What was the point of Bhuveneshwar Kumar?Virat Kohli's Captaincy Blunder?Needs to learn a few tricks from Dhoni?

[Sidhoni]

34 minutes ago, New guy said:

It's surprising right that a captain is thinking long term development of pacers instead of "process" right ?

In that case we had a 19 year old tall fast bowler who was backed through thick and thin by Dhoni over the years despite criticism from all corners and that bowler ended up winning us a test match in Lord's and turned around CT 2013 final in our favour. Is that not long term development?

[kira]

Kohli needs to learn nothing from the crappiest captain in our TEST cricket history, kohli is already better captain than dhoni in TESTS

[gattaca]

It's Bangladesh good that he is giving practice to bhuvi. Bhuvi will be key on pitches outside India except may be Australia. Since they have flat wickets with bounce. If he can bowl these in the mornings in SA,England , nz he is worth in gold.

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4124/mehedi-hasans-wicket-explained

Edited February 12, 2017 by gattaca

[kira]

On Topic: What's the point of playing kuldeep or jayant? It is a one dimensional approach, sure they may or may not have had success had they played but that's not the point, kohli doesn't want to become a one trick pony using the same formula in every match. We need to play fast bowlers to develop their game, how many more spinners do you want, we need more fast bowlers, so quit whining and appreciate kohli's approach, if he follows dhoni then we'll continue to be sheeps abroad and lions at home.

[sandeep]

43 minutes ago, gattaca said:

It's Bangladesh good that he is giving practice to bhuvi. Bhuvi will be key on pitches outside India except may be Australia. Since they have flat wickets with bounce. If he can bowl these in the mornings in SA,England , nz he is worth in gold.

 

http://www.bcci.tv/videos/id/4124/mehedi-hasans-wicket-explained

Nice video.  Bhuvi moving the ball around is always awesome to watch as a fan.  He can make the best of batsmen look clueless.  And this is why Bhuvi was our #1 bowler during that horrible England tour - took a bunch of wickets and bowled a ton of overs.  Going forward, he can expected to be very useful on away tours, now that he will be part of a pack comprising of Shami, and the much improved Yadav.  

[Sidhoni]

All this talk about beating teams like Eng, Aus, SA away in tours which are more than a year away while not being bothered about the fact that some selections could have hurt our chances of beating Bangladesh at home.

[kira]

36 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

All this talk about beating teams like Eng, Aus, SA away in tours which are more than a year away while not being bothered about the fact that some selections could have hurt our chances of beating Bangladesh at home.

Spoken like a true dhoni fan  same timid, narrow minded attitude, lacking any vision for the future, dhoni would be proud 

[Lannister]

I know what you are trying to pull here, when you yourself fully know how pathetic Dhoni was as the Test captain.  Kumar is done for if he keeps on bowling at this pace and both Kohli and Kumble will make sure he's not going to be selected in the squad for Aus and SA tours. Earlier fans were crying that Kumar is not getting his fair share of chances on flat tracks and now hopefully this will shut them up. 

[Sidhoni]

25 minutes ago, kira said:

Spoken like a true dhoni fan  same timid, narrow minded attitude, lacking any vision for the future, dhoni would be proud 

The obsession with Dhoni is amazing here. Its been more than 2 years, we are no. 1 test team now. Time to move on.

[Laaloo]

Another controversial thread by OP trying to boost ICF activity.

[Cricketics]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

 

You are the typical example of Indian mentality and even bangla has.made more progress in fast bowling than us 

He is Bangladeshi man. Not Indian. 

[Texan]

It was a good decision. Spinners got hardly anything out of this wicket so far. Besides, an "Umpire's Call" went in favor of Ishant because of which he got a wicket, but went against BK. Otherwise he would have had 2. I thought all the pacers bowled pretty well to get BD all out. It was a pretty flat deck and all of them chipped in well. 

[philcric]

4 hours ago, Sidhoni said:

All this talk about beating teams like Eng, Aus, SA away in tours which are more than a year away while not being bothered about the fact that some selections could have hurt our chances of beating Bangladesh at home.

Missing the woods for the trees.

 

Different teams have to compromise / strategise / go out of their way to mould their teams and give themselves a better chance to succeed in conditions they generally struggle in.

 

For example, Aussies have been struggling with their batting in asian conditions for a long time, while absolutely bossing games at home. So, they have to take certain punts on particular kind of batsmen who look like they may do well in asian conditions than the incumbents, even though the incumbents perform extremely well at home but are proven failures in asian conditions.

