express bowling Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Our best pacer Shami is missing. Best swing bowler Bhuvi isn't there. So team can still win series without 5 first choice players and it's bad? Bhuvi has been average in ODis so far. Average of 38.3 with 60 wickets only in 57 matches. Edited October 28, 2016 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment
Texan Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Hahahaha.......this has to be the funnies thing i have heard. I really dont what he can do that rohit sharma starts scoring, i really dont knw what he can in this that rahane learns how to play ODi cricket. I really dont know what magic wand does he have to make pandey, hardik, jadhav experienced overnight. There is no magic wand. A captain is as gud as his team . Dont forget this team has so many seniors members missing. When Aus rested their seniors in t20 against us this yr they got whitewashed. Same happened when they came to india in 2013 and they were suffering from injuries end result whitewash. If mishra drops 3 catches, Dhoni cant run and sit under to catch those drop catches. IF dropping him can be solution, go ahead. I really dont think a sanju samson coming or anyone else solves this problem. To be honest as a captain he has got more than out of our bowling line up which we were scared before the series. The whole notion of throw him throw him throw him so idiotic, as if ur youngsters are stepping up. Yes there is no doubt he is going through a difficult phase and that doesnt help as a captain that his 1st yr. 2004 3 3 1 0 0 12 19 9.50 4 2 2005 27 24 6 3 2 183* 895 49.72 19 6 2006 29 26 6 7 0 96 821 41.05 33 3 2007 37 33 8 7 1 139* 1103 44.12 31 18 2008 29 26 7 8 1 109* 1097 57.74 38 11 2009 29 24 7 9 2 124 1198 70.47 26 11 2010 18 17 4 3 1 101* 600 46.15 19 4 2011 24 22 9 6 0 91* 764 58.77 17 6 2012 16 14 6 3 1 113* 524 65.50 12 5 2013 26 20 8 5 1 139* 753 62.75 21 13 2014 12 10 2 5 0 79* 418 52.25 7 6 2015 20 17 3 4 0 92* 640 45.71 27 3 2016 12 9 0 1 0 80 237 26.33 12 3 Ur telling me he cant afford to have one bad yr, The guy has been churning up runs every year.......as u can see. Didnt knew sports have become more about robots than human. So what you are telling me is that he has non performing batsmen in the team and that is why he is helpless. Can you care to explain then to me why Mandeep Singh, who has been in the squad all along has not yet played a single game? As captain , surely if he felt batsmen are not performing, he could have replaced at least one of them with a guy sitting on the bench, right? Link to comment
MCcricket Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 Culprits are the previous selectors Sandeep Patil, he talks rather very big that he has created 3 players on the bench for each player in the team lol, they should've kicked Dhoni, he has been very poor for 3 years, Virat is at a different level , as a batsmen, captain n player, why not give him a break n time to mould the team before next world cup. It is not just one series or 1 year, Dhoni has been poor as a player n captIn for 3 years, now he cannot even hit, prods n pushes n looks clueless, hides behind tailenders, is sad to see, we need fresh blood, new captain , new ideas. Dhonis luck has run. Out , he won't get better but worse, three years is a long time for anyone to fail, while Virat has been killing opponents he has been surrendering meekly, n plz no excuses about this series we R talking about last three years Mosher and Rasgulla 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, CG said: Which seniors are we missing except dhawan in Batting.Raina has been struggling for sometime now. For starters ur bowling has been missing a lot of stars . Ur inexp bowling lineup in every game has made u chase way more Raina n Jadeja wud have up ur fielding by miles, 3 catches drop by mishra n u have seen how much that costed Experience is extremely valueable. Ashwin n jadeja wont have been batting like foolish in Delhi game Now batting , well dhawan at top is better than rahane and alos giveu right left combination. Makes a huge diff Rahul - now ull say he is new but the way he has batted for 1 yrs, anybody will miss such a batsman Neways series bottom line is 2-2 and the matches we have lost arent been one sides so these few things does matter 53 minutes ago, Texan said: So what you are telling me is that he has non performing batsmen in the team and that is why he is