Three years and counting and we are still betting on Dhoni

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Our best pacer Shami is missing. Best swing bowler Bhuvi isn't there. So team can still win series without 5 first choice players and it's bad?

 

 

 

Bhuvi has been average in ODis so far.

 

Average  of  38.3   with  60  wickets only  in   57 matches.

Edited October 28, 2016 by express bowling

[Texan]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Hahahaha.......this has to be the funnies thing i have heard.

I really dont what he can do that rohit sharma starts scoring, i really dont knw what he can in this that rahane learns how to play ODi cricket. I really dont know what magic wand does he have to make pandey, hardik, jadhav experienced overnight. 

 

There is no magic wand. A captain is as gud as his team . Dont forget this team has so many seniors members missing. When Aus rested their seniors in t20 against us this yr they got whitewashed. Same happened when they came to india in 2013 and they were suffering from injuries end result whitewash. 

 

If mishra drops 3 catches, Dhoni cant run and sit under to catch those drop catches. 

 

IF dropping him can be solution, go ahead. I really dont think a sanju samson coming or anyone else solves this problem. 

To be honest as a captain he has got more than out of our bowling line up which we were scared before the series. 

 

The whole notion of throw him throw him throw him so idiotic, as if ur youngsters are stepping up. 

Yes there is no doubt he is going through a difficult phase and that doesnt help as a captain that his 1st yr. 

2004	3	3	1	0	0	12	19	9.50	4	2
2005	27	24	6	3	2	183*	895	49.72	19	6
2006	29	26	6	7	0	96	821	41.05	33	3
2007	37	33	8	7	1	139*	1103	44.12	31	18
2008	29	26	7	8	1	109*	1097	57.74	38	11
2009	29	24	7	9	2	124	1198	70.47	26	11
2010	18	17	4	3	1	101*	600	46.15	19	4
2011	24	22	9	6	0	91*	764	58.77	17	6
2012	16	14	6	3	1	113*	524	65.50	12	5
2013	26	20	8	5	1	139*	753	62.75	21	13
2014	12	10	2	5	0	79*	418	52.25	7	6
2015	20	17	3	4	0	92*	640	45.71	27	3
2016	12	9	0	1	0	80	237	26.33	12	3

 

Ur telling me he cant afford to have one bad yr, The guy has been churning up runs every year.......as u can see.

 

Didnt knew sports have become more about robots than human. 

So what you are telling me is that he has non performing batsmen in the team and that is why he is helpless. Can you care to explain then to me why Mandeep Singh, who has been in the squad all along has not yet played a single game? As captain , surely if he felt batsmen are not performing, he could have replaced at least one of them with a guy sitting on the bench, right?

[MCcricket]

Culprits are the previous selectors Sandeep Patil, he talks rather very big that he has created 3 players on the bench for each player in the team lol, they should've kicked Dhoni, he has been very poor for 3 years, Virat is at a different level , as a batsmen, captain n player, why not give him a break n time to mould the team before next world cup.

 

It is not just one series or 1 year, Dhoni has been poor as a player n captIn for 3 years, now he cannot even hit, prods n pushes n looks clueless, hides behind tailenders, is sad to see, we need fresh blood, new captain , new ideas.

 

Dhonis luck has run. Out , he won't get better but worse, three years is a long time for anyone to fail, while Virat has been killing opponents he has been surrendering meekly, n plz no excuses about this series we R talking about last three years

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, CG said:

Which seniors are we missing except dhawan in Batting.Raina has been struggling for sometime now.

For starters ur bowling has been missing a lot of stars . Ur inexp bowling lineup in every game has made u chase way more 

Raina n Jadeja wud have up ur fielding by miles, 3 catches drop by mishra n u have seen how much that costed

Experience is extremely valueable.

Ashwin n jadeja wont have been batting like foolish in Delhi game

 

Now batting , well dhawan at top is better than rahane and alos giveu right left combination. Makes a huge diff

Rahul - now ull say he is new but the way he has batted for 1 yrs, anybody will miss such a batsman

 

Neways series bottom line is 2-2 and the matches we have lost arent been one sides so these few things does matter

53 minutes ago, Texan said:

So what you are telling me is that he has non performing batsmen in the team and that is why he is helpless. Can you care to explain then to me why Mandeep Singh, who has been in the squad all along has not yet played a single game? As captain , surely if he felt batsmen are not performing, he could have replaced at least one of them with a guy sitting on the bench, right?

