pakistan dominate 4 ODI world cups in a row just failed in the last hurdle. One world cup win they got was a fluke win.

From 79-99 they were 5 times in Semi final 2 times final and 1 trophy . If 96 format did not have qf they would certainly be in Semi final

[RajBan]

Pakistan as usual got their evolution concept wrong. Baap kabhi bete ko follow nahi karta.

[Dil Dil India]

6 hours ago, Singh bling said:

From 79-99 they were 5 times in Semi final 2 times final and 1 trophy . If 96 format did not have qf they would certainly be in Semi final

If Pak didn't cheat with bottle caps they would not have win a single game. Ifs and buts don't mean crap. If it hadn't rained in England match pak would have 0 WC wins. 

 

 

[deathmonger]

6 hours ago, Singh bling said:

From 79-99 they were 5 times in Semi final 2 times final and 1 trophy . If 96 format did not have qf they would certainly be in Semi final

96 they couldnt be in semi cause they got kicked out by us.

[NameGoesHere]

I keep coming back to this.  And it keeps getting worse.

 

Zaheer said “They are our successors” .

 

Dear god, the arrogance and wishful thinking in that statement. 
 

As if they were a cricket dynasty in the first place. 

 

As if we are building on their incredible accomplishments.

 

 

 

 

 

[Singh bling]

2 hours ago, deathmonger said:

96 they couldnt be in semi cause they got kicked out by us.

You did not get my point. In group stages Pakistan was 3rd best team. 1st team was South Africa. But neither 1st not 3rd best were able to reach SF because of QF format. If the format had given group stages matches more weightage like earlier format or super six then They would certainly be in Semi final

[BacktoCricaddict]

17 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

What i think he is trying to say is that our bowling winning us matches reminds him of the way Pakistan used to win. I can't disagree with taht tbh. When they needed 30 from 30 i did think to myself we need Bumrah to do what Akhtar and Wasim used to do from here and that's what happened. 

If that's what he is trying to say, then he should hire you as his spokesperson because you are doing a much better of job of saying it than he is.