helpless. Can you care to explain then to me why Mandeep Singh, who has been in the squad all along has not yet played a single game? As captain , surely if he felt batsmen are not performing, he could have replaced at least one of them with a guy sitting on the bench, right? I agree with u mandeep should have been tried, i screamed the same n criticized dhoni for not trying gurkeerat mann in Ind-Sa last yr series but again to realise over the year that these are not solution. There is a basic issue with core batting group Ind-Sa, T20WC, now this series batting personnal changes yet the problem remains. Its not that diff batsman havent been tried. We were screaming about manish pandey to be tried in WC and here is he not proving out to be any solution. I was crying for Mann to be found out that selectors dravid hase even given up on him to be even considered for A-sides. Kohli didnt play him in test and chose out of form Rohit sharma. Same mandeep singh was in RCb didnt get a game before and post injury in this yr ipl. Its not alone dhoni its whole team mngmt call. There is something that team mngmt considers before giving anyone a game. And as i said plzzz replace dhoni and u wnt find any solution . U have a good keeper batsman knocking on door replace him. U have other senior players taking up the charge please replace him. And by the every captain becomes helpless when team doesnt perform. Same test series had to diff captain williamson n taylor but team didnt perform end result a whitewash....... I really would love to see what happens in a test series if Ashwin n jadeja are rested, shami is injured and someone like rahane or pujara looses form like Rohit here has. Add to that ur senior bowler in that case mishra drops 3 crucial games in a test match I Have given u my answer but plzz answer my question by looking at his records do u think ur being fair to someone who is having his 1st bad yr. Batting at 6 most times where ull enter mostly in last 10 overs. Being out of the game for sometime as compare to other team members who were well in touch and match practice. Still he has played on good inning over Rohit , rahane, pandey, jadhav who have been coming into series with a lot of cricket in recent times. Sachin tendulkar avg 17 in whole 2003 in test cricket wud u have called for his head to. 17 is way worst than 28 and he didnt have the responsibility of captaincy n WK either. 32,31,31 this is gautam gambhirs avg as opener in test in 2010,2011,2012 didnt he get that extra time . With every player i can pick that bad yrs......... Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 28 minutes ago, MCcricket said: Culprits are the previous selectors Sandeep Patil, he talks rather very big that he has created 3 players on the bench for each player in the team lol, they should've kicked Dhoni, he has been very poor for 3 years, Virat is at a different level , as a batsmen, captain n player, why not give him a break n time to mould the team before next world cup. It is not just one series or 1 year, Dhoni has been poor as a player n captIn for 3 years, now he cannot even hit, prods n pushes n looks clueless, hides behind tailenders, is sad to see, we need fresh blood, new captain , new ideas. Dhonis luck has run. Out , he won't get better but worse, three years is a long time for anyone to fail, while Virat has been killing opponents he has been surrendering meekly, n plz no excuses about this series we R talking about last three years So care to explain how is he averaging 49 with SR of 92 in ODIs in last 3 years? List of batsmen before this ODI series If averaging 51 at SR of 95 (only 5 batsmen an avg 50+ with 90 SR) qualifies as poor the dunno what is considered as good in world cricket I can understand the hatred for the player, but don't make up things which isn't true. Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AB de Villiers (SA) 2013-2016 58 55 11 2925 162* 66.47 2497 117.14 10 14 0 234 92 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2016 45 44 5 2408 264 61.74 2489 96.74 8 10 2 222 83 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2013-2016 46 44 12 1952 119* 61.00 2312 84.42 8 8 1 163 23 KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2016 48 46 3 2399 123 55.79 2734 87.74 4 19 1 238 21 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2013-2015 50 49 5 2436 128 55.36 2652 91.85 9 14 3 251 21 V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2016 57 54 7 2576 139* 54.80 2651 97.17 10 11 3 231 42 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2013-2016 51 40 10 1541 139* 51.36 1622 95.00 1 12 1 124 38 DA Warner (AUS) 2014-2016 46 45 3 2147 178 51.11 2071 103.66 7 10 1 231 39 F du Plessis (SA) 2013-2016 55 53 6 2387 133* 50.78 2778 85.92 6 17 2 206 31 SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2016 54 51 5 2264 149 49.21 2601 87.04 6 14 1 197 21 AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2016 75 67 16 2444 139* 47.92 2796 87.41 1 17 4 197 46 JE Root (ENG) 2014-2016 58 54 4 2391 125 47.82 2766 86.44 8 13 2 194 23 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2013-2016 54 53 5 2289 237* 47.68 2541 90.08 6 13 3 237 66 MN Samuels (WI) 2013-2016 33 33 4 1381 133* 47.62 1572 87.84 5 6 2 117 43 HM Amla (SA) 2013-2016 64 64 4 2844 159 47.40 3268 87.02 12 9 1 294 23 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2016 62 62 4 2718 178 46.86 2844 95.56 11 8 1 308 45 TM Dilshan (SL) 2013-2016 63 61 3 2647 161* 45.63 3062 86.44 5 17 2 321 9 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2016 54 53 2 2295 137 45.00 2516 91.21 6 14 1 281 28 Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH) 2013-2016 45 42 3 1750 117 44.87 1878 93.18 3 12 0 147 28 JC Buttler (ENG) 2014-2016 62 55 10 1919 129 42.64 1607 119.41 4 10 4 166 57 Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) 2013-2016 48 48 3 1877 140* 41.71 2269 82.72 5 10 3 181 39 Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK) 2014-2016 41 37 5 1297 105 40.53 1420 91.33 2 6 0 105 7 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2013-2016 37 36 2 1368 132 40.23 1782 76.76 3 9 3 158 15 MR Marsh (AUS) 2014-2016 39 35 7 1122 102* 40.07 1198 93.65 1 8 2 99 27 Rasgulla, velu, Lord and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Lannister Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Trichromatic said: So care to explain how is he averaging 49 with SR of 92 in ODIs in last 3 years? List of batsmen before this ODI series If averaging 51 at SR of 95 (only 5 batsmen an avg 50+ with 90 SR) qualifies as poor the dunno what is considered as good in world cricket I can understand the hatred for the player, but don't make up things which isn't true. Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AB de Villiers (SA) 2013-2016 58 55 11 2925 162* 66.47 2497 117.14 10 14 0 234 92 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2016 45 44 5 2408 264 61.74 2489 96.74 8 10 2 222 83 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2013-2016 46 44 12 1952 119* 61.00 2312 84.42 8 8 1 163 23 KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2016 48 46 3 2399 123 55.79 2734 87.74 4 19 1 238 21 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2013-2015 50 49 5 2436 128 55.36 2652 91.85 9 14 3 251 21 V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2016 57 54 7 2576 139* 54.80 2651 97.17 10 11 3 231 42 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2013-2016 51 40 10 1541 139* 51.36 1622 95.00 1 12 1 124 38 DA Warner (AUS) 2014-2016 46 45 3 2147 178 51.11 2071 103.66 7 10 1 231 39 F du Plessis (SA) 2013-2016 55 53 6 2387 133* 50.78 2778 85.92 6 17 2 206 31 SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2016 54 51 5 2264 149 49.21 2601 87.04 6 14 1 197 21 AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2016 75 67 16 2444 139* 47.92 2796 87.41 1 17 4 197 46 JE Root (ENG) 2014-2016 58 54 4 2391 125 47.82 2766 86.44 8 13 2 194 23 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2013-2016 54 53 5 2289 237* 47.68 2541 90.08 6 13 3 237 66 MN Samuels (WI) 2013-2016 33 33 4 1381 133* 47.62 1572 87.84 5 6 2 117 43 HM Amla (SA) 2013-2016 64 64 4 2844 159 47.40 3268 87.02 12 9 1 294 23 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2016 62 62 4 2718 178 46.86 2844 95.56 11 8 1 308 45 TM Dilshan (SL) 2013-2016 63 61 3 2647 161* 45.63 3062 86.44 5 17 2 321 9 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2016 54 53 2 2295 137 45.00 2516 91.21 6 14 1 281 28 Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH) 2013-2016 45 42 3 1750 117 44.87 1878 93.18 3 12 0 147 28 JC Buttler (ENG) 2014-2016 62 55 10 1919 129 42.64 1607 119.41 4 10 4 166 57 Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) 2013-2016 48 48 3 1877 140* 41.71 2269 82.72 5 10 3 181 39 Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK) 2014-2016 41 37 5 1297 105 40.53 1420 91.33 2 6 0 105 7 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2013-2016 37 