I agree with u mandeep should have been tried, i screamed the same n criticized dhoni for not trying gurkeerat mann in Ind-Sa last yr series but again to realise over the year that these are not solution. There is a basic issue with core batting group

Ind-Sa, T20WC, now this series batting personnal changes yet the problem remains. Its not that diff batsman havent been tried. We were screaming about manish pandey to be tried in WC and here is he not proving out to be any solution. I was crying for Mann to be found out that selectors dravid hase even given up on him to be even considered for A-sides. Kohli didnt play him in test and chose out of form Rohit sharma. Same mandeep singh was in RCb didnt get a game before and post injury in this yr ipl. Its not alone dhoni its whole team mngmt call. There is something that team mngmt considers before giving anyone a game. 

 

And as i said plzzz replace dhoni and u wnt find any solution . U have a good keeper batsman knocking on door replace him. U have other senior players taking up the charge please replace him. 

 

And by the every captain becomes helpless when team doesnt perform. Same test series had to diff captain williamson n taylor but team didnt perform end result a whitewash.......

 

I really would love to see what happens in a test series if Ashwin n jadeja are rested, shami is injured and someone like rahane or pujara looses form like Rohit here has. Add to that ur senior bowler in that case mishra drops 3 crucial games in a test match 

 

I Have given u my answer but plzz answer my question by looking at his records do u think ur being fair to someone who is having his 1st bad yr. Batting at 6 most times where ull enter mostly in last 10 overs. Being out of the game for sometime as compare to other team members who were well in touch and match practice. Still he has played on good inning over Rohit , rahane, pandey, jadhav who have been coming into series with a lot of cricket in recent times. 

 

Sachin tendulkar avg 17 in whole 2003 in test cricket wud u have called for his head to. 17 is way worst than 28 and he didnt have the responsibility of captaincy n WK either. 

 

32,31,31 this is gautam gambhirs avg as opener in test in 2010,2011,2012 didnt he get that extra time . 

 

With every player i can pick that bad yrs.........

 

[Trichromatic]

28 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Culprits are the previous selectors Sandeep Patil, he talks rather very big that he has created 3 players on the bench for each player in the team lol, they should've kicked Dhoni, he has been very poor for 3 years, Virat is at a different level , as a batsmen, captain n player, why not give him a break n time to mould the team before next world cup.

 

It is not just one series or 1 year, Dhoni has been poor as a player n captIn for 3 years, now he cannot even hit, prods n pushes n looks clueless, hides behind tailenders, is sad to see, we need fresh blood, new captain , new ideas.

 

Dhonis luck has run. Out , he won't get better but worse, three years is a long time for anyone to fail, while Virat has been killing opponents he has been surrendering meekly, n plz no excuses about this series we R talking about last three years

So care to explain how is he averaging 49 with SR of 92 in ODIs in last 3 years?

 

List of batsmen before this ODI series

 

If averaging 51 at SR of 95 (only 5 batsmen an avg 50+ with 90 SR) qualifies as poor the dunno what is considered as good in world cricket

 

I can understand the hatred for the player, but don't make up things which isn't true.

