the don Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, Adi_91 said: Your country hosted OBL. The founder of Al Qaeda. You think america didnt know that ?? Deucalion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 22 minutes ago, the don said: Unanimous ?? It isnt even unanimous in India .65 was a missed opportunity at best for India. All indian accounts agree with the assesment Lets agree to disagree. Indians do agree that we botched parts of 1965. Indians also agree that we could've done even more damage. but all Non-Pakistani sources agree that the victor of 1965 war was India. It was not decisive victory, but it was a victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, the don said: You think america didnt know that ?? I m sure OBL gave US calls on his wareabouts. If US knew it, he would not be hiding, would he? .... same with ppl such as Pablo Escobar on whom US spent a lot of time and energy So why keep denying OBL's presense in Pak? Thanks for the laughs though Edited October 2, 2016 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the don Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Indians do agree that we botched parts of 1965. Indians also agree that we could've done even more damage. but all Non-Pakistani sources agree that the victor of 1965 war was India. It was not decisive victory, but it was a victory. Ummm no . It was what it was .A stalemate. Everyone agrees to that . There are people like chuck yeager who believe pakistan won but it was mostly a stalemate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the don Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, zen said: I m sure OBL gave US calls on his wareabouts. If US knew it, he would not be hiding, would he? .... same with ppl such as Pablo Escobar on whom US spent a lot of time and energy So why keep denying OBL's presense in Pak? Thanks for the laughs though Denying his presence ?? Where did i ?? America has a very interesting love hate relationship with the taliban and their continued covert support to pakistan despite the OBL episode is something you should learn more about Edited October 2, 2016 by the don Deucalion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, the don said: Denying his presence ?? Where did i ?? America has a very interesting love hate relationship with the taliban and their continued covert support to pakistan despite the OBL episode is something you should learn more about Did Pak not ask for proof that OBL was killed to dismiss it as US propaganda? Not even Islamic countries like Pak. That is something Pak should open its eyes to Edited October 2, 2016 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, the don said: Ummm no . It was what it was .A stalemate. Everyone agrees to that . There are people like chuck yeager who believe pakistan won but it was mostly a stalemate. A stalemate is when both sides fail to achieve majority of their objective. Since India achieved majority of its objective and Pakistan did not, it lost. We are not talking about individual, personal opinion here, but opinion of the think tanks. That is institutionally held opinion, following scientific procedure and consensus. Consensus is, India won the war. You seem to have this curious notion that if a country doesnt win every single combat engagement, or if it loses most of the combat engagement, it cannot have won the war. That is flawed thinking, since victory, loss or stalemate is defined by the objectives of each side. From that perspective, 1947 was a closer situation to stalemate than 1965, since India achieved more objectives in 65 than 47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Guys, you must understand for Pak it is not the actual loss that matters but admitting to losing that matters Respected authors such as Christine Fair have mentioned that Pak is an army that has never won a single war! sandeep and chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-blood-boils-after-seeing-pak-propaganda-kejriwal-asks-modi-to-prove-surgical-strike-took-place-2260965 "Two days back, the United Nations gave a statement that there was no such activity on the border," he said. "My blood boiled over these news reports (of the international media). Pakistan is indulging in smearing India's image at the international level. The UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) "has not directly observed" any firing along the LoC, UN chief Ban Ki-moon's spokesperson Stephane Dujarric had said on September 30 against the backdrop of the surgical strikes conducted by India. Adi_91 and New guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 UNMOGIP said they didnt see it "directly".Unless they were in the terror launch pads how can they see it directly? And Kejriwal....well he can say ask... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 So, Nawaz Sharif called all-party meeting to discuss how to make Multani Biryani taste better than Hyderabadi Biryani. dial_100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLICKR392 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 20 hours ago, Asim said: there's higher percentage of finding Osama body under sea as compared to location where india conducted strike Retort to absolute random comments when there's no comeback. What's confusing is why are Pakistanis so riled up about? Aren't terrorists dying good for both nations? Oh wait....! On the other hand, it's not the army that held a conference for Pakistan as a reply to the strike, but one of the most wanted terrorist, who issued an open warning on the open streets of Pakistan. Isolated and snubbed by most of the countries and yet claiming their innocence. gattaca and Asim 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 We welcome India's surgical strike against terrorists. Every country has right to defend itself: Russian ambassador in New Delhi. Read report: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Every-country-has-a-right-to-defend-itself-Russia-welcomes-Indias-surgical-strikes-on-terror-camps/articleshow/54660025.cms So one of the envoys who was briefed has come out supporting the attacks.Pretty much validates the autheticity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Asim bhai, you are one of the few reasonable ones, so I will bother replying to you on this subject. Its actually in India's interests to give Pakistan the option of denying that the strikes took place. Else they would be under pressure to retaliate and that would lead to escalation. You ask yourself whether the Pakistan army ever lies or misleads its own public when it comes to conflict with India. You know the answer there already. New guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New guy Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 20 hours ago, Asim said: meanwhile indian army to their media is like: yar yaqeen karo idher hi kaheen kia tha strike, mil nahi raha... To Pakistanis spouting this garbage, you do know that it is the easiest thing in the world for world satellites to pick up pics even at night of the attack? India went to 35 countries with news of the strike. India would have been laughed out of all 35 if this was false. Modi and Indian army would be biggest morons to claim such an easily disprovable thing But of course, being brainwashed on Pak military propaganda from childhood must be second nature to you guys. It is very much like North Korean citizens cannot believe South Koreans are happier and freer. gattaca, Stuge, chewy and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) "He (Arvind) saluted PM Modi for the strike and asked him to counter the Pak propganda." Ind probably will release the info soon. I guess, the 4 hours+ footage from each team is not easy to put together. Once the footage is put together, it would probably still require approval for release Edited October 3, 2016 by zen New guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) It is better left for the imagination of people. If needed, it can be shown to UN and handful international journalists. Edited October 4, 2016 by dial_100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 41 minutes ago, Viper said: They did Army exercise few days back with pak Can't trust anyone... we can always trust pakistan if we expect them to backstab ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 2 October 2016 at 6:29 PM, velu said: lol.. pakistantoday so when this issue was discussed at UN ? Here watch full or just 2:30 min onwards. Every Pakistani should be shown this video velu and Texan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 2 October 2016 at 5:55 PM, Texan said: LOL. You guys are really funny. You think India will call up the UN and tell them where and when they are planning surgical strikes and ask them to come and observe them there? Where do you happen to come from, by any chance Lahore? Unlike Pakistan, India doesnt allow anyone in Kashmir. India doesnt discuss anything about Kaahmir in any forum unless there is a Pakistani link. No other country is interested. However, overt outrage and pain over incident has completely exposed the mindset of so called majority, moderate, educated, peace loving class if Pakistanis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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