36 2 1368 132 40.23 1782 76.76 3 9 3 158 15 MR Marsh (AUS) 2014-2016 39 35 7 1122 102* 40.07 1198 93.65 1 8 2 99 27 Those are some misleading stats for someone who comes late down the order. If you look at the top 10 players, he has got the least number of tons and the only reason he's in there is because of his 'not outs'. If we take that out (a total of 9 innings), it comes down to this.. 22 out of 34 innings were in a losing cause and this is what he averages.. You should see his records against top teams. The numbers goes down even further. The guy is a ******* fraud. Edited October 28, 2016 by Lannister Rasgulla and MCcricket 1 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, Lannister said: Those are some misleading stats for someone who comes late down the order. If you look at the top 10 players, he has got the least number of tons and the only reason he's in there is because of his 'not outs'. If we take that out (a total of 9 innings), it comes down to this.. 22 out of 34 innings were in a losing cause and this is what he averages.. You should see his records against top teams. The numbers goes down even further. The guy is a ******* fraud. Wow! He has been poor recently but hatred is at another level. Rasgulla, Lannister and sscomp32 3 Link to comment
velu Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 32 minutes ago, Lannister said: Those are some misleading stats for someone who comes late down the order. If you look at the top 10 players, he has got the least number of tons and the only reason he's in there is because of his 'not outs'. If we take that out (a total of 9 innings), it comes down to this.. 22 out of 34 innings were in a losing cause and this is what he averages.. You should see his records against top teams. The numbers goes down even further. The guy is a ******* fraud. counting only the games when some player got out is beyond idiotic.. only a special kind of idiot will rate the player based on this stat 1 hour ago, Trichromatic said: So care to explain how is he averaging 49 with SR of 92 in ODIs in last 3 years? List of batsmen before this ODI series If averaging 51 at SR of 95 (only 5 batsmen an avg 50+ with 90 SR) qualifies as poor the dunno what is considered as good in world cricket I can understand the hatred for the player, but don't make up things which isn't true. Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AB de Villiers (SA) 2013-2016 58 55 11 2925 162* 66.47 2497 117.14 10 14 0 234 92 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2016 45 44 5 2408 264 61.74 2489 96.74 8 10 2 222 83 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2013-2016 46 44 12 1952 119* 61.00 2312 84.42 8 8 1 163 23 KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2016 48 46 3 2399 123 55.79 2734 87.74 4 19 1 238 21 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2013-2015 50 49 5 2436 128 55.36 2652 91.85 9 14 3 251 21 V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2016 57 54 7 2576 139* 54.80 2651 97.17 10 11 3 231 42 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2013-2016 51 40 10 1541 139* 51.36 1622 95.00 1 12 1 124 38 DA Warner (AUS) 2014-2016 46 45 3 2147 178 51.11 2071 103.66 7 10 1 231 39 F du Plessis (SA) 2013-2016 55 53 6 2387 133* 50.78 2778 85.92 6 17 2 206 31 SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2016 54 51 5 2264 149 49.21 2601 87.04 6 14 1 197 21 AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2016 75 67 16 2444 139* 47.92 2796 87.41 1 17 4 197 46 JE Root (ENG) 2014-2016 58 54 4 2391 125 47.82 2766 86.44 8 13 2 194 23 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2013-2016 54 53 5 2289 237* 47.68 2541 90.08 6 13 3 237 66 MN Samuels (WI) 2013-2016 33 33 4 1381 133* 47.62 1572 87.84 5 6 2 117 43 HM Amla (SA) 2013-2016 64 64 4 2844 159 47.40 3268 87.02 12 9 1 294 23 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2016 62 62 4 2718 178 46.86 2844 95.56 11 8 1 308 45 TM Dilshan (SL) 2013-2016 63 61 3 2647 161* 45.63 3062 86.44 5 17 2 321 9 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2016 54 53 2 2295 137 45.00 2516 91.21 6 14 1 281 28 Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH) 2013-2016 45 42 3 1750 117 44.87 1878 93.18 3 12 0 147 28 JC Buttler (ENG) 2014-2016 62 55 10 1919 129 42.64 1607 119.41 4 10 4 166 57 Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) 2013-2016 48 48 3 1877 140* 41.71 2269 82.72 5 10 3 181 39 Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK) 2014-2016 41 37 5 1297 105 40.53 1420 91.33 2 6 0 105 7 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2013-2016 37 36 2 1368 132 40.23 1782 76.76 3 9 3 158 15 MR Marsh (AUS) 2014-2016 39 35 7 1122 102* 40.07 1198 93.65 1 8 2 99 27 thanks for the stats dude Rasgulla and sscomp32 2 Link to comment