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AB de Villiers (SA)	2013-2016	58	55	11	2925	162*	66.47	2497	117.14	10	14	0	234	92
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2013-2016	45	44	5	2408	264	61.74	2489	96.74	8	10	2	222	83
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2013-2016	46	44	12	1952	119*	61.00	2312	84.42	8	8	1	163	23
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2016	48	46	3	2399	123	55.79	2734	87.74	4	19	1	238	21
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2013-2015	50	49	5	2436	128	55.36	2652	91.85	9	14	3	251	21
V Kohli (INDIA)	2013-2016	57	54	7	2576	139*	54.80	2651	97.17	10	11	3	231	42
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2013-2016	51	40	10	1541	139*	51.36	1622	95.00	1	12	1	124	38
DA Warner (AUS)	2014-2016	46	45	3	2147	178	51.11	2071	103.66	7	10	1	231	39
F du Plessis (SA)	2013-2016	55	53	6	2387	133*	50.78	2778	85.92	6	17	2	206	31
SPD Smith (AUS)	2014-2016	54	51	5	2264	149	49.21	2601	87.04	6	14	1	197	21
AD Mathews (SL)	2013-2016	75	67	16	2444	139*	47.92	2796	87.41	1	17	4	197	46
JE Root (ENG)	2014-2016	58	54	4	2391	125	47.82	2766	86.44	8	13	2	194	23
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2013-2016	54	53	5	2289	237*	47.68	2541	90.08	6	13	3	237	66
MN Samuels (WI)	2013-2016	33	33	4	1381	133*	47.62	1572	87.84	5	6	2	117	43
HM Amla (SA)	2013-2016	64	64	4	2844	159	47.40	3268	87.02	12	9	1	294	23
Q de Kock (SA)	2013-2016	62	62	4	2718	178	46.86	2844	95.56	11	8	1	308	45
TM Dilshan (SL)	2013-2016	63	61	3	2647	161*	45.63	3062	86.44	5	17	2	321	9
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2013-2016	54	53	2	2295	137	45.00	2516	91.21	6	14	1	281	28
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	2013-2016	45	42	3	1750	117	44.87	1878	93.18	3	12	0	147	28
JC Buttler (ENG)	2014-2016	62	55	10	1919	129	42.64	1607	119.41	4	10	4	166	57
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK)	2013-2016	48	48	3	1877	140*	41.71	2269	82.72	5	10	3	181	39
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	2014-2016	41	37	5	1297	105	40.53	1420	91.33	2	6	0	105	7
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2013-2016	37	36	2	1368	132	40.23	1782	76.76	3	9	3	158	15
MR Marsh (AUS)	2014-2016	39	35	7	1122	102*	40.07	1198	93.65	1	8	2	99	27

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

So care to explain how is he averaging 49 with SR of 92 in ODIs in last 3 years?

 

List of batsmen before this ODI series

 

If averaging 51 at SR of 95 (only 5 batsmen an avg 50+ with 90 SR) qualifies as poor the dunno what is considered as good in world cricket

 

I can understand the hatred for the player, but don't make up things which isn't true.

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AB de Villiers (SA)	2013-2016	58	55	11	2925	162*	66.47	2497	117.14	10	14	0	234	92
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2013-2016	45	44	5	2408	264	61.74	2489	96.74	8	10	2	222	83
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2013-2016	46	44	12	1952	119*	61.00	2312	84.42	8	8	1	163	23
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2016	48	46	3	2399	123	55.79	2734	87.74	4	19	1	238	21
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2013-2015	50	49	5	2436	128	55.36	2652	91.85	9	14	3	251	21
V Kohli (INDIA)	2013-2016	57	54	7	2576	139*	54.80	2651	97.17	10	11	3	231	42
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2013-2016	51	40	10	1541	139*	51.36	1622	95.00	1	12	1	124	38
DA Warner (AUS)	2014-2016	46	45	3	2147	178	51.11	2071	103.66	7	10	1	231	39
F du Plessis (SA)	2013-2016	55	53	6	2387	133*	50.78	2778	85.92	6	17	2	206	31
SPD Smith (AUS)	2014-2016	54	51	5	2264	149	49.21	2601	87.04	6	14	1	197	21
AD Mathews (SL)	2013-2016	75	67	16	2444	139*	47.92	2796	87.41	1	17	4	197	46
JE Root (ENG)	2014-2016	58	54	4	2391	125	47.82	2766	86.44	8	13	2	194	23
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2013-2016	54	53	5	2289	237*	47.68	2541	90.08	6	13	3	237	66
MN Samuels (WI)	2013-2016	33	33	4	1381	133*	47.62	1572	87.84	5	6	2	117	43
HM Amla (SA)	2013-2016	64	64	4	2844	159	47.40	3268	87.02	12	9	1	294	23
Q de Kock (SA)	2013-2016	62	62	4	2718	178	46.86	2844	95.56	11	8	1	308	45
TM Dilshan (SL)	2013-2016	63	61	3	2647	161*	45.63	3062	86.44	5	17	2	321	9
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2013-2016	54	53	2	2295	137	45.00	2516	91.21	6	14	1	281	28
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	2013-2016	45	42	3	1750	117	44.87	1878	93.18	3	12	0	147	28
JC Buttler (ENG)	2014-2016	62	55	10	1919	129	42.64	1607	119.41	4	10	4	166	57
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK)	2013-2016	48	48	3	1877	140*	41.71	2269	82.72	5	10	3	181	39
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	2014-2016	41	37	5	1297	105	40.53	1420	91.33	2	6	0	105	7
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2013-2016	37	36	2	1368	132	40.23	1782	76.76	3	9	3	158	15
MR Marsh (AUS)	2014-2016	39	35	7	1122	102*	40.07	1198	93.65	1	8	2	99	27