 

South Africa may have to keep picking a spinner (at home) to find/groom, even though an extra seamer might help them win games more easily at home.

 

India has to develop a pool of fast bowlers to do well in Eng, Sa and Aus. There's no other way. Whilst keeping their core strength in tact (2 terrific spinners in form who do the job day in and day out), they have to involve the pacers as much as they can, keep them in the game and let them develop, even if it looks like more spinners would make India win games easier at home. Anyway, none of our pacers (Shami, Umesh, Bhuvi, Ishant) have been a burden and they have contributed reasonably well to the overall bowling attack over the past 12-18 months.

 

 

[Sidhoni]

32 minutes ago, philcric said:

Missing the woods for the trees.

 

Different teams have to compromise / strategise / go out of their way to mould their teams and give themselves a better chance to succeed in conditions they generally struggle in.

 

For example, Aussies have been struggling with their batting in asian conditions for a long time, while absolutely bossing games at home. So, they have to take certain punts on particular kind of batsmen who look like they may do well in asian conditions than the incumbents, even though the incumbents perform extremely well at home but are proven failures in asian conditions.

 

South Africa may have to keep picking a spinner (at home) to find/groom, even though an extra seamer might help them win games more easily at home.

 

India has to develop a pool of fast bowlers to do well in Eng, Sa and Aus. There's no other way. Whilst keeping their core strength in tact (2 terrific spinners in form who do the job day in and day out), they have to involve the pacers as much as they can, keep them in the game and let them develop, even if it looks like more spinners would make India win games easier at home. Anyway, none of our pacers (Shami, Umesh, Bhuvi, Ishant) have been a burden and they have contributed reasonably well to the overall bowling attack over the past 12-18 months.

 

 

Agreed with everything you said. But I think this decision to play 3 pacers was more due to the grass on day 1 than anything else. People here claiming its Kohli's way of revolutionizing Indian cricket need to calm down. If he had gone with same strategy against NZ, England or South Africa then this claim would have had some substance.

 

Now just as a tactical decision only based on this match, this wasn't the best one. Who knows we might have enforced follow on with third spinner.

[G_B_]

Must be said bhuvi was not good on this deck...

 

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[rkt.india]

15 hours ago, Sidhoni said:

Agreed with everything you said. But I think this decision to play 3 pacers was more due to the grass on day 1 than anything else. People here claiming its Kohli's way of revolutionizing Indian cricket need to calm down. If he had gone with same strategy against NZ, England or South Africa then this claim would have had some substance.

 

Now just as a tactical decision only based on this match, this wasn't the best one. Who knows we might have enforced follow on with third spinner.

spinners barely did anything in the first innings. So can't see third inferior spinner making a difference.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

23 hours ago, New guy said:

Umesh yadav went wicketless in 7 innings out of 10 in English series but speed gun fanatics like you did.not make such threads a single time

 

I am sick of hypocrites like you constantly targeting bk blindly based on speed gun readings. You are willing to target bk based on one innings but ignored umesh for 7 innings without a wicket before he even bowled ok in 1 or 2. That is the height of double standards here 

No need to throw your toys out of your pram.BK does nothing if there is  no help from the conditions.In India he shouldnot even be in the squad.In places like ENG/NZ/SA is a top choice but in India he is a liablity.He bowls mostly gun barrel striaght,no pace,hardly any reverse.Nothing at all.

 

Players are selected on what they can do.Everyone knows that Umesh is more likely to reverse and take wickets than Bkooomar.

[kira]

11 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

No need to throw your toys out of your pram.BK does nothing if there is  no help from the conditions.In India he shouldnot even be in the squad.In places like ENG/NZ/SA is a top choice but in India he is a liablity.He bowls mostly gun barrel striaght,no pace,hardly any reverse.Nothing at all.

 

Players are selected on what they can do.Everyone knows that Umesh is more likely to reverse and take wickets than Bkooomar.

Really? Care to back that up with stats

[Sidhoni]

24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

spinners barely did anything in the first innings. So can't see third inferior spinner making a difference.

True. But workload would have been lesser for Ashwin and Jadeja in both innings.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

No need to throw your toys out of your pram.BK does nothing if there is  no help from the conditions.In India he shouldnot even be in the squad.In places like ENG/NZ/SA is a top choice but in India he is a liablity.He bowls mostly gun barrel striaght,no pace,hardly any reverse.Nothing at all.

 

Players are selected on what they can do.Everyone knows that Umesh is more likely to reverse and take wickets than Bkooomar.

Didn't Bhuvi take a 5-fer a couple of months ago in that alien foreign exotic ground - Eden Gardens?