G_B_ Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 One thing is clear, the days of MSD being a force to take india across the line are over. Not a match winner anymore. Still worth a spot in the team. As stats have shown... Link to comment
MCcricket Posted October 28, 2016 Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 Viper u R irritating, what is the point of giving a negative for someone when we are not talking or making fun of someone like you always do but talking about a failing capt player Lannister the stats are an eye opener he is like Bevan no matter team looses I won't get out n raise my run ave, and we have seen him do this many times, loosing in a chase n playing a sub par strike rate , he should resign if he has shame or be kicked out Link to comment
MCcricket Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 Once again living on the past doings of his team n not him, look at last three years, also he was given a shit test team n Virat turned it around, how can u trust a leader who blames his teammates, ridicules them, doesn't care enough to think about winning,simple logic we have two captain one is winning everything n one is loosing everything, one a loser one a winner, same set of players, it's not hatred but seeing the picture clearly, Dhoni benefitted from getting a wonderful team n then he tossed them out, he did not nurture or create a winning team Link to comment
Bigg Brother Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 It doesnt even hurt now..It has become laughable now..Hopefully we win the first series today after 2 years. Link to comment
sscomp32 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, Trichromatic said: So care to explain how is he averaging 49 with SR of 92 in ODIs in last 3 years? List of batsmen before this ODI series If averaging 51 at SR of 95 (only 5 batsmen an avg 50+ with 90 SR) qualifies as poor the dunno what is considered as good in world cricket I can understand the hatred for the player, but don't make up things which isn't true. Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AB de Villiers (SA) 2013-2016 58 55 11 2925 162* 66.47 2497 117.14 10 14 0 234 92 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2016 45 44 5 2408 264 61.74 2489 96.74 8 10 2 222 83 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2013-2016 46 44 12 1952 119* 61.00 2312 84.42 8 8 1 163 23 KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2016 48 46 3 2399 123 55.79 2734 87.74 4 19 1 238 21 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2013-2015 50 49 5 2436 128 55.36 2652 91.85 9 14 3 251 21 V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2016 57 54 7 2576 139* 54.80 2651 97.17 10 11 3 231 42 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2013-2016 51 40 10 1541 139* 51.36 1622 95.00 1 12 1 124 38 DA Warner (AUS) 2014-2016 46 45 3 2147 178 51.11 2071 103.66 7 10 1 231 39 F du Plessis (SA) 2013-2016 55 53 6 2387 133* 50.78 2778 85.92 6 17 2 206 31 SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2016 54 51 5 2264 149 49.21 2601 87.04 6 14 1 197 21 AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2016 75 67 16 2444 139* 47.92 2796 87.41 1 17 4 197 46 JE Root (ENG) 2014-2016 58 54 4 2391 125 47.82 2766 86.44 8 13 2 194 23 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2013-2016 54 53 5 2289 237* 47.68 2541 90.08 6 13 3 237 66 MN Samuels (WI) 2013-2016 33 33 4 1381 133* 47.62 1572 87.84 5 6 2 117 43 HM Amla (SA) 2013-2016 64 64 4 2844 159 47.40 3268 87.02 12 9 1 294 23 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2016 62 62 4 2718 178 46.86 2844 95.56 11 8 1 308 45 TM Dilshan (SL) 2013-2016 63 61 3 2647 161* 45.63 3062 86.44 5 17 2 321 9 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2016 54 53 2 2295 137 45.00 2516 91.21 6 14 1 281 28 Mushfiqur Rahim (BDESH) 2013-2016 45 42 3 1750 117 44.87 1878 93.18 3 12 0 147 28 JC Buttler (ENG) 2014-2016 62 55 10 1919 129 42.64 1607 119.41 4 10 4 166 57 Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) 2013-2016 48 48 3 1877 140* 41.71 2269 82.72 5 10 3 181 39 Sarfraz Ahmed (PAK) 2014-2016 41 37 5 1297 105 40.53 1420 91.33 2 6 0 105 7 