 

Those are some misleading stats for someone who comes late down the order. If you look at the top 10 players, he has got the least number of tons and the only reason he's in there is because of his 'not outs'.  If we take that out (a total of 9 innings), it comes down to this..

 

 

22 out of 34 innings were in a losing cause and this is what he averages..

 

 

You should see his records against top teams. The numbers goes down even further. The guy is a ******* fraud. 

Edited October 28, 2016 by Lannister

[Trichromatic]

22 minutes ago, Lannister said:

 

Those are some misleading stats for someone who comes late down the order. If you look at the top 10 players, he has got the least number of tons and the only reason he's in there is because of his 'not outs'.  If we take that out (a total of 9 innings), it comes down to this..

 

 

22 out of 34 innings were in a losing cause and this is what he averages..

 

 

You should see his records against top teams. The numbers goes down even further. The guy is a ******* fraud. 

Wow! He has been poor recently but hatred is at another level.

[velu]

32 minutes ago, Lannister said:

 

Those are some misleading stats for someone who comes late down the order. If you look at the top 10 players, he has got the least number of tons and the only reason he's in there is because of his 'not outs'.  If we take that out (a total of 9 innings), it comes down to this..

 

 

22 out of 34 innings were in a losing cause and this is what he averages..

 

 

You should see his records against top teams. The numbers goes down even further. The guy is a ******* fraud. 

 

counting only the games when some player got out is beyond idiotic.. only a special kind of idiot will rate the player based on this stat 

 

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

So care to explain how is he averaging 49 with SR of 92 in ODIs in last 3 years?

 

List of batsmen before this ODI series

 

If averaging 51 at SR of 95 (only 5 batsmen an avg 50+ with 90 SR) qualifies as poor the dunno what is considered as good in world cricket

 

I can understand the hatred for the player, but don't make up things which isn't true.

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AB de Villiers (SA)	2013-2016	58	55	11	2925	162*	66.47	2497	117.14	10	14	0	234	92
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2013-2016	45	44	5	2408	264	61.74	2489	96.74	8	10	2	222	83
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2013-2016	46	44	12	1952	119*	61.00	2312	84.42	8	8	1	163	23
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2016	48	46	3	2399	123	55.79	2734	87.74	4	19	1	238	21
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2013-2015	50	49	5	2436	128	55.36	2652	91.85	9	14	3	251	21
V Kohli (INDIA)	2013-2016	57	54	7	2576	139*	54.80	2651	97.17	10	11	3	231	42
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2013-2016	51	40	10	1541	139*	51.36	1622	95.00	1	12	1	124	38
DA Warner (AUS)	2014-2016	46	45	3	2147	178	51.11	2071	103.66	7	10	1	231	39
F du Plessis (SA)	2013-2016	55	53	6	2387	133*	50.78	2778	85.92	6	17	2	206	31
SPD Smith (AUS)	2014-2016	54	51	5	2264	149	49.21	2601	87.04	6	14	1	197	21
AD Mathews (SL)	2013-2016	75	67	16	2444	139*	47.92	2796	87.41	1	17	4	197	46
JE Root (ENG)	2014-2016	58	54	4	2391	125	47.82	2766	86.44	8	13	2	194	23
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2013-2016	54	53	5	2289	237*	47.68	2541	90.08	6	13	3	237	66
MN Samuels (WI)	2013-2016	33	33	4	1381	133*	47.62	1572	87.84	5	6	2	117	43
HM Amla (SA)	2013-2016	64	64	4	2844	159	47.40	3268	87.02	12	9	1	294	23
Q de Kock (SA)	2013-2016	62	62	4	2718	178	46.86	2844	95.56	11	8	1	308	45
TM Dilshan (SL)	2013-2016	63	61	3	2647	161*	45.63	3062	86.44	5	17	2	321	9
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2013-2016	54	53	2	2295	137	45.00	2516	91.21	6	14	1	281	28
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	2013-2016	45	42	3	1750	117	44.87	1878	93.18	3	12	0	147	28
JC Buttler (ENG)	2014-2016	62	55	10	1919	129	42.64	1607	119.41	4	10	4	166	57
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK)	2013-2016	48	48	3	1877	140*	41.71	2269	82.72	5	10	3	181	39
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	2014-2016	41	37	5	1297	105	40.53	1420	91.33	2	6	0	105	7
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2013-2016	37	36	2	1368	132	40.23	1782	76.76	3	9	3	158	15
MR Marsh (AUS)	2014-2016	39	35	7	1122	102*	40.07	1198	93.65	1	8	2	99	27

thanks for the stats dude

 

[G_B_]

One thing is clear, the days of MSD being a force to take india across the line are over. Not a match winner anymore. Still worth a spot in the team. As stats have shown...

 

 

 

[MCcricket]

Viper u R irritating, what is the point of giving a negative for someone when we are not talking or making fun of someone like you always do but talking about a failing capt player

 

Lannister the stats are an eye opener he is like Bevan no matter team looses I won't get out n raise my run ave, and we have seen him do this many times, loosing in a chase n playing a sub par strike rate , he should resign if he has shame or be kicked out

[MCcricket]

Once again living on the past doings of his team n not him, look at last three years, also he was given a shit test team n Virat turned it around, how can u trust a leader who blames his teammates, ridicules them, doesn't care enough to think about winning,simple logic we have two captain one is winning everything n one is loosing everything, one a loser one a winner, same set of players, it's not hatred but seeing the picture clearly, Dhoni benefitted from getting a wonderful team n then he tossed them out, he did not nurture or create a winning team

[Bigg Brother]

It doesnt even hurt now..It has become laughable now..Hopefully we win the first series today after 2 years.

[sscomp32]

11 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

So care to explain how is he averaging 49 with SR of 92 in ODIs in last 3 years?

 

List of batsmen before this ODI series

 

If averaging 51 at SR of 95 (only 5 batsmen an avg 50+ with 90 SR) qualifies as poor the dunno what is considered as good in world cricket

 

I can understand the hatred for the player, but don't make up things which isn't true.

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
AB de Villiers (SA)	2013-2016	58	55	11	2925	162*	66.47	2497	117.14	10	14	0	234	92
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2013-2016	45	44	5	2408	264	61.74	2489	96.74	8	10	2	222	83
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2013-2016	46	44	12	1952	119*	61.00	2312	84.42	8	8	1	163	23
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2016	48	46	3	2399	123	55.79	2734	87.74	4	19	1	238	21
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2013-2015	50	49	5	2436	128	55.36	2652	91.85	9	14	3	251	21
V Kohli (INDIA)	2013-2016	57	54	7	2576	139*	54.80	2651	97.17	10	11	3	231	42
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2013-2016	51	40	10	1541	139*	51.36	1622	95.00	1	12	1	124	38
DA Warner (AUS)	2014-2016	46	45	3	2147	178	51.11	2071	103.66	7	10	1	231	39
F du Plessis (SA)	2013-2016	55	53	6	2387	133*	50.78	2778	85.92	6	17	2	206	31
SPD Smith (AUS)	2014-2016	54	51	5	2264	149	49.21	2601	87.04	6	14	1	197	21
AD Mathews (SL)	2013-2016	75	67	16	2444	139*	47.92	2796	87.41	1	17	4	197	46
JE Root (ENG)	2014-2016	58	54	4	2391	125	47.82	2766	86.44	8	13	2	194	23
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2013-2016	54	53	5	2289	237*	47.68	2541	90.08	6	13	3	237	66
MN Samuels (WI)	2013-2016	33	33	4	1381	133*	47.62	1572	87.84	5	6	2	117	43
HM Amla (SA)	2013-2016	64	64	4	2844	159	47.40	3268	87.02	12	9	1	294	23
Q de Kock (SA)	2013-2016	62	62	4	2718	178	46.86	2844	95.56	11	8	1	308	45
TM Dilshan (SL)	2013-2016	63	61	3	2647	161*	45.63	3062	86.44	5	17	2	321	9
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2013-2016	54	53	2	2295	137	45.00	2516	91.21	6	14	1	281	28
Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH)	2013-2016	45	42	3	1750	117	44.87	1878	93.18	3	12	0	147	28
JC Buttler (ENG)	2014-2016	62	55	10	1919	129	42.64	1607	119.41	4	10	4	166	57
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK)	2013-2016	48	48	3	1877	140*	41.71	2269	82.72	5	10	3	181	39
Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK)	2014-2016	41	37	5	1297	105	40.53	1420	91.33	2	6	0	105	7
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2013-2016	37	36	2	1368	132	40.23	1782	76.76	3	9	3	158	15
MR Marsh (AUS)	2014-2016	39	35	7	1122	102*	40.07	1198	93.65	1	8	2	99	27