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2013-2016 37 36 2 1368 132 40.23 1782 76.76 3 9 3 158 15 MR Marsh (AUS) 2014-2016 39 35 7 1122 102* 40.07 1198 93.65 1 8 2 99 27 Sorry but WHAT THE HELL?? I always thought he was poor in ODIs barring one innings a series and he averages 51 with a SR of 95. Thats a pleasant surprise even for me Must be me spending too much time on ICF and their hate getting to me. I need to download these matches now because i have to see how he did that. 9 hours ago, Lannister said: Those are some misleading stats for someone who comes late down the order. If you look at the top 10 players, he has got the least number of tons and the only reason he's in there is because of his 'not outs'. If we take that out (a total of 9 innings), it comes down to this.. 22 out of 34 innings were in a losing cause and this is what he averages.. You should see his records against top teams. The numbers goes down even further. The guy is a ******* fraud. Get yourself checked dude. You need help. Gold bless you . Edited October 29, 2016 by sscomp32 Rasgulla and velu 2 Link to comment
sscomp32 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 4 hours ago, Viper said: Get off your Virat Hype just can't take it seriously. He is just enjoying the Team build up by MS. This Team Team has Lot of exp that went through Ups and Downs. No captain can do anything unless other 10 chip in. Trolls stats must be eye opener for people that support them. So good for you. Nothing better than the Adelaide test to explain this. Rasgulla 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 1 hour ago, sscomp32 said: Get yourself checked dude. You need help. Gold bless you . And you don't? You are ready to bend backwards for this corrupt person. You need a thorough cleansing of your soul. Gold bless you too. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I think we are an average ODI side which relies a lot on Dhoni and Kohli. We are definitely below Australia and South Africa. Dhoni as a captain has been brilliant earlier, but currently with all the big tournaments over, and not much to achieve, he looks stupid at times with his same playing plan. I honestly would love to see Kohli as early as possible, but I don't think it will be right overall for Indian cricket as I don't want to see Dhoni retiring early. Yes, it is true, if Dhoni gives away is captaincy, he will most likely retire as I feel he would feel that he is not needed anymore. Regarding of how crap he might have been as a captain, I would love to pick him every day on an ODI team roster. He averages over 50, not many have that and Dhoni will go down as one of the best Indian batsman in ODI just for that. Just to keep him in the odi team, we will have to deal with his captaincy for few more years. Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) The only decision that needs to be taken is ....Does a player deserve a place in the playing 11. Let us see how Dhoni has done in the last 3 years Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 2004-2016 282 245 67 9069 183* 50.94 10200 88.91 9 61 8 701 196 Profile filtered 2013-2016 52 43 9 1553 92* 45.67 1712 90.71 0 13 1 122 37 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28081.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmax1=29+Oct+2016;spanmin1=29+Oct+2013;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting So, we can see that he has a good average but it has come down....although his SR has gone up marginally, the modern day game demands 105+ SR if a batsman bats between No. 5 and No. 8 So, Dhoni deserves to be in the team but needs to bat in the top 4, as a SR of 90 is good for that position. We also see here that, although he has an average of 45.67....he has runs per innings of 36.11 due to his 9 not outs. So, unless he bats in the top 5, we won't know whether he retains the ability to play long innings nowadays. Although Dhoni deserves to be in the team now....my worry is about whether he will be good for the WC 19. His reflexes have surely slowed down as a batsman, he himself says that his power-game has deteriorated and no-one can say for sure whether he will be ok 3 years from now. This means we need to try new keeper-batsmen with Dhoni still in the team and playing as a pure batsman......so that the changeover is smooth if the need arises. Samson is a good starting point. Pant maybe tried from the middle of 2017 if he keeps on performing. Edited October 29, 2016 