Sorry but WHAT THE HELL?? I always thought he was poor in ODIs barring one innings a series and he averages 51 with a SR of 95. Thats a pleasant surprise even for me  Must be me spending too much time on ICF and their hate getting to me.  

I need to download these matches now because i have to see how he did that. 

9 hours ago, Lannister said:

 

Those are some misleading stats for someone who comes late down the order. If you look at the top 10 players, he has got the least number of tons and the only reason he's in there is because of his 'not outs'.  If we take that out (a total of 9 innings), it comes down to this..

 

 

22 out of 34 innings were in a losing cause and this is what he averages..

 

 

You should see his records against top teams. The numbers goes down even further. The guy is a ******* fraud. 

Get yourself checked dude. You need help. Gold bless you .  

Edited October 29, 2016 by sscomp32

[sscomp32]

4 hours ago, Viper said:

Get off your Virat Hype just can't take it seriously. He is just enjoying the Team build up by MS. This Team Team has Lot of exp that went through Ups and Downs. No captain can do anything unless other 10 chip in. Trolls stats must be eye opener for people that support them. So good for you. 

 

Nothing better than the Adelaide test to explain this.  

[Lannister]

1 hour ago, sscomp32 said:

Get yourself checked dude. You need help. Gold bless you .  

And you don't? You are ready to bend backwards for this corrupt person. You need a thorough cleansing of your soul. Gold bless you too. 

[Cricketics]

I think we are an average ODI side which relies a lot on Dhoni and Kohli. We are definitely below Australia and South Africa. Dhoni as a captain has been brilliant earlier, but currently with all the big tournaments over, and not much to achieve, he looks stupid at times with his same playing plan. I honestly would love to see Kohli as early as possible, but I don't think it will be right overall for Indian cricket as I don't want to see Dhoni retiring early. Yes, it is true, if Dhoni gives away is captaincy, he will most likely retire as I feel he would feel that he is not needed anymore. Regarding of how crap he might have been as a captain, I would love to pick him every day on an ODI team roster. He averages over 50, not many have that and Dhoni will go down as one of the best Indian batsman in ODI just for that. Just to keep him in the odi team, we will have to deal with his captaincy for few more years.

[express bowling]

The  only decision that needs to be taken is ....Does a player deserve a place in the playing 11.

 

Let us see how Dhoni has done in the last 3 years

 

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2004-2016	282	245	67	9069	183*	50.94	10200	88.91	9	61	8	701	196	Profile
filtered	2013-2016	52	43	9	1553	92*	45.67	1712	90.71	0	13	1	122	37

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmax1=29+Oct+2016;spanmin1=29+Oct+2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

 

So, we can see that he has a good average but it has come down....although his SR has gone up marginally, the modern day game demands 105+  SR  if a batsman bats between No. 5  and No. 8

 

So,  Dhoni deserves to be  in the team but needs to bat in the top 4,  as a SR of 90 is good for that position.

 

We also see here that, although he has an average of 45.67....he has runs per innings of  36.11 due to his 9 not outs.   So, unless he bats in the top 5, we won't know whether he retains the ability to play long innings nowadays. 