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, express bowling said: The only decision that needs to be taken is ....Does a player deserve a place in the playing 11. Let us see howDhoni has done in the last 3 years Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s unfiltered 2004-2016 282 245 67 9069 183* 50.94 10200 88.91 9 61 8 701 196 Profile filtered 2013-2016 52 43 9 1553 92* 45.67 1712 90.71 0 13 1 122 37 This means we need to try new keeper-batsmen with Dhoni still in the team and playing as a pure batsman......so that the changeover is smooth if the need arises. Samson is a good starting point. Samson has gone downhill a bit and all of a sudden Rishabh Pant seems to be the guy many people have their eye on. However, I do feel both of them really can't fit well into our ODI's for now as we aren't really playing much Odi's for next few month. Also, I can't believe we are even discussing Dhoni's numbers. Goes without saying that Dhoni will make it to Indian team easily as a batsman as he even has better numbers at times than Kohli during chasing. We are getting carried away and thinking too much about him because of his poor captaincy. These are two different things and we shouldn't mix it. Back to your concern, I would like to see Samson score more in the overseas tour. Something what Manish Pandey did. Manish Pandey literally earned his slot. Selectors can't ignore a guy who has been scoring runs every time he plays for India A. Samson needs to score and just score. He has a great mentor in Dravid. Link to comment
beetle Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Hey @Cricketics Where have you been ???? Happy tenth ICF anniversary to you and a very Happy Diwali!!!!! Link to comment
CG Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 I agree with u mandeep should have been tried, i screamed the same n criticized dhoni for not trying gurkeerat mann in Ind-Sa last yr series but again to realise over the year that these are not solution. There is a basic issue with core batting group Ind-Sa, T20WC, now this series batting personnal changes yet the problem remains. Its not that diff batsman havent been tried. We were screaming about manish pandey to be tried in WC and here is he not proving out to be any solution. I was crying for Mann to be found out that selectors dravid hase even given up on him to be even considered for A-sides. Kohli didnt play him in test and chose out of form Rohit sharma. Same mandeep singh was in RCb didnt get a game before and post injury in this yr ipl. Its not alone dhoni its whole team mngmt call. There is something that team mngmt considers before giving anyone a game. And as i said plzzz replace dhoni and u wnt find any solution . U have a good keeper batsman knocking on door replace him. U have other senior players taking up the charge please replace him. And by the every captain becomes helpless when team doesnt perform. Same test series had to diff captain williamson n taylor but team didnt perform end result a whitewash....... I really would love to see what happens in a test series if Ashwin n jadeja are rested, shami is injured and someone like rahane or pujara looses form like Rohit here has. Add to that ur senior bowler in that case mishra drops 3 crucial games in a test match I Have given u my answer but plzz answer my question by looking at his records do u think ur being fair to someone who is having his 1st bad yr. Batting at 6 most times where ull enter mostly in last 10 overs. Being out of the game for sometime as compare to other team members who were well in touch and match practice. Still he has played on good inning over Rohit , rahane, pandey, jadhav who have been coming into series with a lot of cricket in recent times. Sachin tendulkar avg 17 in whole 2003 in test cricket wud u have called for his head to. 17 is way worst than 28 and he didnt have the responsibility of captaincy n WK either. 32,31,31 this is gautam gambhirs avg as opener in test in 2010,2011,2012 didnt he get that extra time . With every player i can pick that bad yrs......... What inexp bowling lineup are u talking about bumrah is first choice and Yadav is exp and bowling well.Mishra has also bowled well along with Pandya.Raina can't bat in current form so he can't play for fielding only.Jadeja and Ashwin are not odi batsman they have been failures.Jadeja plays equally moronic shots. Mosher 1 Link to comment
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