 

Although Dhoni deserves to be in the team now....my worry is about whether he will be good for the WC 19.  His reflexes have surely slowed down as a batsman, he himself says that his power-game has deteriorated  and  no-one can say for sure whether he will be ok 3 years from now.

 

This means we need to try new keeper-batsmen  with Dhoni still in the team and playing as a pure batsman......so that the changeover is smooth if the need arises.  Samson is a good starting point.  Pant maybe tried from the middle of 2017 if he keeps on performing.

 

Edited October 29, 2016 by express bowling

[Cricketics]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

The  only decision that needs to be taken is ....Does a player deserve a place in the playing 11.

 

Let us see howDhoni has done in the last 3 years

 

 

Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	2004-2016	282	245	67	9069	183*	50.94	10200	88.91	9	61	8	701	196	Profile
filtered	2013-2016	52	43	9	1553	92*	45.67	1712	90.71	0	13	1	122	37

 

This means we need to try new keeper-batsmen  with Dhoni still in the team and playing as a pure batsman......so that the changeover is smooth if the need arises.  Samson is a good starting point.

Samson has gone downhill a bit and all of a sudden Rishabh Pant seems to be the guy many people have their eye on. However, I do feel both of them really can't fit well into our ODI's for now as we aren't really playing much Odi's for next few month.

 

Also, I can't believe we are even discussing Dhoni's numbers. Goes without saying that Dhoni will make it to Indian team easily as a batsman as he even has better numbers at times than Kohli during chasing. We are getting carried away and thinking too much about him because of his poor captaincy. These are two different things and we shouldn't mix it.

 

Back to your concern, I would like to see Samson score more in the overseas tour. Something what Manish Pandey did. Manish Pandey literally earned his slot. Selectors can't ignore a guy who has been scoring runs every time he plays for India A. Samson needs to score and just score. He has a great mentor in Dravid.

[beetle]

Hey @Cricketics

Where have you been ????

Happy tenth ICF anniversary to you and a very Happy Diwali!!!!!

[CG]

I agree with u mandeep should have been tried, i screamed the same n criticized dhoni for not trying gurkeerat mann in Ind-Sa last yr series but again to realise over the year that these are not solution. There is a basic issue with core batting group

Ind-Sa, T20WC, now this series batting personnal changes yet the problem remains. Its not that diff batsman havent been tried. We were screaming about manish pandey to be tried in WC and here is he not proving out to be any solution. I was crying for Mann to be found out that selectors dravid hase even given up on him to be even considered for A-sides. Kohli didnt play him in test and chose out of form Rohit sharma. Same mandeep singh was in RCb didnt get a game before and post injury in this yr ipl. Its not alone dhoni its whole team mngmt call. There is something that team mngmt considers before giving anyone a game. 

 

And as i said plzzz replace dhoni and u wnt find any solution . U have a good keeper batsman knocking on door replace him. U have other senior players taking up the charge please replace him. 

 

And by the every captain becomes helpless when team doesnt perform. Same test series had to diff captain williamson n taylor but team didnt perform end result a whitewash.......

 

I really would love to see what happens in a test series if Ashwin n jadeja are rested, shami is injured and someone like rahane or pujara looses form like Rohit here has. Add to that ur senior bowler in that case mishra drops 3 crucial games in a test match 

 

I Have given u my answer but plzz answer my question by looking at his records do u think ur being fair to someone who is having his 1st bad yr. Batting at 6 most times where ull enter mostly in last 10 overs. Being out of the game for sometime as compare to other team members who were well in touch and match practice. Still he has played on good inning over Rohit , rahane, pandey, jadhav who have been coming into series with a lot of cricket in recent times. 

 

Sachin tendulkar avg 17 in whole 2003 in test cricket wud u have called for his head to. 17 is way worst than 28 and he didnt have the responsibility of captaincy n WK either. 

 

32,31,31 this is gautam gambhirs avg as opener in test in 2010,2011,2012 didnt he get that extra time . 

 

With every player i can pick that bad yrs.........

 

What inexp bowling lineup are u talking about bumrah is first choice and Yadav is exp and bowling well.Mishra has also bowled well along with Pandya.Raina can't bat in current form so he can't play for fielding only.Jadeja and Ashwin are not odi batsman they have been failures.Jadeja plays equally moronic shots.